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		<title>By: Credit Card Services</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1506#comment-90277</link>
		<dc:creator>Credit Card Services</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Credit Card Services...&lt;/strong&gt;

I couldn&#039;t understand some parts of this article, but it sounds interesting...</description>
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<p>I couldn&#8217;t understand some parts of this article, but it sounds interesting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Douglas:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Iâ€™ve being chortling - now thereâ€™s a good word - at your comment all day. I am truly, a bear of little brain.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nonsense Douglas- you are one of the most intelligent individuals I have come across (especially for a Scotchman).

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Iâ€™d have added Rumbold to the list, but heâ€™s joined the management!&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

While you&#039;re still in da street,keepin it real, innit. Safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Iâ€™ve being chortling &#8211; now thereâ€™s a good word &#8211; at your comment all day. I am truly, a bear of little brain.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Nonsense Douglas- you are one of the most intelligent individuals I have come across (especially for a Scotchman).</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Iâ€™d have added Rumbold to the list, but heâ€™s joined the management!&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>While you&#8217;re still in da street,keepin it real, innit. Safe.</p>
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		<title>By: KSingh</title>
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		<dc:creator>KSingh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Picture of Sikhs at the Remembrance event Ypres Belgium yesterday.


http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=32126&amp;st=0&amp;gopid=299658&amp;#entry299658</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Picture of Sikhs at the Remembrance event Ypres Belgium yesterday.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=32126&#038;st=0&#038;gopid=299658&#038;#entry299658" rel="nofollow">http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=32126&#038;st=0&#038;gopid=299658&#038;#entry299658</a></p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1506#comment-88694</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rumbold @ 74,

I&#039;ve being chortling - now there&#039;s a good word - at your comment all day. I am truly, a bear of little brain :-)

Sunny @ 77, I kinda knew that. Having hung around here for quite a while I actually agree with your policy.

Just for the record, I think commentators like Refresh and Jagdeep are worth their weight in gold to a site like this. I&#039;d have added Rumbold to the list, but he&#039;s joined the management!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rumbold @ 74,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve being chortling &#8211; now there&#8217;s a good word &#8211; at your comment all day. I am truly, a bear of little brain <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Sunny @ 77, I kinda knew that. Having hung around here for quite a while I actually agree with your policy.</p>
<p>Just for the record, I think commentators like Refresh and Jagdeep are worth their weight in gold to a site like this. I&#8217;d have added Rumbold to the list, but he&#8217;s joined the management!</p>
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		<title>By: Parvinder</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1506#comment-88691</link>
		<dc:creator>Parvinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. 44. Telefonica wrote: The most interesting part of the story is how the Sikh soldiers beheaded Bahadur Shah Zafar II and his immediate family, and then went to Bangla Sahib Gurdwara and offered the severed heads at the doors.

Jai and KSingh are both right. Bahadur Shar Zafar II was firstly not killed, he ended up in exile in Rangoon and secondly 3 of his sons were killed by the British.

Iâ€™m intrigued though to know which of Bahadur Shah Zafar II&#039;s sons were â€˜beheaded by Sikhsâ€™. 

Two of his sons, Zinat Mahal and Mirza Shah Abbas survived and shared with their fatherâ€™s exile in Rangoon.

