Comments on: Sending money ‘home’ is big business

By: Vikrant

Vikrant — Sun, 20 Nov 2005 01:31:14 +0000

Well with Midnights Children i think the problems were due to a character remniscent of Indira Gandhi in the books. The book also talks about Nehru’s probable illegitimate child… Blashphemy the Congressmen cried. Man but the book was a runawayhit in India. I think same goes with Moors Last Sigh and Bal Thackeray who was understandably angry at Rushdie for demonising him out of proportions. For many he is a Hitler but i think SS was a legitimate outlet of dissent by a people who have been turned into a minority in their own land and have been forced upon to adopt an alien culture.

By: Sajn

Sajn — Sat, 19 Nov 2005 23:42:26 +0000

Didn’t Rushdie also have problems in India over Midnight’s Children? And with Bal Thackeray over another book?

By: Vikrant

Vikrant — Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:20:11 +0000

1stly… Shiv Dharma has Muslim members also as the article states. So they arently a Hindutva group.

2nd.. these guys dont believe in Vedas nor Puranas , nor trimurti so they arent Hindus/Sanatanis by definition.

By: Sunny

Sunny — Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:57:52 +0000

Khedekar asserted that their embracing Shiv Dharma cannot be termed as conversion. “Hinduism is not a religion, it is a way of life,” he said. “So it will be wrong to say that we will be converting. We just want to form our religion.”

That’s what I meant. These guys ain’t becoming non-Hindu, they’re just rebelling against Brahminism.

By: Vikrant

Vikrant — Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:51:31 +0000

Shiv Dharma explicitly states that it is an anti-Brahminical religion with Jijabai and Shivaji as their main deities. They dont believe in Hindu Vedas, Trimurti… lets take their word for it… they arent Hindus.

By: Vikrant

Vikrant — Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:49:39 +0000

BTW The ban was put up by Congress/NCP govt. in the state not SS. SS is now like a tootless tiger.

By: Vikrant

Vikrant — Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:47:54 +0000

Care to read my link?

By: Sunny

Sunny — Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:46:16 +0000

those protests against Shivaji book were handiwork of Sambhaji Brigade which is NOT A HINDU ORGANISTAION Theyâ€™re followers of some new religion called â€œShiv Dharmaâ€.

I’m pretty sure the Shiv Sena were involved, otherwise there wouldn’t have been a ban. Anyway, if they call themselv Shiv Dharma, its a good chance they’re an ofshoot sect right? Who says they’re not Hindu?

Indian Muslims remain a captive of mullahs and imams for leadership.
Gross exaggeration and you’re assuming you know all Indian Muslims and how they think.

By: Vikrant

Vikrant — Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:19:42 +0000

2:20 am !! Sunny me boy do you ever sleep?

By: Vikrant

Vikrant — Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:18:04 +0000

Your mentioning of Muslim right implies that theres a Muslims left which sadly isnt the case. Indian Muslims remain a captive of mullahs and imams for leadership.

By: blue mountain

blue mountain — Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:17:32 +0000

This report is dubious. What the fuck France is doing in the list ? Why would it be one of the largest receipient of foreign remittances ? Considering the number of immigrants,remittances should flow out of France .

If France is way up there what prevents other industrialised nations like Germany, UK,Canada,Italy etc. from being there in the list ?

By: Vikrant

Vikrant — Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:14:40 +0000

http://www.the-week.com/24apr25/currentevents_article1.htm

for those of u lazy enuf not to copy and paste.

By: Vikrant

Vikrant — Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:13:53 +0000

Not that the Hindutva record is any good, they forced the Oxford PRess to not publish that book Shivaji last year, right?

You are dead wrong again dude… those protests against Shivaji book were handiwork of Sambhaji Brigade which is NOT A HINDU ORGANISTAION They’re followers of some new religion called “Shiv Dharma”.

check out this link:http://www.the-week.com/24apr25/currentevents_article1.htm

They also mention Laine somewhere in the middle.

