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		<title>By: sunny came home</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1463#comment-89602</link>
		<dc:creator>sunny came home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;sunny came home...&lt;/strong&gt;

I don\&#039;t understand it....</description>
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<p>I don\&#8217;t understand it&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Popular Science</title>
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		<dc:creator>Popular Science</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Popular Science...&lt;/strong&gt;

I couldn&#039;t understand some parts of this article, but it sounds interesting...</description>
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<p>I couldn&#8217;t understand some parts of this article, but it sounds interesting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Crazy Gift Ideas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crazy Gift Ideas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Crazy Gift Ideas...&lt;/strong&gt;

I couldn&#039;t understand some parts of this article, but it sounds interesting...</description>
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<p>I couldn&#8217;t understand some parts of this article, but it sounds interesting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>45. Douglas, absolutely. you are a man after my own heart.</description>
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		<title>By: James O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1463#comment-85335</link>
		<dc:creator>James O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Don &amp; Sunny.

It is linked to the chaos in Pakistan,,,, bomb goes off kills hundreds,,,, conveniently it is Osama Bin Laden!!! 
YES here we go again.
It is repetitive i know!
The Pakistani army puts in more orders for US arms and equipment based on this new threat,,, the same old companies make more money and it is all done on credit at the expense of the American people.

I am not going on about 9/11 The Big Conspiracy, i am saying watch a building come down,,, if you decide it was demolished then you can detach yourself from it all and then explore the spiritual side of life and why we are here,,, and examine the spiritual futility of the way the power of those who bring about these events is misused rather than be a part of the BIG GAME! 
when all these killers and organisers of killing stand before The Universal Creator - They stand bare of all they had here in this life but they take with them the debt for the accumulated pain they cause in their lifetimes!

All these young Islamic fighters and suicide bombers are all CAUGHT UP in The Big Game! as are the young American soldiers who see the military as a way out of poverty and a future collage education IF they SURVIVE the conflict. (where that applies)
As are the Colombian and Chilien blackwater security guys fighting for $40 a day whilst their American security Guards earn $1000 a day for the same job,,, but blackwater stiil bills the Iraqi government the full amount as if they were Americans,,, its all a big game for those who pull the strings,,, suggesting i move on is rather petty.
Karachi or New York its all the same,, politicians lying and the politicised religions exploiting it!!!
Shirley Temple</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Don &amp; Sunny.</p>
<p>It is linked to the chaos in Pakistan,,,, bomb goes off kills hundreds,,,, conveniently it is Osama Bin Laden!!!<br />
YES here we go again.<br />
It is repetitive i know!<br />
The Pakistani army puts in more orders for US arms and equipment based on this new threat,,, the same old companies make more money and it is all done on credit at the expense of the American people.</p>
<p>I am not going on about 9/11 The Big Conspiracy, i am saying watch a building come down,,, if you decide it was demolished then you can detach yourself from it all and then explore the spiritual side of life and why we are here,,, and examine the spiritual futility of the way the power of those who bring about these events is misused rather than be a part of the BIG GAME!<br />
when all these killers and organisers of killing stand before The Universal Creator &#8211; They stand bare of all they had here in this life but they take with them the debt for the accumulated pain they cause in their lifetimes!</p>
<p>All these young Islamic fighters and suicide bombers are all CAUGHT UP in The Big Game! as are the young American soldiers who see the military as a way out of poverty and a future collage education IF they SURVIVE the conflict. (where that applies)<br />
As are the Colombian and Chilien blackwater security guys fighting for $40 a day whilst their American security Guards earn $1000 a day for the same job,,, but blackwater stiil bills the Iraqi government the full amount as if they were Americans,,, its all a big game for those who pull the strings,,, suggesting i move on is rather petty.<br />
Karachi or New York its all the same,, politicians lying and the politicised religions exploiting it!!!<br />
Shirley Temple</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1463#comment-85331</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;when all the evidence points to it all being a conspiracy by people in power to bring about the conflict over oil in Iraq and Iran and to subjugate&lt;/i&gt;

Oh jeez... here we go again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>when all the evidence points to it all being a conspiracy by people in power to bring about the conflict over oil in Iraq and Iran and to subjugate</i></p>
<p>Oh jeez&#8230; here we go again.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

I&#039;m just a commenter here, but I really don&#039;t think you&#039;ve found the right site.