And 2 other sons, Mirza Abdulla and Mirza Qwarsh were actually allowed to escape captivity by their own Sikh guards who felt sorry for the ill-fated princes. 
See:â€˜The Last Mughalâ€™ (2006), William Dalrymple, p423.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. 44. Telefonica wrote: The most interesting part of the story is how the Sikh soldiers beheaded Bahadur Shah Zafar II and his immediate family, and then went to Bangla Sahib Gurdwara and offered the severed heads at the doors.</p>
<p>Jai and KSingh are both right. Bahadur Shar Zafar II was firstly not killed, he ended up in exile in Rangoon and secondly 3 of his sons were killed by the British.</p>
<p>Iâ€™m intrigued though to know which of Bahadur Shah Zafar II&#8217;s sons were â€˜beheaded by Sikhsâ€™. </p>
<p>Two of his sons, Zinat Mahal and Mirza Shah Abbas survived and shared with their fatherâ€™s exile in Rangoon.</p>
<p>And 2 other sons, Mirza Abdulla and Mirza Qwarsh were actually allowed to escape captivity by their own Sikh guards who felt sorry for the ill-fated princes.<br />
See:â€˜The Last Mughalâ€™ (2006), William Dalrymple, p423.</p>
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		<title>By: Refresh</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1506#comment-88690</link>
		<dc:creator>Refresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on Sunny, censorship makes a better story.

We were just pulling together an advance party (Douglas, Me and on Douglas&#039; recommendation Jagdeep) to emasculate Morgoth.

But thinking about it, they&#039;ve both managed to do that all by themselves.

My interest in Morgoth lies in the fact that I am not convinced he is all he says he is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on Sunny, censorship makes a better story.</p>
<p>We were just pulling together an advance party (Douglas, Me and on Douglas&#8217; recommendation Jagdeep) to emasculate Morgoth.</p>
<p>But thinking about it, they&#8217;ve both managed to do that all by themselves.</p>
<p>My interest in Morgoth lies in the fact that I am not convinced he is all he says he is.</p>
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		<title>By: KSingh</title>
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		<dc:creator>KSingh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was actually Captain Hodson who killed the three princes. Bahadur Shah was exiled to Burma after a trial.
Sikh soldiers were not concerned about the restoration of the Mughal throne as this was effectively dead already. They also had no love for the Indian sepoys who had attacked Punjab along with the British in the Anglo Sikh wars 1845-49.

Picture of Hodson with the Princes.

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00routesdata/1800_1899/1857revolt/hodsoncaptures/hodsoncaptures.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was actually Captain Hodson who killed the three princes. Bahadur Shah was exiled to Burma after a trial.<br />
Sikh soldiers were not concerned about the restoration of the Mughal throne as this was effectively dead already. They also had no love for the Indian sepoys who had attacked Punjab along with the British in the Anglo Sikh wars 1845-49.</p>
<p>Picture of Hodson with the Princes.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00routesdata/1800_1899/1857revolt/hodsoncaptures/hodsoncaptures.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00routesdata/1800_1899/1857revolt/hodsoncaptures/hodsoncaptures.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Desi Italiana</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1506#comment-88687</link>
		<dc:creator>Desi Italiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, let&#039;s not forgot the what else Indian soldiers &quot;gave&quot;(unbeknownst to them)when the Brits experimented on Indian soldiers for chemical warfare:

http://italiandesi.wordpress.com/2007/09/02/one-of-britains-legacies-in-hindustan-using-indian-soldiers-as-guinea-pigs/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, let&#8217;s not forgot the what else Indian soldiers &#8220;gave&#8221;(unbeknownst to them)when the Brits experimented on Indian soldiers for chemical warfare:</p>
<p><a href="http://italiandesi.wordpress.com/2007/09/02/one-of-britains-legacies-in-hindustan-using-indian-soldiers-as-guinea-pigs/" rel="nofollow">http://italiandesi.wordpress.com/2007/09/02/one-of-britains-legacies-in-hindustan-using-indian-soldiers-as-guinea-pigs/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1506#comment-88676</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I have always thought of you as a considerate and reasonable human being. Now that you are being censored it is quite clear that you are a shape shifting son of evil. See what censorship does?&lt;/i&gt;

Douglas, Refresh: You guys are not censored. The problem is that you always end up replying to Muzumdar (and trolling by Morgoth) when I&#039;ve explicitly said plenty of times that he will be deleted.