By: blue mountain

blue mountain — Sat, 19 Nov 2005 05:46:10 +0000

If this is the record of so called “progressive” parties why blame bigots like Shiv Sena and VHP ?

By: blue mountain

blue mountain — Sat, 19 Nov 2005 05:42:59 +0000

I donâ€™t know why India was the first to ban the Satanic Verses, but I feel youâ€™re asking it in a rhetorical manner, so can you tell me?

This is because some educated muslim intellectuals informed their mullahs that if this book is allowed to remain in print the entire religion of Islam would be under threat. The mullah started road demonstrations and threatened Congress(I) that muslims wont vote for Congress and there would be a fatwa against it unless this book is banned. Congress(I) and Rajiv Gandhi panicked and capitulated as they did with Shah Bano case.The left parties actively supported Congress on banning of the book as they did with Tasleema nasreen’s books later.

By: blue mountain

blue mountain — Sat, 19 Nov 2005 05:14:21 +0000

Yeah i see that point, but if a country does not have the processing capacity, or the skills to use the raw material – it will be exported.

Not necessarily. In a globalised world you dont need to have your own skill to make money.Suppose an Indian or Chinese entrepreneur says to an African Government I will use your raw materials employ your people give you one third of my profits as taxes in addition to other taxes give African shareholders dividend but you try to give me access to markets…Will the Europeans open their markets for such African products?

This is what the fuss over agricultural subsidies about

By: Sunny

Sunny — Sat, 19 Nov 2005 02:20:58 +0000

Yes there are apologists in India, but considering there is a 127 million population of Muslims in India, you can imagine there would be a lot of unrest over a book that was essentially, unremarkable.

Not that the Hindutva record is any good, they forced the Oxford PRess to not publish that book Shivaji last year, right? The fact is, religious politics in India are still all over the place.

Everyone has the right to point fingers at each other, I’m not really going to take sides. The bloody commies are as bad as the Hindu right, which are as bad as the Muslim right (in India).

By: Rohin

Rohin — Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:12:37 +0000

Snore…Yes plenty of Indian politicians are tits, from all walks of life. The simple point I was making is that when it comes to groups with outlandish views, much of the cash comes from the NRI diaspora. I personally know of a few large student groups who have raised money in the UK purportedly for ‘good causes’ which has been sent to the VHP. Again, the VHP – like the RSS – have some good initiatives. But how do I know where my money is going when I send it to them? If we can’t trust Oxfam then how can we have faith that Indian politicians are going to use this money altruistically?

I don’t know why India was the first to ban the Satanic Verses, but I feel you’re asking it in a rhetorical manner, so can you tell me?

I could’ve included commies, Maoists, the LTTE etc in that list, but it wasn’t meant to be exhaustive. At no point did I equate Sudarshan with OBL.

By: Vikrant

Vikrant — Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:39:44 +0000

Who says Sudharsan knows maths… but equating him with likes of OBL and Imam Bukhari is stupid.

By: Vikrant

Vikrant — Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:37:26 +0000

O yea lets points out RSS’s rubbishness and laugh at them the silly barbarians… Its just the case of tongue shooting faster than their brains. But still they DO sometimes make valid points (remeber Shah Bano?
My point is why is RSS singled out for condemnation here. If JW’s selective condemnation of Islamists is xenophobia to many here, then isnt it exactly what your doing… If i condemn the Islamists or Leftists i guess i’m a some sort of Islamophobe.

Again dont lefties qualify for “tits” with their support for Iran and all the heck they raised up on the issue of Indo-American air exercises. Arent they responsible for wholescale demographic invasion of border districts of West Bengal and Assam.. lastly why was India the first country to ban Satanic Verses or Taslima Nasrin’s books.

Mister it you whos beating round the bush. Indian “secularists” are upto no good. Lets accept the fact that ALL Indian political parties have their own regional, religious or casteist agenda and move on.