Uh oh William Hague…


by Sunny
31st October, 2007 at 10:30 am    

Has William Hague not been declaring certain donations/gifts? Unity at Ministry of Truth has uncovered something linked to Lord Ashcroft.


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  1. Rumbold — on 31st October, 2007 at 10:43 am  

    Maybe he will soon be corrupt enough to merit a post in the Labour cabinet.

  2. Morgoth — on 31st October, 2007 at 10:47 am  

    The reason all these leftists can’t stand Ashcroft is because he’s merely levelling the playing field. But hey, that’s the left for you – since they fail in the marketplace of ideas, they seek to force people to pay for them. c.f. the BBC and the EU, for example.

  3. Rumbold — on 31st October, 2007 at 11:08 am  

    I suppose that Unity wanted a second stab at Flying Lion, the first one, an attempt to have all Flying Lion donations classed as unacceptable, failing dismally after Dizzy pointed out that such donations were perfectly legal.

    http://www.ministryoftruth.org.uk/2007/10/30/something-whiffy-this-way-comes/

  4. Rumbold — on 31st October, 2007 at 11:14 am  

    ‘Tory Grandee lets other Tory Grandee use plane shock’. At least Hague did not accept a bribe to try and get foreign nationals a passport, sell peerages to make money for his party, change the law advertising cigarettes after a donation, give unions money in return for donations, etc.

  5. Leon — on 31st October, 2007 at 11:30 am  

    At least Hague did not accept a bribe to try and get foreign nationals a passport, sell peerages to make money for his party, change the law advertising cigarettes after a donation, give unions money in return for donations, etc.

    You’re either very young or have a short memory matey if you think Tories were never corrupt in power…

  6. Rumbold — on 31st October, 2007 at 11:35 am  

    Leon:

    “You’re either very young or have a short memory matey if you think Tories were never corrupt in power…”

    I did not say that there was never corruption in Tory ranks, more that this seems such a minor story compared to so many other examples of corruption in politics. Hague should (if it is true) get into trouble for this, but it is hardly a career-ending scandal, rather a lazy oversight.

  7. Morgoth — on 31st October, 2007 at 11:39 am  

    You’re either very young or have a short memory matey if you think Tories were never corrupt in power…

    There’s a general dictum in politics: politicians on the right are corrupt about sex, politicians on the left are corrupt about money.

    Nu-Labour have been by far and away the most corrupt government in history. Would you give Peter Mandelson a mortgage, for example?

  8. Leon — on 31st October, 2007 at 11:55 am  

    Cash for questions? Arms to Iraq?

  9. Morgoth — on 31st October, 2007 at 12:05 pm  

    Cash for questions? Arms to Iraq?

    Compared to Labour corruption, these are wee buns.

  10. sonia — on 31st October, 2007 at 12:06 pm  

    eh? i thought the general dictum was right or left (or circle), its always been sex power and money!

    after all politicians – whether on the right or left or wherever = have more in common with each other, than not.

  11. sonia — on 31st October, 2007 at 12:08 pm  

    well the man is obviously late in filing his “returns”

  12. ChrisC — on 31st October, 2007 at 12:11 pm  

    They are all scum of course.

    NuLab has taken it to new heights – esp Mandy not to mention the culture of lies fostered by Campbell – but they are all scum.

  13. Leon — on 31st October, 2007 at 12:36 pm  

    NuLab has taken it to new heights

    Which they couldn’t have done without the Tories laying 18 years of the foundation for them…

    Sonia nails it with her comment about them being in a class of themselves.

  14. Jagdeep — on 31st October, 2007 at 1:21 pm  

    Morgoth, I just had a good laugh clicking on your blog and glancing at your hilarious admiration for that racist and Jew-hating grebo occultist lunatic Aleister Crowley. It certainly explains alot, you beast.

  15. Kismet Hardy — on 31st October, 2007 at 1:57 pm  

    Hey lay off Morgoth. He cares for dead people

  16. Jagdeep — on 31st October, 2007 at 1:59 pm  

    He’s a necrophiliac?

  17. Leon — on 31st October, 2007 at 1:59 pm  

    :D

  18. Morgoth — on 31st October, 2007 at 2:22 pm  

    Morgoth, I just had a good laugh clicking on your blog and glancing at your hilarious admiration for that racist and Jew-hating grebo occultist lunatic Aleister Crowley. It certainly explains alot, you beast.