It&#039;s not hard to understand - Muzumdar&#039;s post will be deleted (eventually) so don&#039;t reply to them. I&#039;m not going to edit posts here just to take out references to him. Hence I&#039;ve deleted whole posts. Next time please just avoid feeding the troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I have always thought of you as a considerate and reasonable human being. Now that you are being censored it is quite clear that you are a shape shifting son of evil. See what censorship does?</i></p>
<p>Douglas, Refresh: You guys are not censored. The problem is that you always end up replying to Muzumdar (and trolling by Morgoth) when I&#8217;ve explicitly said plenty of times that he will be deleted.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not hard to understand &#8211; Muzumdar&#8217;s post will be deleted (eventually) so don&#8217;t reply to them. I&#8217;m not going to edit posts here just to take out references to him. Hence I&#8217;ve deleted whole posts. Next time please just avoid feeding the troll.</p>
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		<title>By: Pablo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pablo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I immediately thought of all the other debts that Britain canâ€™t repay for other privileges that they were all too happy to take&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nicely said Amrita. Not repaying them, though, is all part of the British privelige.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I immediately thought of all the other debts that Britain canâ€™t repay for other privileges that they were all too happy to take</p></blockquote>
<p>Nicely said Amrita. Not repaying them, though, is all part of the British privelige.</p>
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		<title>By: Amrita</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1506#comment-88670</link>
		<dc:creator>Amrita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly enough I just finished Peter Clarke&#039;s The Last Thousand Days of the British Empire and came across a quote of Winston Churchill&#039;s in it - about the massive war debt that Britain had incurred for the &quot;privilege of defending India against the Japanese&quot;.
Having had family who served in the WW II, I immediately thought of all the other debts that Britain can&#039;t repay for other privileges that they were all too happy to take. I&#039;m glad someone remembered the ones who came before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly enough I just finished Peter Clarke&#8217;s The Last Thousand Days of the British Empire and came across a quote of Winston Churchill&#8217;s in it &#8211; about the massive war debt that Britain had incurred for the &#8220;privilege of defending India against the Japanese&#8221;.<br />
Having had family who served in the WW II, I immediately thought of all the other debts that Britain can&#8217;t repay for other privileges that they were all too happy to take. I&#8217;m glad someone remembered the ones who came before.</p>
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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1506#comment-88604</link>
		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sonia:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;yes rumbold has good intentions and hasnâ€™t spoilt anything for anyone, no need to be so mean.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks, I appreciate that.

Douglas:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;You do realise this makes me look like an even bigger idiot than I actually am?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No it &lt;strong&gt;doesn&#039;t&lt;/strong&gt; Douglas (heh).

Ashutosh:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;But donâ€™t you think it is a little too much to speculate that Britian could have lost WW2 and we would all be speaking German now had it not been for the Indian soldiers? If not for any other reason, for the reason that itâ€™s really without American and Russian help that Britian would probably have lost.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks for the compliments. I think that Indian troops did play a key role in the sense that the other allied armies would have been heavily overstreached without them. I think if you took America, Russia or India of the war there would have been serious problems. If you had taken France out, few would have noticed (excepting their courageous resistance fighters of course).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonia:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;yes rumbold has good intentions and hasnâ€™t spoilt anything for anyone, no need to be so mean.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks, I appreciate that.</p>
<p>Douglas:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;You do realise this makes me look like an even bigger idiot than I actually am?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>No it <strong>doesn&#8217;t</strong> Douglas (heh).</p>
<p>Ashutosh:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;But donâ€™t you think it is a little too much to speculate that Britian could have lost WW2 and we would all be speaking German now had it not been for the Indian soldiers? If not for any other reason, for the reason that itâ€™s really without American and Russian help that Britian would probably have lost.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks for the compliments. I think that Indian troops did play a key role in the sense that the other allied armies would have been heavily overstreached without them. I think if you took America, Russia or India of the war there would have been serious problems. If you had taken France out, few would have noticed (excepting their courageous resistance fighters of course).</p>
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		<title>By: Ashutosh</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1506#comment-88590</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashutosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great piece about forgotten heroes, and they deserve all the eulogies they can get. But don&#039;t you think it is a little too much to speculate that Britian could have lost WW2 and we would all be speaking German now had it not been for the Indian soldiers? If not for any other reason, for the reason that it&#039;s really without American and Russian help that Britian would probably have lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great piece about forgotten heroes, and they deserve all the eulogies they can get. But don&#8217;t you think it is a little too much to speculate that Britian could have lost WW2 and we would all be speaking German now had it not been for the Indian soldiers? If not for any other reason, for the reason that it&#8217;s really without American and Russian help that Britian would probably have lost.</p>
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		<title>By: Refresh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Refresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Douglas,

