Sex! Scandal! Balls! Sania Mirza serves up more controversy


by Rohin
19th November, 2005 at 3:33 am    

In a fascinating update to studious Sunny’s previous post on the south Indian sex scandal, it looks like Indian tennis star Sania Mirza has comprehensively joined the fracas.

Sania Mirza, heroine to the masses and at least one of PP’s stalwart staff, has come out in support of Khushboo, the south Indian film star harassed by local politicians for her views on sex. You may remember, Sania (who turned 19 on Tuesday) has been no stranger to controversy throughout her fledgling career. The BBC reports

Indian tennis star Sania Mirza has strongly denied saying she supports pre-marital sex after remarks attributed to her sparked protests.

The Muslim player said her comments at a leadership summit in Delhi had been misquoted and that pre-marital sex was a sin Allah could not forgive. Mirza’s effigy was burned amid protests in her home state of Andhra Pradesh.

Remember previous controversies? First she had a fatwa against her skirt (tauba tauba), and then rumours of her and Lara Dutta getting friendly backstage on Kaun Banega Crorepati. Okay, I made one of those up.

Now she has stuck her oar into the water by saying that sex should be safe, whether it be inside or outside marriage. Sage advice you might think, but not in India.

She was merely giving some support to Khushboo – who comes from a Muslim background not far from Sania’s home in Hyderabad. But it was that second part that has ruffled more than a few feathers.

After being quoted out of context, the same loonie who said Sania’s skirt was a sin, Moulana Haseebul Hasan Siddiqui, is now talking about expelling her from the religion.

But even worse, there have been two days of protests against Sania’s comments, burning posters of her, beating pictures of her with sandals and chanting “Sania down down!” Perhaps that last one was a request from a frustrated fan (oh don’t roll your eyes at me, this is a post about sex).

And where will it all end? Maybe with a bit less Indian hypocrisy about sex?


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  1. SKye-Vee — on 19th November, 2005 at 4:34 am  

    ” I leapt at the chance to keep you folks abreast ”

    I saw no breast. There is me thinking you are saluting the Sun page 3 campaign. But no it’s politics. politics that is pretty sour in nature. Evan pickled perhaps. Long live the Page 3.

    “Fornication is a major sin in Islam. A Muslim man or woman can’t even mingle freely before marriage, not to talk about having sex. If a Muslim promotes fornication, he or she is considered expelled from Islam”

    If that is true I know a lot of muslims I have met fail that test. Both women and men. The bracketed statement is codswallop .

    Anyone know what codswallop actually is? I would like to know.

  2. Tim Worstall — on 19th November, 2005 at 10:48 am  

    Codswallop? World Wide Words is always a good place to go looking for this sort of thing:
    http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-cod1.htm

  3. Tanvir — on 19th November, 2005 at 11:18 am  

    What qualification does this Moulana guy have? I know he is the general secretary of the Sunni board, but was that a postion gained by politics or because he is a scholar in Islam? Would be interesting if anyone knew. Surely leaders are expected to be men or women of wisdom, not just people who have learnt vast amounts of the koran parrot fashion.

    The key bit of all this is the misunderstanding. They are accusing her of promoting sex before marriage, when she wasnt, and furthermore went on to deny it.

    The more ludicrous bit is when they say she is no longer a Muslim ! All Muslims, and anyone who can be bothered to do a minutes research would know the definition of a Muslim is one who believes in one God and that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the final messenger of God. Leaving Islam is discouraged greatly… so why are they trying to throw her out!?

    The other part of this issue that might be missed….is what was going through Sania’s head when she was making the comments?? Safe sex outside marriage is better than unsafe sex outside marriage…which makes sense; but i reckon common sense would have told her she might want to clarify it a bit (which she did after the ho-haa)… does anyone here reckon she buzzed off being a bit of a rebel, outspoken and off the publicity and protests since she probably doesnt care what these people think anyway??

  4. Siddharth — on 19th November, 2005 at 1:16 pm  

    More gratuitious posts with pics of Sania Mirza please!
    ;-D

  5. raz — on 19th November, 2005 at 1:28 pm  

    Reminds me of the idiots protesting the women’s marathon in Pakistan. Damn ignorant mullahs.