    I also have admiration for the works of Wagner and Strauss, and for the writings of Doris Lessing.

    Glad you stopped by. Hope you continue to stop by when I talk about my admiration for Hayek, Rand, and many other figures of importance.

  19. Morgoth — on 31st October, 2007 at 2:23 pm  

    Which they couldn’t have done without the Tories laying 18 years of the foundation for them…

    That’s a….stunning defense of Nu-Labour there, Leon. Who was it said they’d be “whiter-than-white”?

  20. Morgoth — on 31st October, 2007 at 2:25 pm  

    He’s a necrophiliac?

    I used to have a “Dead girls don’r say no!” Cradle of Filth top.

  21. Sunny — on 31st October, 2007 at 2:27 pm  

    Well done guys, you’re doing a good job of trying to score points from each other. Shame no one’s winning. Keep trying!

  22. Morgoth — on 31st October, 2007 at 2:31 pm  

    Well done guys, you’re doing a good job of trying to score points from each other. Shame no one’s winning. Keep trying!

    I was attempting to stay on topic, before I got sidetracked.

  23. Jagdeep — on 31st October, 2007 at 2:32 pm  

    I didn’t really stop by Morgoth, I just clicked and laughed. That anyone could write so admiringly about a moron half-wit like Alaister Crowley is funny, and so is the ‘I am a misanthrope, heed my turmoil!’ black mass of the blog. Oh mankind! You do not deserve my beauty! hahaha

  24. ZinZin — on 31st October, 2007 at 2:34 pm  

    “Well done guys, you’re doing a good job of trying to score points from each other. Shame no one’s winning. Keep trying!”

    You started it?

  25. Jagdeep — on 31st October, 2007 at 2:37 pm  

    I like William Hague. I like his cussed Yorkshire sense of humour. I like the speech he gave at the Conservatve party when he was 14 years old. I liked his election campaign which consisted of standing on beer crates holding a pound coin and intoning in his Yorkshire drone, ‘Save the pound! Save the pound!’ I like his male pattern baldness. These are all things I like about William Hague. I think he’d make a better Prime Minister than ‘Dave’ Cameron.

  26. Morgoth — on 31st October, 2007 at 2:38 pm  

    Alaister?

    Incidentally, Cameron is now saying if the Conservatives get in they’ll introduce legislation to end the block funding of the Labour Party by unions, and also will allow union subscriptions to be used by different political parties.

  27. Jai — on 31st October, 2007 at 2:40 pm  

    Hope you continue to stop by when I talk about my admiration for Hayek,

    I have a great deal of admiration for Hayek too.

    She was great in that notorious dance sequence in From Dusk Till Dawn. Impressive hips.

  28. Kismet Hardy — on 31st October, 2007 at 3:16 pm  

    There really is nothing interesting to say about William Hague, is there?

  29. Jagdeep — on 31st October, 2007 at 3:34 pm  

    He’s got a Welsh wife. That’s quite interesting.

  30. Jai — on 31st October, 2007 at 3:40 pm  

    Not as interesting as Salma Hayak’s hips.

    Although Welsh Rarebit is quite interesting. It’s not just cheese-on-toast, people !

    You know what would be really interesting ? Discussing what the freakin’ hell actually happened at the very end of the Sopranos finale.

  31. Jagdeep — on 31st October, 2007 at 3:42 pm  

    I think he got whacked.

  32. Jai — on 31st October, 2007 at 3:47 pm  

    Me too. I think the “RIP” after the end-credits gave it away.

    I suspect he got killed either before Meadow came rushing in through the door, or just as she arrived.

  33. Jagdeep — on 31st October, 2007 at 3:55 pm  

    It was a good ending because it left things in the air. He might have got whacked, but then again, he might not have. If he got whacked it might be too obvious and neat. The whole series was about how men can do evil things and they don’t neseccarily pay a price for it. The morality was all grey. You started empathising with violent murderers and criminals. So I think David Chase was throwing it back on the audience. He was saying ‘So how do you think it ends? Do you want Tony to get whacked for all the sins he has commited? Or do you want him to survive because he loves his family, and you empathise with him?’

    So he makes the audience complicit in Tony’s fate by making the viewer project or imagine the ending and question your understanding of evil and empathy for this character and his family for whom you care, even though they are all guilty of great crimes, murders, and sins. You have to reflect on it all. And that’s why The Sopranos is a work of genius.

