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	<title>Comments on: Nick Clegg: &#8216;I don&#8217;t believe in God&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Kev Keegan</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1598#comment-205587</link>
		<dc:creator>Kev Keegan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;[Yo! Liverpool] Lib/Dem leader, I dont believe in God.: http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1598 
 
http://www... http://bit.ly/bxOPN3&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">[Yo! Liverpool] Lib/Dem leader, I dont believe in God.: <a href="http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1598" rel="nofollow">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1598</a> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.." rel="nofollow">http://www..</a>. <a href="http://bit.ly/bxOPN3" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/bxOPN3</a></span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: dd</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 01:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Muhamad</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1598#comment-95679</link>
		<dc:creator>Muhamad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just asserting my secularity, Don. People have a godgiven right to celebrate mediocrity, stupidity, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just asserting my secularity, Don. People have a godgiven right to celebrate mediocrity, stupidity, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1598#comment-95127</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony believes alright:

http://neoclassics.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony believes alright:</p>
<p><a href="http://neoclassics.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://neoclassics.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1598#comment-95118</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are you talking to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are you talking to?</p>
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		<title>By: Muhamad</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1598#comment-95109</link>
		<dc:creator>Muhamad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 12:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an atheist but...don&#039;t let that stop you from having delusions of grandeur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an atheist but&#8230;don&#8217;t let that stop you from having delusions of grandeur.</p>
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		<title>By: Ravi Naik</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1598#comment-95017</link>
		<dc:creator>Ravi Naik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If youâ€™re a Catholic, youâ€™re risking a lot, political calculus wise (but it works in places like Louisiana, ex: Bobby Jindal).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not necessarily. Don&#039;t forget that JFK - one of the most charismatic US presidents ever - was Catholic,  and I think since then, it hasn&#039;t been an issue. John Kerry is a Catholic, but his religion wasn&#039;t made a liability back in 2004, except for the Catholic church itself, which was pondering not giving him communion for his views on abortion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If youâ€™re a Catholic, youâ€™re risking a lot, political calculus wise (but it works in places like Louisiana, ex: Bobby Jindal).</p></blockquote>
<p>Not necessarily. Don&#8217;t forget that JFK &#8211; one of the most charismatic US presidents ever &#8211; was Catholic,  and I think since then, it hasn&#8217;t been an issue. John Kerry is a Catholic, but his religion wasn&#8217;t made a liability back in 2004, except for the Catholic church itself, which was pondering not giving him communion for his views on abortion.</p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1598#comment-94979</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Isnâ€™t it strange in this day and age you still have to be careful talking about what beliefs you donâ€™t have? I mean, itâ€™s not like weâ€™re living in Saudi Arabia now is it? Why should anyone fear being honest about not believing in god?&quot;

Or, it&#039;s not like you guys are living in the United States :)

In the US, the more you flaunt God, the more you can rest assured that God fearing folks will vote for you which is a sizable chunk of the population. Of course, it has to be a certain god though-- preferably of the Protestant and Baptist Christian tradition. If you&#039;re a Catholic, you&#039;re risking a lot, political calculus wise (but it works in places like Louisiana, ex: Bobby Jindal). If you&#039;re Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or whatever else, forget it. 