  6. Sunny — on 19th November, 2005 at 1:49 pm  

    Skye-Vee : sorry, I took out some of the quotes you mentioned in the article.

    Siddartha – we will oblige as much as we can ;) Rohin just needs any excuse really.

  7. El Cid — on 19th November, 2005 at 4:51 pm  

    So how far up the tennis rankings is this Indian eye candy (sorry, I meant professional female athlete)?
    No, I know, there is serious underlying issue here. But she is rather nice.

  8. neo — on 19th November, 2005 at 5:38 pm  

    Go Sania!!

    This girl has balls (don’t bother trying to make a joke about that, it’ll be crap).

  9. Bikhair — on 19th November, 2005 at 6:18 pm  

    Skye, vee

    “Fornication is a major sin in Islam. A Muslim man or woman can’t even mingle freely before marriage, not to talk about having sex. If a Muslim promotes fornication, he or she is considered expelled from Islam”

    Fornication is a major sin but so is kufr, and at least fornication can be forgiven. It isnt the worst thing you can do in Islam.

    In order for you to be a kafir you must pronouce kufr. Anyone who promotes fornication (I dont even know what that means) indeed is a fasiq (sinner), but a kafir, I dont know about that.

  10. Bikhair — on 19th November, 2005 at 6:19 pm  

    Pakistanis scare me. Indians scare me. Dammit, that whole region scares me.

  11. The Don — on 19th November, 2005 at 6:27 pm  

    Bikhair,

    ‘fornication can be forgiven’ You mean there is something fun that isn’t punishable by a gruesome death? you are getting soft.

  12. Abhijit — on 19th November, 2005 at 6:38 pm  

    I applaud her conviction and strength. keep going. she needs to hire a pr person though.
    abhijit

  13. raz — on 19th November, 2005 at 7:21 pm  

    She’s retracted it now

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4450734.stm

    “The Muslim player said her comments at a leadership summit in Delhi had been misquoted and that pre-marital sex was a sin Allah could not forgive”

  14. Bikhair — on 19th November, 2005 at 7:54 pm  

    The Don.

    There is nothing fun about fornication. Instead why not bike ride, or collect stamps.

    Raz,

    “…and that pre-marital sex was a sin Allah could not forgive”

    This chick needs to shut up. She is speaking out of ignorance and cant say what Allah (azawajal) will and will not forgive without suffient proof.

  15. The Don — on 19th November, 2005 at 8:26 pm  

    ‘There is nothing fun about fornication.’

    I must beg to differ. Actually, I do ride a bike. The two activities are not incompatible. I suppose in theory they could even be done simultaneously.

    ‘This chick needs to shut up.’ Who the hell are you to deny someone the right to express an intelligent opinion because it isn’t in line with your personal, and frankly tedious, interpretation of your special text?

    Apparently she has shut up. see raz’s post. Making a wild guess here, but was that motivated by fear of violence? well done. Score one for you side.

  16. Sunny — on 19th November, 2005 at 9:45 pm  

    There was no need for her to retract anything anyway. She never advocated sex before marriage in the first place. The bloody media took her comments out of context, and the chimpanzee imam decided he was going to try and gain some publicity again.

    Looks like advocating safe sex in India means someone out there is going to not only sue you, but also burn effigies of you. No wonder AIDS is getting out of control.

    What I want to know is, where are the Sania fans protesting against the protestors? Hell, if I was there, I’d start a counter-protest against the original protest :)

    Bikhair – fornication is actually great fun. Maybe not for everyone, but good fun nevertheless. Not quite the same as collecting stamps, mind you.

  17. neo — on 19th November, 2005 at 10:36 pm  

    Security for her at a recent tournament in Calcutta was stepped up after rumours that a radical Islamic group had threatened to stop her playing in the tournament unless she changed her on-court dress.

    At the Delhi summit, Mirza defended her dress saying that even if she wore a four-inch skirt, it was her decision and others should not have anything to do with it.

    Some groups have protested over her dress, calling it “un-Islamic”.

    ——————————————————————————————————

    grrrr

  18. Bikhair — on 20th November, 2005 at 2:48 am  

    The Don,

    I think she does need to shut up. If she is going to talk about Islam then she needs to bring her proof or else she is misleading the people which is a double punishment.