In fact that experience has given me an idea: how to change the balance of power in the blogging world.

I see a revolution brewing. In my head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas,</p>
<p>In fact that experience has given me an idea: how to change the balance of power in the blogging world.</p>
<p>I see a revolution brewing. In my head.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1506#comment-88569</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>El Cid,

Heh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>El Cid,</p>
<p>Heh!</p>
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		<title>By: El Cid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1506#comment-88568</link>
		<dc:creator>El Cid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny, please read 1984 again.

Dougie, I think you&#039;ll find &quot;Big Blogger&quot; is copyrighted from a previous thread. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny, please read 1984 again.</p>
<p>Dougie, I think you&#8217;ll find &#8220;Big Blogger&#8221; is copyrighted from a previous thread. <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Refresh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Refresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Douglas, you are too kind. I think.

I am glad you saw it - for a fleeting moment I wasn&#039;t sure I&#039;d written it.

It was really written to tell Mazumadar that I saw him as no more than a theatrical prop. So you could say I was being smug, perhaps that&#039;s why I enjoyed putting it together.

I am not too concerned it was deleted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas, you are too kind. I think.</p>
<p>I am glad you saw it &#8211; for a fleeting moment I wasn&#8217;t sure I&#8217;d written it.</p>
<p>It was really written to tell Mazumadar that I saw him as no more than a theatrical prop. So you could say I was being smug, perhaps that&#8217;s why I enjoyed putting it together.</p>
<p>I am not too concerned it was deleted.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1506#comment-88547</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 00:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Refresh,

I have always thought of you as a considerate and reasonable human being. Now that you are being censored it is quite clear that you are a shape shifting son of evil. See what censorship does?

I agreed with your deleted post. I think.  Perhaps not, is this what it&#039;s like to be in Room 101? You think you know what someone said, but, really you&#039;re not too sure?

Fooling around, apart, I do see you as a good guy. But if you are censored, your voice restricted, how am I ever going to get to know the real you?

Sunny, please read 1984 again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Refresh,</p>
<p>I have always thought of you as a considerate and reasonable human being. Now that you are being censored it is quite clear that you are a shape shifting son of evil. See what censorship does?</p>
<p>I agreed with your deleted post. I think.  Perhaps not, is this what it&#8217;s like to be in Room 101? You think you know what someone said, but, really you&#8217;re not too sure?</p>
<p>Fooling around, apart, I do see you as a good guy. But if you are censored, your voice restricted, how am I ever going to get to know the real you?</p>
<p>Sunny, please read 1984 again.</p>
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		<title>By: Refresh</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1506#comment-88545</link>
		<dc:creator>Refresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I give up. Especially since I&#039;d enjoyed writing that last post.

Yes Douglas, you and I can disagree in a civilised manner - I don&#039;t really know any other way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I give up. Especially since I&#8217;d enjoyed writing that last post.</p>
<p>Yes Douglas, you and I can disagree in a civilised manner &#8211; I don&#8217;t really know any other way.</p>
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		<title>By: Refresh</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1506#comment-88544</link>
		<dc:creator>Refresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been deleted. I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been deleted. I think.</p>
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