  34. Jai — on 31st October, 2007 at 4:34 pm  

    I agree that it was very cleverly done (the ambiguity of the ending’s proved very controversial though, including in the US).

    There are basically 2 main theories:

    1. He got whacked, as we both think.
    2. He didn’t get killed, as the final scene was actually an insight into Tony’s own state of mind — the constant apprehensiveness, paranoia, not necessarily knowing what’s about to happen next, feeling of being surrounded by potential killers on all sides, etc etc.

    If it was the latter than it really was ingeniously done, I have to admit. The whole build-up and mounting tension (because we know the series is about to end in a couple of minutes and that “something big” may be about to happen) reflects how Tony sees the world, and the reason for his panic attacks. Speaking of which, some authors/critics have speculated that the sudden blackout was Tony actually having a sudden panic attack.

    I found the ambiguity frustrating when I first saw it, but the more I think about it, the more brilliantly done I think it was.

    But I still think he got killed. Hell, maybe the whole family did — possibly Meadow too as she came in through the door, or maybe she was the sole survivor.

    Diabolically clever ending.

  35. Jagdeep — on 31st October, 2007 at 4:50 pm  

    I’m not sure that I think he got whacked Jai. I just said that on the spur of the moment.

    If you want Tony to get whacked, David Chase is saying to you — why? Do you think that would be ‘justice’? You want neat resolution and neat simple morality where the ‘bad guy’ gets what he deserves? So why did you empathise and care for him all this time? After all that moral complexity and murk, you want this to end like a simplistic morality tale?

    On the other hand, if he does not get whacked, you reflect on your own emotional complicity, and the darkness of a world in which there’s no justice or resolution at all, no matter how much evil is done by an individual. The universe and the natural law of men is bleak. And you have tacitly wanted it to be so, by being emotionally involved in this character.

    Or there could be a third thing that David Chase does. Something more symbolic than any other interpretation. And that is, the viewer gets whacked. All the time you’ve been watching the series like a voyeur. Tony and Bobby have a conversation in one of the last episodes about what it’s like to get whacked. You don’t feel a thing. You don’t know it’s happening. It’s just bada-bing, the lights go out. You’ve watched the whole series, you’ve even been morbidly entertained by all those killings and violence. So you’re standing there as the viewer, watching Tony eating his french fries, waiting for Meadow to join them. You’re standing there watching. The door opens, he looks up, and boom, from behind you, it goes black, you don’t feel a thing, you don’t even know it’s happening, you’ve just been whacked.

    The End.

  36. Leon — on 31st October, 2007 at 4:53 pm  

    I thought it was a bit crap…

    She was great in that notorious dance sequence in From Dusk Till Dawn. Impressive hips.

    You were watching her hips?! :D

    Yeah Sunny, I think we need a mid week open thread going by the blatant derail we’re engaged in here!

  37. Jai — on 31st October, 2007 at 6:53 pm  

    Leon,

    You were watching her hips?!

    Well….er….my eyes were wandering all over the place, but I think her hips are particularly awe-inspiring. Apparently she has the “ideal” waist/hip ratio in terms of what pushes male buttons.

    Now before anyone turns up shaking their fist and hurling allegations of objectification, exotification, and other deadly sins that some of our more politically-correct American cousins are fond of accusing others of, let’s move onto more serious matters, as follows…..

    Jagdeep,

    Or there could be a third thing that David Chase does. Something more symbolic than any other interpretation. And that is, the viewer gets whacked…..Tony and Bobby have a conversation in one of the last episodes about what it’s like to get whacked.

    Yeah I’ve read that interpretation in one of the online debates that the Sopranos Wikipedia page links to. Fascinating idea — that it’s actually the viewer who’s been killed by one of the shady-looking characters that the camera had been focusing on.

    (What happened to Christopher was quite shocking too — I’d previously expected the finale to depict matters really coming to a head between him and Tony, with Chris being the one who survives. Maybe that would’ve been too predictable).

    By the way, since El Cid mentioned the late-lamented Jay Singh (who everyone here suspects Sunny of whacking), I wrote a sort-of parody of his “removal” on the last weekend thread.

    http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1478#comment-86475

    Amateurish attempt, I know, but I was hoping that Picklers who are viewers of The Sopranos would have picked up on what inspired it ;)

    Yeah Sunny, I think we need a mid week open thread going by the blatant derail we’re engaged in here!

    Apologies to Sunny for the threadjack.

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