  19. Siddharth — on 20th November, 2005 at 3:09 am  

    Pakistanis scare me. Indians scare me. Dammit, that whole region scares me.

    Bikhair, why is it always people who are not Arabs the kaffirs? Are there any Arab kaffirs?

    And why is Sania Mirza breaking a religious war by wearing tennis sportswear when playing tennis?

  20. blue mountain — on 20th November, 2005 at 4:59 am  

    Pakistanis scare me. Indians scare me. Dammit, that whole region scares me.

    I would be interested to know who doesn’t scare you apart from sanitised “civilised” Europeans and North Americans

  21. Bruno Mota — on 20th November, 2005 at 7:29 am  

    Think what you will about premarital sex (I’m all for it, especially if Ms. Mirza were to be involved). The yahoos protesting her ‘controversial’ words have no business telling her what to do, say or wear. Period. The fact that she was offering some rather sensible advice only makes things worse.

  22. Bollywood Scum — on 20th November, 2005 at 1:58 pm  

    Re: Looks like advocating safe sex in India means someone out there is going to not only sue you, but also burn effigies of you. No wonder AIDS is getting out of control.

    Advocating safe sex, however, assumes that the means to practice it (condoms, etc) are fail safe. In India, where even ’100% vegetarian’ ghee has been found to contain recycled animal bones, there is little reason to trust that these will afford the protection which less promiscuity will offer.

  23. SKye-Vee — on 20th November, 2005 at 2:06 pm  

    “Skye-Vee : sorry, I took out some of the quotes you mentioned in the article.”

    No problems Sunny.

    Bikhair I was only comenting on a comment that had been removed. Thanks for the enlightenment though, and all those who added and corrected.

    To be honest. If you are not hurting anyone, you are free to do what you want. I aint gonna judge. Pre-marital sex, well if you take precautions and are fully aware of the consequences/risks and their impact on you, and your partner’s life, then who am I to question.

  24. Jai Singh — on 20th November, 2005 at 3:21 pm  

    To be absolutely honest, this is a massive case of double-standards on the part of the Islamic clerics involved and the protestors. Let me explain:

    There are a number of male Muslim actors in the Bollywood film industry who have appeared shirtless a number of times in recent years — one of them (Hindi film buffs will know exactly who I mean) has actually become notorious for this. Also, Fardeen Khan has been shown indulging in some full-on snogging in two of his most recent movies, and he’s not exactly the most conservative/orthodox guy in his real-life behaviour either.

    Surprise suprise, there has been no outcry from any Muslim clerics over any of this. Our friend Sania, however, wears some standard tennis dress and makes a well-founded comment about how people should behave responsibly in their pre-marital and marital lives, and all hell breaks loose. Do you see a pattern here ?

    Hell, even the recently re-colourised version of Mughal-e-Azab had Madhubala (a Muslim in real life) doing some courtersan-style dances in significantly less than a burqa or indeed a salwaar-kameez. Yet, as far as I know, there were not mass protests against her when the original film was released all those decades ago, and certainly no “proclamations” against her or effigy-burning etc.

    Funny how things change, and not necessarily in a good way either.

  25. Jai Singh — on 20th November, 2005 at 3:25 pm  

    *Fardeen Khan has been shown indulging in some full-on snogging in two of his most recent movies,

    Sorry, I meant his most recent movie — “Ek Khiladi Ek Haseena”, where he gets it on with Koena Mitra.

    Also Emraan Hashmi in “Murder” — an unusually explicit “fim noir” Bollywood flick which has also been a huge hit.

  26. Jeet — on 20th November, 2005 at 7:07 pm  

    Excuse me if I am mistaken. Am I correct is saying that Mr Bikhair is an Arab, and he is scared by the Indian sub-continent because it contains a few looneys?

    If so, i would like to just say, Kettle, please meet the Pot. Is it really so black?

  27. Jeet — on 20th November, 2005 at 7:08 pm  

    Siddharth

    You asked if there are any Arab Kaffirs. The answer is yes – plenty. For example, the Copts in Egypt. There are lots of Arab Kaffirs.