Also, Clegg might have tempered his comment out of fear of &quot;disrespecting&quot; religiously minded folks. &quot;Secularism&quot; also probably has something to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Isnâ€™t it strange in this day and age you still have to be careful talking about what beliefs you donâ€™t have? I mean, itâ€™s not like weâ€™re living in Saudi Arabia now is it? Why should anyone fear being honest about not believing in god?&#8221;</p>
<p>Or, it&#8217;s not like you guys are living in the United States <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In the US, the more you flaunt God, the more you can rest assured that God fearing folks will vote for you which is a sizable chunk of the population. Of course, it has to be a certain god though&#8211; preferably of the Protestant and Baptist Christian tradition. If you&#8217;re a Catholic, you&#8217;re risking a lot, political calculus wise (but it works in places like Louisiana, ex: Bobby Jindal). If you&#8217;re Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or whatever else, forget it. </p>
<p>Also, Clegg might have tempered his comment out of fear of &#8220;disrespecting&#8221; religiously minded folks. &#8220;Secularism&#8221; also probably has something to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Meral</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1598#comment-94974</link>
		<dc:creator>Meral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rohin No.13- actually 6 million voted Lib Dem in the last election, so all the people above who bother to write in to say they aren&#039;t bovvered ....doh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rohin No.13- actually 6 million voted Lib Dem in the last election, so all the people above who bother to write in to say they aren&#8217;t bovvered &#8230;.doh!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt M</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1598#comment-94971</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clement Attlee, according to Francis Beckett&#039;s biography, was an atheist. Though back in those days it probably wasn&#039;t considered good form to question someone about their religious beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clement Attlee, according to Francis Beckett&#8217;s biography, was an atheist. Though back in those days it probably wasn&#8217;t considered good form to question someone about their religious beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1598#comment-94970</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Random Guy,
As I said, it matters more to the atheists. But there&#039;s just chillin&#039; atheists and latent stalinist atheists.
I (probably) won&#039;t be voting liberal but I couldn&#039;t give a toss about the religion of my political representative, as long as he doesn&#039;t start making a big issue about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Random Guy,<br />
As I said, it matters more to the atheists. But there&#8217;s just chillin&#8217; atheists and latent stalinist atheists.<br />
I (probably) won&#8217;t be voting liberal but I couldn&#8217;t give a toss about the religion of my political representative, as long as he doesn&#8217;t start making a big issue about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1598#comment-94968</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt it will damage him much. People who would feel that not having a religious belief is a disqualification for office would be unlikely to vote LibDem anyway.

Is he actually the first UK party leader to admit (odd word, really) to being a non-theist? I suspect so, although I&#039;m sure there have been a few who kept their lack of faith quiet. At least it moves us away from the situation in the US, where candidates are more or less required to publicly kiss Hank&#039;s ass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDp7pkEcJVQ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt it will damage him much. People who would feel that not having a religious belief is a disqualification for office would be unlikely to vote LibDem anyway.</p>
<p>Is he actually the first UK party leader to admit (odd word, really) to being a non-theist? I suspect so, although I&#8217;m sure there have been a few who kept their lack of faith quiet. At least it moves us away from the situation in the US, where candidates are more or less required to publicly kiss Hank&#8217;s ass.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDp7pkEcJVQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDp7pkEcJVQ</a></p>
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		<title>By: Random Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1598#comment-94965</link>
		<dc:creator>Random Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>El Cid, I think its supposed to be a big deal because you don&#039;t get many politicians saying they are atheist straight out. And I guess the atheist voters will feel a bit more vindicated, and &#039;represented&#039; now that he came out about his faith...

Mind you, a question like that is quite barbed, as it will have an opposite effect on the (greater?) number of voters who do profess a belief in God...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Cid, I think its supposed to be a big deal because you don&#8217;t get many politicians saying they are atheist straight out. And I guess the atheist voters will feel a bit more vindicated, and &#8216;represented&#8217; now that he came out about his faith&#8230;</p>
<p>Mind you, a question like that is quite barbed, as it will have an opposite effect on the (greater?) number of voters who do profess a belief in God&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1598#comment-94961</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this matters more to the atheists than to everybody else. I don&#039;t give a shit about a person&#039;s religion. I care more about how people carry themselves and whether they respect others without kowtowing. So good for him for being straight, but on the other hand, so what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this matters more to the atheists than to everybody else. I don&#8217;t give a shit about a person&#8217;s religion. I care more about how people carry themselves and whether they respect others without kowtowing. So good for him for being straight, but on the other hand, so what?</p>
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		<title>By: Rohin</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1598#comment-94959</link>
		<dc:creator>Rohin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True Deep Singh. I just mentioned those as I imagine the religious zealots are the ones who are likely to threaten/criticise atheists in Gibs&#039; hypothetical situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True Deep Singh. I just mentioned those as I imagine the religious zealots are the ones who are likely to threaten/criticise atheists in Gibs&#8217; hypothetical situation.</p>
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		<title>By: funkg</title>
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		<dc:creator>funkg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point Jai,