Nothing personal, but we tend not to do that kind of stuff here. There are places that do, and I wish you luck in finding them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just a commenter here, but I really don&#8217;t think you&#8217;ve found the right site.</p>
<p>Nothing personal, but we tend not to do that kind of stuff here. There are places that do, and I wish you luck in finding them.</p>
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		<title>By: James O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1463#comment-85324</link>
		<dc:creator>James O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Zubair.

Zubair......But, James were you not the same person who earlier in this blog was recommending that in these times of moral chaos we listen to God for guidance? It seems to me that there is a close relationship between the paranoiac symptoms of those who are all too quick to believe in conspiracy theories and their extreme readiness to believe in literalism interpretations of the word of God, that is they are flip sides of the same lazy and backward reluctance to think critically about the difficult issues facing the world today.

Hi Zubair it is interesting that to describe who you think i am you use the words paranoiac/conspiracy theorist and then judge me/imply that i am lazy and backward thinking (No Offense Taken!)
And then you mock me for having said in a previous post (Where Have All My Post GONE???) for saying that god is there to guide us through these confusing and hostile times.
god IS THERE for the individuals who look for guidance, if the individual gives it a go,,,, and as god knows that we must live in this world then god has no issue/problem with a person looking at World Trade Centre Building 7 come down and realising that the politicians have lied as to HOW it came down!

As i said Zubair i am either correct - IT WAS DEMOLISHED
or i am Shirley Temple and it fell down.

why would god want me to not believe what my eyes show me???

just go on the Internet and watch it come down,,,, it is not just Americans who have been deceived regarding this IT IS THE WHOLE WORLD!!!
it induced triumphalism in Muslims convincing the young gullible that a war with Christians/Americans/The West is desirable and winnable,,,, we are all losers regarding this whole sham excuse for conflict!!!!

IT IS EASY TO PUT ME DOWN Zubair but shouldn&#039;t you look at World Trade Centre Building 7 come down and then tell me your opinion on just that,,, Not the towers or the pentagon attacks!!!! they are a distraction in THIS exchange of VIEWS,,,,,, if you want a good reference point to see WTCB7 come down Google the film - 9/11 Ripple Effect.
the religions and the politicians of the world know that 9/11 is not what it seems but it suits all of them to remain quiet in their positions of power and privilege as to lose their power etc would mean they are like flotsam in the storm like the ordinary people of the world.

BELOW is a pasted post that i made on another site some months back after some Muslims gloated in reply to a post i had made,,,, it is a challenge to Muslims to look for the TRUTH of 9/11 as i consider Muslims to be victims of the 9/11 insurance scam as much as i do the Americans. 
James 

In the past few days a site that i posted on has led to me receiving a
couple of emails from Muslims laughing and gloating over 9/11 saying how
great Allah was in allowing Muslims to bring about 9/11 etc etc etc.

I thought that my reply to them may be of interest to you,,, any Muslims
on this site who are not identifiable by their profiles can reply if
they do so in a proper manner.

HERE IS MY REPLY TO THEM.

I suggest that you watch the film/video 9/11 Ripple Effect

Americans are of their own freewill trying to get to the TRUTH of what happened on that day. 
Muslims seem to be revelling and rejoicing in the
statement Holy Muslim martyrs killed all those people on 9/11 when all the evidence points to it all being a conspiracy by people in power to bring about the conflict over oil in Iraq and Iran and to subjugate
Afghanistan to get to the oil and gas in Kazakhstan.

It is obvious to all that certain American interest have profited by this to the tune of Billions of dollars but so have the Saudi and Kuwaiti royal families and all those around them, in fact they have made more money. The bush family and the Saudi and Kuwaiti royal family&#039;s and Bin Laden family&#039;s are business partners and work together. A broken Iraq and subjugated Iran profits Saudi Arabia financially and also makes Saudi Arabia Top Dog in the middle east and in the Muslim world as a whole. Top Dog Rules.- Sunni Over Shia&#039;s

Americans try to find out the truth and Muslims dance on the graves as Muslim children and baby&#039;s die in their thousands in Iraq some by the actions of US forces and many by the actions of Muslim On Muslim.