  28. El Cid — on 20th November, 2005 at 8:24 pm  

    I don’t wish to offend but could someone explain to me the difference between kaffir and, say, Paki or towelhead.
    According to the Wikipaedia:
    “The word kaffir (also caffre or kaffer) is a derogatory term used in South Africa to describe or refer to black Africans. It is a counterpart of the English-language word “nigger”.
    Because both the Muslim and White African usages are pejorative, the term kaffir is often considered to be a culturist and racist term.”

  29. Jai Singh — on 20th November, 2005 at 9:29 pm  

    “Kaffir” in the Islamic sense is used to describe someone who is a non-Muslim.

    I’m not entirely sure about the literal translation of “Kufr” — perhaps Ms Bikhair could explain ? — but I believe it is related to “Kaffir” in some way.

    As far as I know, it isn’t connected to the similar Afrikaans insult. I may be wrong here, of course; maybe there’s some historical connection I’m unaware of.

  30. Jai Singh — on 20th November, 2005 at 9:32 pm  

    And yes Kaffir is a derogatory term with regards to its interpretation and usage (if not in its literal translation), although it’s not literally an expletive.

  31. Bikhair — on 20th November, 2005 at 11:40 pm  

    Siddhartah,

    “Bikhair, why is it always people who are not Arabs the kaffirs? Are there any Arab kaffirs?”

    There are tons of Arab kafirs and there are even more Arabs who arent kafirs but who practice major kufr that has either taken them outside of the religion of Islam or has compromized their tawheed. Remember it was those lovely Arabs who tried to kill the Messenger of Allah (sallalahu alaihi wa salam) and in fact killed many many sahabah and sahabiyat.

    “And why is Sania Mirza breaking a religious war by wearing tennis sportswear when playing tennis?”

    Her dress is inappropriate for a Muslimah.

  32. Bikhair — on 20th November, 2005 at 11:43 pm  

    Blue moutain,

    “I would be interested to know who doesn’t scare you apart from sanitised “civilised” Europeans and North Americans.”

    Kafirs dont scare me really because I can see them a mile away but just imagine a Muslim, who looks like you, talks like you, prays like you but is the biggest munafiq, deviant, bidah merchant. They are a huge threat to someone who wants to follow the sunnah of Prophet Muhammed (sallalahu alaihi wa salam). Most Muslims will stray from Islam not for kufr (disbelief) but for bidah (innovation).

  33. Bikhair — on 20th November, 2005 at 11:49 pm  

    Jeet,

    “Excuse me if I am mistaken. Am I correct is saying that Mr Bikhair is an Arab, and he is scared by the Indian sub-continent because it contains a few looneys?”

    I am a non-Arab woman. The Indo-Pak Muslims do scare me. But the Arabs have less of an reason to be so jahil, even though they are (i.e.Egyptians) because at the very least the may have an easier time reading and reciting the Quran, though thier mastery of the language doesnt ganruntee understanding.

  34. Bikhair — on 21st November, 2005 at 12:00 am  

    Jai Singh,

    “I’m not entirely sure about the literal translation of “Kufr” — perhaps Ms Bikhair could explain ? — but I believe it is related to “Kaffir” in some way.”

    You are dealing with two different, completely different languages. Kufr literally means to cover or the be sheilded from. It essentially means disbelief. It doesnt have anything to do with race.

  35. Siddharth — on 21st November, 2005 at 12:09 am  

    Her dress is inappropriate for a Muslimah

    Thats your opinion against hers. As a Musilmah, it is up to her how she dresses and her desision is between her and her Creator. Given the Prophetic hadith of there being no compulsion in religion, Muslims should be the first to keep their opinions to themselves on these matters.

  36. gunduwhitegirl — on 21st November, 2005 at 12:13 am  

    Hm…

    Seems like this whole issue is being sensationalized by the media from all directions! Check this out:

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1549704,0008.htm

    Sania is quoted:

    “I would like to clearly say on record that I could not possibly justify pre-marital sex as it is a very big sin in Islam and one which I believe will not be forgiven by Allah,” Sania, a devout Muslim, said in the statement.