I work with a predominantly Bangladeshi male clientele and whatever depths they may find their selves in whether its drugs, crime, homelessness they would NEVER disrespect their Islamic faith or state they have no belief in God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point Jai,</p>
<p>I work with a predominantly Bangladeshi male clientele and whatever depths they may find their selves in whether its drugs, crime, homelessness they would NEVER disrespect their Islamic faith or state they have no belief in God.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ceedee,

I see the ghost of Bill Hicks in your post. After his usual gig, he was approached by some angry, red necked guys, who said:

&quot;Hicks, we are Christians, and we really took exception to your act.&quot;

Hicks says:

&quot;Well, forgive me.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ceedee,</p>
<p>I see the ghost of Bill Hicks in your post. After his usual gig, he was approached by some angry, red necked guys, who said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Hicks, we are Christians, and we really took exception to your act.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hicks says:</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, forgive me.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ceedee</title>
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		<dc:creator>ceedee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a win : win situation!

Nick Clegg can respond to any criticism of his atheism with the request that they &quot;pray for him.&quot;

Master stroke!
:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a win : win situation!</p>
<p>Nick Clegg can respond to any criticism of his atheism with the request that they &#8220;pray for him.&#8221;</p>
<p>Master stroke!<br />
 <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: funkg</title>
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		<dc:creator>funkg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to point this out but its interesting how  its mainly the â€˜non ethnics on this posting  who state their selves as atheist.  This is a pattern familiar in the public services in big cities, with plenty of Africans/Carribeans and Asians expressing a belief and non ethnics who tend not to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to point this out but its interesting how  its mainly the â€˜non ethnics on this posting  who state their selves as atheist.  This is a pattern familiar in the public services in big cities, with plenty of Africans/Carribeans and Asians expressing a belief and non ethnics who tend not to.</p>
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		<title>By: Jai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;About two-thirds of the people with whom I significantly communicate are middle-class, free-thinker/atheist types. A self-selected and non-representative group. Yâ€™know, my peers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ditto for me, whether the &quot;peers&quot; are white or Indian. 

Personally I&#039;ve found the Pakistanis I&#039;ve met to be a little more devout (plenty of exceptions, though, and the same applies to black people), but the 2nd-generation Indians ? Hell no. They mostly tend to be a mixture of agnostics and atheists. Generally the former, at least in my own highly-subjective experience.

&lt;blockquote&gt;It would however be VERY brave for a young British Asian to admit that he is an atheist.....Unfortunately there are countless other Asians who would face a backlash from their communities - ranging from ostracism by at best to death threats at worst.....Too many Asians living in the UK donâ€™t seem to recognise that â€œfreedom of religionâ€ also means â€œfreedom from religionâ€ or â€œfreedom to give up relgionâ€.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

1. Absolutely huge generalisation and a massive false stereotype.

2. By &quot;Asian&quot;, Gibs, exactly which sections of the Asian population are you referring to ? What have been the backgrounds of the people you have personally had the greatest level of direct experience with ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>About two-thirds of the people with whom I significantly communicate are middle-class, free-thinker/atheist types. A self-selected and non-representative group. Yâ€™know, my peers.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ditto for me, whether the &#8220;peers&#8221; are white or Indian. </p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;ve found the Pakistanis I&#8217;ve met to be a little more devout (plenty of exceptions, though, and the same applies to black people), but the 2nd-generation Indians ? Hell no. They mostly tend to be a mixture of agnostics and atheists. Generally the former, at least in my own highly-subjective experience.</p>
<blockquote><p>It would however be VERY brave for a young British Asian to admit that he is an atheist&#8230;..Unfortunately there are countless other Asians who would face a backlash from their communities &#8211; ranging from ostracism by at best to death threats at worst&#8230;..Too many Asians living in the UK donâ€™t seem to recognise that â€œfreedom of religionâ€ also means â€œfreedom from religionâ€ or â€œfreedom to give up relgionâ€.</p></blockquote>
<p>1. Absolutely huge generalisation and a massive false stereotype.</p>
<p>2. By &#8220;Asian&#8221;, Gibs, exactly which sections of the Asian population are you referring to ? What have been the backgrounds of the people you have personally had the greatest level of direct experience with ?</p>
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