The fact that many Americans are challenging their government shows they have freedom of speech and thought and action, the fact that Muslims
blindly accept what they are told shows they have no freedom of thought,,,, What They Are Told IS What They Believe. Puppets without strings.

Politics and the politicised religions are not able to hide anything from god, and god stepped back and allowed 9/11 knowing that those in power in America and those in power in the Muslim world would bring
about this conflict of their own god given gift of freewill.

I will only reply to those who have watched the video or listened to the interview as it is pointless spending my time trying to talk with people
who do not have enquiring minds so that they can look for the truth.

Gloaters and Grave Dancers will be ignored!!!

James
(Zubair - I never got a single reply,,, The Gloaters and Grave dancers failed to rise to the challenge/truth!!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Zubair.</p>
<p>Zubair&#8230;&#8230;But, James were you not the same person who earlier in this blog was recommending that in these times of moral chaos we listen to God for guidance? It seems to me that there is a close relationship between the paranoiac symptoms of those who are all too quick to believe in conspiracy theories and their extreme readiness to believe in literalism interpretations of the word of God, that is they are flip sides of the same lazy and backward reluctance to think critically about the difficult issues facing the world today.</p>
<p>Hi Zubair it is interesting that to describe who you think i am you use the words paranoiac/conspiracy theorist and then judge me/imply that i am lazy and backward thinking (No Offense Taken!)<br />
And then you mock me for having said in a previous post (Where Have All My Post GONE???) for saying that god is there to guide us through these confusing and hostile times.<br />
god IS THERE for the individuals who look for guidance, if the individual gives it a go,,,, and as god knows that we must live in this world then god has no issue/problem with a person looking at World Trade Centre Building 7 come down and realising that the politicians have lied as to HOW it came down!</p>
<p>As i said Zubair i am either correct &#8211; IT WAS DEMOLISHED<br />
or i am Shirley Temple and it fell down.</p>
<p>why would god want me to not believe what my eyes show me???</p>
<p>just go on the Internet and watch it come down,,,, it is not just Americans who have been deceived regarding this IT IS THE WHOLE WORLD!!!<br />
it induced triumphalism in Muslims convincing the young gullible that a war with Christians/Americans/The West is desirable and winnable,,,, we are all losers regarding this whole sham excuse for conflict!!!!</p>
<p>IT IS EASY TO PUT ME DOWN Zubair but shouldn&#8217;t you look at World Trade Centre Building 7 come down and then tell me your opinion on just that,,, Not the towers or the pentagon attacks!!!! they are a distraction in THIS exchange of VIEWS,,,,,, if you want a good reference point to see WTCB7 come down Google the film &#8211; 9/11 Ripple Effect.<br />
the religions and the politicians of the world know that 9/11 is not what it seems but it suits all of them to remain quiet in their positions of power and privilege as to lose their power etc would mean they are like flotsam in the storm like the ordinary people of the world.</p>
<p>BELOW is a pasted post that i made on another site some months back after some Muslims gloated in reply to a post i had made,,,, it is a challenge to Muslims to look for the TRUTH of 9/11 as i consider Muslims to be victims of the 9/11 insurance scam as much as i do the Americans.<br />
James </p>
<p>In the past few days a site that i posted on has led to me receiving a<br />
couple of emails from Muslims laughing and gloating over 9/11 saying how<br />
great Allah was in allowing Muslims to bring about 9/11 etc etc etc.</p>
<p>I thought that my reply to them may be of interest to you,,, any Muslims<br />
on this site who are not identifiable by their profiles can reply if<br />
they do so in a proper manner.</p>
<p>HERE IS MY REPLY TO THEM.</p>
<p>I suggest that you watch the film/video 9/11 Ripple Effect</p>
<p>Americans are of their own freewill trying to get to the TRUTH of what happened on that day.<br />
Muslims seem to be revelling and rejoicing in the<br />
statement Holy Muslim martyrs killed all those people on 9/11 when all the evidence points to it all being a conspiracy by people in power to bring about the conflict over oil in Iraq and Iran and to subjugate<br />
Afghanistan to get to the oil and gas in Kazakhstan.</p>
<p>It is obvious to all that certain American interest have profited by this to the tune of Billions of dollars but so have the Saudi and Kuwaiti royal families and all those around them, in fact they have made more money. The bush family and the Saudi and Kuwaiti royal family&#8217;s and Bin Laden family&#8217;s are business partners and work together. A broken Iraq and subjugated Iran profits Saudi Arabia financially and also makes Saudi Arabia Top Dog in the middle east and in the Muslim world as a whole. Top Dog Rules.- Sunni Over Shia&#8217;s</p>
<p>Americans try to find out the truth and Muslims dance on the graves as Muslim children and baby&#8217;s die in their thousands in Iraq some by the actions of US forces and many by the actions of Muslim On Muslim.</p>
<p>The fact that many Americans are challenging their government shows they have freedom of speech and thought and action, the fact that Muslims<br />
blindly accept what they are told shows they have no freedom of thought,,,, What They Are Told IS What They Believe. Puppets without strings.</p>
<p>Politics and the politicised religions are not able to hide anything from god, and god stepped back and allowed 9/11 knowing that those in power in America and those in power in the Muslim world would bring<br />
about this conflict of their own god given gift of freewill.</p>
<p>I will only reply to those who have watched the video or listened to the interview as it is pointless spending my time trying to talk with people<br />
who do not have enquiring minds so that they can look for the truth.</p>
<p>Gloaters and Grave Dancers will be ignored!!!</p>
<p>James<br />
(Zubair &#8211; I never got a single reply,,, The Gloaters and Grave dancers failed to rise to the challenge/truth!!!)</p>
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		<title>By: Derius</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1463#comment-85288</link>
		<dc:creator>Derius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