    “Attributing a view point that is totally contrary to what I believe in and what I stand for as a Muslim and as an Indian girl,”

    Is she distancing herself from this controversy now…

  37. Sunny — on 21st November, 2005 at 12:16 am  

    even though they are (i.e.Egyptians)
    Lol! Typical of you and righteous people like you Bikhair. Anyone who doesn’t have your world-view is instantly condemned. And here I was thinking only God was allowed to judge others. Obviously not though, Bikhair is handing out sentences faster than a texan judge hands out death sentences.

  38. Sunny — on 21st November, 2005 at 12:19 am  

    GWG – the word “distancing” is being used by the media here to create a story and a narrative when there isn’t really one. I can see through it.
    Sania said something quite sensible. Some media mis-quoted her and made their own judgements. Some reported it in full. The mullah decided to flog his anti-Sania horse again to gain publicity. Sania then clarifies what she said in the first place.

    People in the Indian media need to be flogged for getting the poor girl into constant trouble.

  39. Bikhair — on 21st November, 2005 at 3:03 am  

    Sunny,

    Only guilty people say you shouldnt judge.

    “Anyone who doesn’t have your world-view is instantly condemned.”

    It isnt my world view. It is the example, in regards to Muslim women, that the female companions of the Prophet left behind.

  40. Bikhair — on 21st November, 2005 at 3:05 am  

    Siddhartha,

    I have more love for a sinful Muslim who knows her sin than one who tries to make it halal.

  41. Sunny — on 21st November, 2005 at 3:20 am  

    I’m pretty sure there is something in the Qu’ran about leaving judging to Allah. That clearly went over your head.

    Anything you say is your world-view because it is an opinion based on your interpretation. Thinking otherwise is just naive.

  42. blue mountain — on 21st November, 2005 at 5:16 am  

    Post no. 28 ….Jeet

    Copts are not Arabs !!!! The hieglyphic script and the language of ancient Egypt could not have been deciphered without the help of Coptic language.

    It is only after the conquest of Egypt by Bedouins from Arabia that Copts have been rendered minority in their homeland and surrounded by the blandness of Islamic culture (now 10% of the population). They have forgotten their own language. Most of them speak Arabic now.

    Now you know the irony. Arabs complaining about European colonialisation which freed them from ferocious Turkish rule !!!!!

  43. blue mountain — on 21st November, 2005 at 5:40 am  

    Post no.33….Bikhair

    Kafirs dont scare me really because I can see them a mile away

    Great eyesight lady !!! Tell me the secret !!!!

    just imagine a Muslim, who looks like you, talks like you, prays like you but is the biggest munafiq, deviant, bidah merchant.

    What The Fuck????

    Most Muslims will stray from Islam not for kufr (disbelief) but for bidah (innovation).

    Are you sure ? But when will this happen ?

    The Indo-Pak Muslims do scare me. But the Arabs have less of an reason to be so jahil…..l

    Of course!!!! Islam is a religion for the Arabs by the Arabs …Arabs have divine right over Islam …See the way they treat Pakistani,Bangladeshi and Indian workers

  44. Bikhair — on 21st November, 2005 at 6:21 am  

    Blue Mountain,

    “Of course!!!! Islam is a religion for the Arabs by the Arabs …Arabs have divine right over Islam …See the way they treat Pakistani,Bangladeshi and Indian workers.”

    Can you be anymore retarded. Yes, Arabs (according to the Sharia, those whose native lanauge is Arabic) have an advantage over non Arabs because they speak Arabic which is the language of the Quran. If you believe all that rubbish you said above please tell me where I can refer to it in the text, i.e. Quran and authentic hadith. That is where Islam comes from. BTW it is piety that sets one apart.

  45. blue mountain — on 21st November, 2005 at 6:40 am  

    Qur’an 41:44

    “And if we had made it a Qur’an in a foreign tongue, they would certainly have said: If only its communication had been made clear? What! A foreign tongue and an Arab?”

  46. blue mountain — on 21st November, 2005 at 6:44 am  

    In another verse, God states:

    Qur’an 12:2

    “Surely we have revealed it — an Arabic Qur’an — that you may understand.”

  47. blue mountain — on 21st November, 2005 at 6:50 am  

    No prizes for guessing why Arabic is God’s favourite language

  48. Vikrant — on 21st November, 2005 at 9:53 am  

    Hehe i once got into a war-of-words at school with a Muslim guy over what Quran and Hadith really says. He told me since i hadnt read Quran in Arabic, i wasnt “qualified” to discuss it.

