‘Morgoth’? Is that some evil location from Tolkien’s Middle Earth?

“Ho ho ho.”

Christmas reached early this year for Boyo.

Well, they certainly don’t encourage self-reporting!

Ho ho ho.

“Comparing per-capita figures, would USA be as high? And in a per-capita model, would rape be the same across socities if all those parameters remain equal?”

The US is actually in 9th place when considering per-capita model. Saudi Arabia well, it is in last place.

Comparing per-capita figures, would USA be as high? And in a per-capita model, would rape be the same across socities if all those parameters remain equal?

“Are you saying that reported rapes in all countries of the world will suddenly reach USA figures”

Well, very unlikely considering the US has 300 million people, and not many countries have that many people. But yes, I do believe that there is serious under-reporting in the non-Western world, in particular in societies where women are treated as second-rate citizens.

By the way, in terms of crime and social justice, I would not put the US in a pedestal, much to the contrary.

You are right, of course they do, I was reacting to Ismaaels asertion that it doesn’t happen in the Islamic World, when of course, human cultural groups usually exhibit the same problems. Supremicists of any stripe, Ismaael in this case, will try to state the opposite.

“There is also a fallacy in comparing numbers”

I think we can conclude that such reports tell you little about the real number, as well as how liberal or conservative views towards women affect them. This is reinforced at the bottom of the table: “Total recorded rapes. Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence”.

Another important thing to remember is that countries have different definitions of what constitutes rape. Many will not consider rape when a man is married to its victim, and others would only consider as such when there are four witnesses. All in all, rape and violence against women is a big problem in the West, no doubt about it. But the difference is that in other countries they can get away with it much easily.

“2) There is a fallacy in looking at rape figures across the world and concluding that the West has more rapes than other countries. These figures correspond to reported rape cases, not the actually number of rapes. See the difference?”

There is also a fallacy in comparing numbers to see where reported rapes are less and giving the impression that it’s not as serious of a problem in the West and/or. And mind you, the number of rapes in the West might be underreported as well– we don’t know whether they are or not.

P.S. Are people debating on how liberal a society is an indication of things like rape occurring? I’m asking because I haven’t read the entire thread.

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TCH:

“Get real. Sexual violence as a weapon and means of social control (Hudood Laws anyone?) is all too common in the Islamic World.”

This is what you think, that it happens all too often in the Islamic World. It happens here too. This is a post I am working on for PP.

Case Study: Ottoman Janisseries.
Throughout the 14th to the end of the 16th Centuries an elite military force that proved a fearsome enemy on the battlefield. Known for innovative tactics, including the early use of large numbers of very well made Damascus wheellock muskets, as well as matchlock ones.

However, by the end of the 1600s had fallen behind the Western Armies – the Janisseries refused to fire in volley or learn to manouver like the Spanish Tercios and then later the French Musketeers – result – rapid eclipse for the Ottoman Empire and a long retreat and transformation into the ‘sick man of europe’ of the 1800 and 1900′s.

Why is a good question.

“Like in the USA where a woman is raped every 90 seconds, oh hold on a minute that’s right everyone wears what they want, sleeps with whoever they want and watches as much pornography as they want in the land of the free, home of the brave and rape is higher in that country than practically anywhere else.”

Two points:

1) There are many states in America which are a very conservative. If there is a correlation between ‘liberal’ values and the number of rapes, then we need to distinguish between different states.

2) There is a fallacy in looking at rape figures across the world and concluding that the West has more rapes than other countries. These figures correspond to reported rape cases, not the actually number of rapes. See the difference?

Remember when Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in New York that Iran does not have homosexuals, only Americans have them? Exactly.