Thank you for your comments.

The statement I linked is posted on an Islamist website. Whether the message actually came from Osama bin Laden himself is not of great importance, as it still shows the ideology that drives them (unless you believe that the website is run by &quot;international Jewish figures&quot; to discredit the Islamists). 

If you have any evidence to show that Al-Qaeda did not issue that statement, then please present it. Unfortunately, until you do, I cannot agree with you on this.

I also don&#039;t want to discuss 9/11 here, as that&#039;s going way off topic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>Thank you for your comments.</p>
<p>The statement I linked is posted on an Islamist website. Whether the message actually came from Osama bin Laden himself is not of great importance, as it still shows the ideology that drives them (unless you believe that the website is run by &#8220;international Jewish figures&#8221; to discredit the Islamists). </p>
<p>If you have any evidence to show that Al-Qaeda did not issue that statement, then please present it. Unfortunately, until you do, I cannot agree with you on this.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t want to discuss 9/11 here, as that&#8217;s going way off topic!</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 07:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This attack reminds me of the Tamil Tigers.</description>
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		<title>By: zubair</title>
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		<dc:creator>zubair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,
If politics and the vicissitudes of human knowledge were as simplistic as &quot;always trust the evidence of your eyes&quot; then the deep philosophical and political problems of life would have been solved a long time ago and there would be no need for rational thinking or enquiry.
But then that&#039;s one of the problem&#039;s with fundamentalists-they oscillate between the certainties of sense data (to be read here as paranoic conspiracy theories)and the infallibilty of texts or messages which  they&#039;ve received from some supernatural being, usually a patriarchal male with a long beard. But, James were you not the same person who earlier in this blog was recommending that in these times of moral chaos we listen to God for guidance? It seems to me that there is a close relationship between the paranoic symptoms of those who are all too quick to believe in conspiracy theories and their extreme readiness to believe in literalist interpretations of the word of God, that is they are flip sides of the same lazy and backward reluctance to think critically about the difficult issues facing the world today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,<br />
If politics and the vicissitudes of human knowledge were as simplistic as &#8220;always trust the evidence of your eyes&#8221; then the deep philosophical and political problems of life would have been solved a long time ago and there would be no need for rational thinking or enquiry.<br />
But then that&#8217;s one of the problem&#8217;s with fundamentalists-they oscillate between the certainties of sense data (to be read here as paranoic conspiracy theories)and the infallibilty of texts or messages which  they&#8217;ve received from some supernatural being, usually a patriarchal male with a long beard. But, James were you not the same person who earlier in this blog was recommending that in these times of moral chaos we listen to God for guidance? It seems to me that there is a close relationship between the paranoic symptoms of those who are all too quick to believe in conspiracy theories and their extreme readiness to believe in literalist interpretations of the word of God, that is they are flip sides of the same lazy and backward reluctance to think critically about the difficult issues facing the world today.</p>
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		<title>By: James O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1463#comment-85251</link>
		<dc:creator>James O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Derius.
At the end of any day can you really believe any statement that &#039;supposedly&#039; came from Osama bin Laden!!!