  49. Sunny — on 21st November, 2005 at 4:44 pm  

    The discussion over Arabic is futile. The Qu’ran is written in classic Arabic which is not really used in most of the Middle East, but rather taught as a language/ A bit like learning Sanskrit in India, no one really speaks but people who learn it puff out their chests a bit.

    Modern Arabic is fairly different to Qu’ranic Arabic. Bikhair is just trying to puff out her chest a bit.

  50. Siddharth — on 21st November, 2005 at 4:48 pm  

    Spot on Sunny.
    Classical Arabic or fus’ha is as widely used in Arabic-speaking countries as Elizabethan English is used in Engish speaking countries.

  51. Bikhair — on 21st November, 2005 at 5:13 pm  

    Vikrant,

    I agree, you arent qaulified to discuss the Quran in any meaningful way. I wouldnt take my knowledge of the Quran from you. I would however refer to ibn kathir. You may not take a study of the Quran seriously, perhaps because it isnt a Western thing, but Muslims should.

  52. Bikhair — on 21st November, 2005 at 5:13 pm  

    Fus’ha is spoken by many in the Arab world. Particularly in places like Yemen and the KSA.

  53. Siddharth — on 21st November, 2005 at 5:50 pm  

    Bikhair:
    What do you think of Muslims who cannot speak or read Arabic? Are they inferior to Arab Muslims in your opinion? Your opinion counts.

  54. Vikrant — on 21st November, 2005 at 6:16 pm  

    On the contrary Bikhair, i’ve studied Quran with impartially. Man i probably know more about Islam than my parents religion i.e Hinduism.

  55. Bikhair — on 21st November, 2005 at 7:54 pm  

    Sidd,

    “Bikhair:
    What do you think of Muslims who cannot speak or read Arabic?”

    Forget what I think what does the Sharia say.

    “Are they inferior to Arab Muslims in your opinion? Your opinion counts. ”

    I dont have opinions about Islamic matters. Muslims are to hear and obey. What does the Sharia say about who is inferior to who in Islam. Someone who is pious, fast, prays, is obedient to Allah, and loves Allah and His Messenger more than anyone or anything, that is superiority.

    Stop wasting my time child.

  56. Bikhair — on 21st November, 2005 at 8:01 pm  

    Blue Mountain,

    Dont be stupid. How does this:

    “And if we had made it a Qur’an in a foreign tongue, they would certainly have said: If only its communication had been made clear? What! A foreign tongue and an Arab?”

    prove this:

    “Arabs have divine right over Islam.”

    So you are telling me the Messenger of Allah (sallalahu alaihi wa salam) stands before those gross pagan Arabs, tells them that the Quran has been revealed in thier own language, yet they still disbelieve, and somehow this establishes thier “divine” right in Islam. The above ayat, which is completely butchered even in english, basically confirms what I said above.

    I would need to refer to a real scholar and ask if the previous revealed books, the taurat and the injeel, and the languages that they were revealed in had the same status during thier time, as Arabic does today. That is an excellent question.

  57. sonia — on 21st November, 2005 at 8:10 pm  

    bollocks to that reasoning – arabs have divine right in Islam. im sorry but how stupid can one get? some arabs might think so – but does that give them the right? Hello its this sort of reasoning that gives Islam its bad name – the religion is supposed to be universal and democratic.

    Phooey..

    frankly i find a lot of Muslims of South Asian origin have very funny ideas about Islam – usually very different to those floating about the Middle East. And let me add to that some people who’ve grown up in Britain have some rather strange ideas which they’ve picked up from some dodgy mullahs – you have to always question what you hear, and learn for yourself.

    Seek knowledge! Not hearsay…

  58. Rizwan — on 21st November, 2005 at 8:44 pm  

    Islam has its complete criteria about true muslim.. and only Allah only know who is true muslim.. if she is out of islam and mulla are saying acourding some given parameters…. so if she is out of islam we should not threat her for that

  59. Vikrant — on 22nd November, 2005 at 5:12 am  

    And the real scholar being Omar Bakri?

  60. Jai Singh — on 22nd November, 2005 at 11:12 am  

    As I said before, these clerics are being complete hypocrites in this matter. Refer to my posts number 25 & 26.

    *Please note I am not saying the gentlemen I mentioned in those posts should also be condemned by the Islamic clergy, but I’m just giving an example of the double-standards that are being deployed here.

    It’s basically because Sania’s a woman. Stating the obvious here, but it really is as simple as that. They want to make an example out of her.

  61. Abbas — on 22nd November, 2005 at 11:16 am  

    Praise to be Allah, the all hearing and all Knowing.

    In our religion Islam, we are told

    Let there be no compulsion in religion

    If Sania even said it, Allah does not give us the right to call her Non-Muslim
    I am from Pakistan, and just a regular Politics Holic. I am no fan of her, only reconize her. Unfortunatley in the subcontinent, wether it is in India or Pakistan, male dominated society still continues.

  62. sonia — on 22nd November, 2005 at 1:56 pm  

    now this Abbas person has made the crucial point which always gets left out! do we in this measly little world have the right to ‘judge’ anyone else – or say who’s a muslim or who isn’t? and you know what – in my book – that would be the biggest dodgy activity of all – playing judge – and isn’t it pretty much thinking you’re God’s right hand or sth like that.

  63. nukh — on 22nd November, 2005 at 4:14 pm  

    since sports stars and religion is the topic…please read the piece below from the financial times…and be ready to be sickened…after reading it…every pakistani should be ashamed of belonging to that blighted nation, nay an abomination of a nation…

    Give peace a sporting chance
    Published: November 18 2005 18:16 | Last updated: November 18 2005 18:16

    The Indian and Pakistani cricket teams have long been chummy, writes Simon Kuper. Used to playing each other around the world, the Pakistanis often visit the Indians’ hotel rooms for a chat. It’s even been known for a host to sneak a guest a glass of alcohol.

    The next time they meet they’ll have something to toast – the United Nations has named both teams “spokespersons for the international year of sport and physical education 2005”. This rewards their recent tours of each other’s countries, which have supposedly helped bring peace to the subcontinent. The United Nations and non-governmental organisations everywhere are seizing on a new idea – that sport can encourage peace and development. You see the offshoots everywhere now, from NGO workers dressed as condoms parading around African football matches, to Palestinian and Israeli kids being made to play football together.

    ….

    Find this article here

  64. Sunny — on 22nd November, 2005 at 4:21 pm  

    Eh? What exactly is so sickening about that article?

  65. nukh — on 22nd November, 2005 at 4:27 pm  

    sunny, if you for a second think that no pressure was involved in converting yousaf…then i have a palace to offer you for sale- the buckhingam palace.

  66. nukh — on 22nd November, 2005 at 4:57 pm  

    sunny, what was so offensive about my previous missive?
    i would appreciate your reply. and it would help me stay within norms the next time.

  67. Sunny — on 22nd November, 2005 at 5:01 pm  

    I don’t appreciate people coming here merely to troll religions. If you have a point about how people (Muslims, Hindus whatever) conduct themselves, fine. But your theories on the Qu’ran or Islam in general are downright trollish, annoying, and a waste of our database space.

    Secondly, I don’t know whether he was put under pressure or not. He says he wasn’t. That’s the end of that really.

  68. j0nz — on 22nd November, 2005 at 5:04 pm  

    Sunny you’re a bit trigger happy with the delete comments button today…

    What was you saying about Al-Jazeera ? You might not like it but it’s Freedom of the Press. And I remember agreeing with what Nukh was saying.

  69. j0nz — on 22nd November, 2005 at 5:11 pm  

    What a strange phenomenon when it is the Quran and the Sunnah that are supposed to bring Muslims together not the fact that they are Muslims.

    Only those stinking Hizbis, which England happens to be polluted with, would build upon being a Muslim.

    Sorry, but I aint gonna unify with no grave worshipping, saint loving, takfiri spewing, Hindu wanna-be Muslims.

    This didn’t get deleted though. Still on your thread. Not trollish by your definition then Sunny?!

    (And I’m not advocating you do delete it – I’m just pointing out you only delete comments when they’re insulting to Islam – not insulting towards Hindu or Humanist or whatever)

  70. Sunny — on 22nd November, 2005 at 5:18 pm  

    j0nz – There is a difference between trolling and bombing people. This aint LGF or HP as I said before. We could turn this into a cussing match of people slating each other’s religions, or we could responsibly discuss issues. I really don’t want to spend time telling people who badly they understand other religions because that would be a long exercise. Let’s stick to the topics at hand.

  71. The Don — on 22nd November, 2005 at 7:13 pm  

    whatever. Please don’t ban bikhair. she’s the most fun you can have with your Niqab on.

  72. sidhart — on 28th November, 2005 at 12:46 pm  

    no person can decide who will be out of religion only allah will decide on the last day who was rigth and who was wrong.Keep going sania

  73. Varun Sharma — on 3rd January, 2006 at 1:53 pm  

    Islam means purity and purity not by clothes but my mind and discipline. Inner karmic vibration should be control.
    Sufism follows harmony.Of course muslim girls are attractive beautiful sexy.

  74. Little Me — on 13th February, 2006 at 3:34 pm  

    Sania Mirza took Indian Tennis to the international level. Yes there were a few before her, but right now she is the only one, and she is definitely the only Indian female tennis player at the international level. Dear Muslims, be proud that this person is of your religion rather than comment on a silly thing like her dress. Dear Indians, be proud that she is such a national figure that she is relied upon for spreading information about prevention of AIDS through out the county rather than have a problem with she trying to spread the information to the ppl who have pre-martial sex. Who are the ppl who are likely to get and spread AIDS? The people with more than one sex partner. These are the people who have to be targeted for spreading the information. Infact, premarital sex is better than extra marital sex! It is agreed upon that pre-marital sex is not really the best thing to do. But people are doing it. So the info about safe sex must be spread, even to them. Why accuse Sania for all this!!!

  75. Little Me — on 13th February, 2006 at 3:40 pm  

    About throwing her out of her religion, I am sure she would be treated much better in any other religion in the world other than Islam. And by the way who is anyone to throw her out of some religion. The sin of denying somebody of their relision, is in no way comparable to the trivial things Sania is being accused of.

  76. Rashid — on 1st March, 2006 at 9:06 pm  

    i think sania is very nice person.but i little bit proud she is proud be a sportsship,and her bodies and look.but at the ame time i like her

  77. venugopal — on 9th March, 2006 at 11:16 am  

    you are a very very luckey womenm

  78. vinay — on 20th March, 2006 at 3:51 pm  

    In todays life Sania is that grl who has been to be proud for the india and we should not balme her for her figure

  79. Bea — on 20th March, 2006 at 6:15 pm  

    I can’t help but notice that a few PP contributors have no shame in objectifying women-so clichéd.

    A Muslim woman who is bold enough to be unorthodox and draw media’s attention to her self is bound to be controversial. Whilst some people will be happy for her success and admire her courage and strength, others will find reasons to bring her down and put her back in the box “where she belongs”.

    Just like anything else these days, this issue/non-issue is also blown out of proportions.
    Well, Ok so Sania mirza is not properly observing the rules of her religion. Her dress is inappropriate for a Muslimah. So what?
    In light of some remarks I have read about her figure and body parts, all I can say is that’s the very reason a Muslim woman is advised to cover herself and dress modestly so as not to draw attention to her body. But if Sania Mirza has chosen to accept all this as part of life and part of the game then so be it. It is her choice.

    The bottom line is-she is who she is. Full stop.
    Should we be going after her passing judgments? The answer is of course NO.
    Why?
    Because it is not up to us to judge anyone.
    I don’t really understand where these clerics get the authority to expel people from their religion when it’s clearly written in Quran:
    “When (the righteous) hear vain talk, they withdraw from it saying: ‘Our deeds are for us and yours for you; peace be on to you. We do not desire the way of the ignorant’. . .O Prophet (Muhammad), you cannot give guidance to whom you wish, it is God Who gives guidance to whom He pleases, and He is quite aware of those who are guided.” (28:55-56)

    As Muslims, we should just live and let live and let Allah decide who gets forgiveness.

  80. aaa — on 28th March, 2006 at 1:02 pm  

    hot

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