the truth about events like this suicide bombing are now so clouded in deceit and double deceit you really cannot believe anything that is presented to you through sources controlled by those in power.

i will give you the best example of a lie peddled to the masses,,,, world trade centre building 7 FELL DOWN on September 11th 2001.....

Watch it come down on the Internet!!!

If it fell down as they say then i am Shirley Temple!!!

It was a controlled demolition that required many months of planning and weeks of physical preparation.....

The events of 9/11 and events and conflicts since have made many international Jewish figures and many Arabian peninsula Arabs and many American conglomerate corporate figures even more wealthy than they could have ever imagined.

And all that comes from just watching World Trade Centre Building 7 come down and realising that the explanation for how it came down was a big concocted lie!!!!

Always trust the evidence of your own eyes.

Just watch it and tell me - Am i right (was it demolished) Or - Am i Shirley Temple (it fell down)

All The Best
James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Derius.<br />
At the end of any day can you really believe any statement that &#8216;supposedly&#8217; came from Osama bin Laden!!!</p>
<p>the truth about events like this suicide bombing are now so clouded in deceit and double deceit you really cannot believe anything that is presented to you through sources controlled by those in power.</p>
<p>i will give you the best example of a lie peddled to the masses,,,, world trade centre building 7 FELL DOWN on September 11th 2001&#8230;..</p>
<p>Watch it come down on the Internet!!!</p>
<p>If it fell down as they say then i am Shirley Temple!!!</p>
<p>It was a controlled demolition that required many months of planning and weeks of physical preparation&#8230;..</p>
<p>The events of 9/11 and events and conflicts since have made many international Jewish figures and many Arabian peninsula Arabs and many American conglomerate corporate figures even more wealthy than they could have ever imagined.</p>
<p>And all that comes from just watching World Trade Centre Building 7 come down and realising that the explanation for how it came down was a big concocted lie!!!!</p>
<p>Always trust the evidence of your own eyes.</p>
<p>Just watch it and tell me &#8211; Am i right (was it demolished) Or &#8211; Am i Shirley Temple (it fell down)</p>
<p>All The Best<br />
James</p>
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		<title>By: Derius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe it&#039;s a coincidence that this despicable act has occured within a month of this statement being released by Osama bin Laden, regarding Pakistan.

http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_internal.php?article=109033&amp;list=/home.php

Although this is mainly aimed at Musharraf, there is a clear underlying message that any obstacle must be removed which prevents the Islamists from realising their dream. Benazir Bhutto is considered one of those obstacles. Therefore, I cannot agree, as suggested above, that Musharraf is behind the attacks.


&quot;Its when suicide bombers take literally the truth of these texts that politically irrational behaviour results.&quot;

Well said, Zubair. I believe the link I&#039;ve provided demonstrates this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s a coincidence that this despicable act has occured within a month of this statement being released by Osama bin Laden, regarding Pakistan.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_internal.php?article=109033&#038;list=/home.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.jihadunspun.com/intheatre_internal.php?article=109033&#038;list=/home.php</a></p>
<p>Although this is mainly aimed at Musharraf, there is a clear underlying message that any obstacle must be removed which prevents the Islamists from realising their dream. Benazir Bhutto is considered one of those obstacles. Therefore, I cannot agree, as suggested above, that Musharraf is behind the attacks.</p>
<p>&#8220;Its when suicide bombers take literally the truth of these texts that politically irrational behaviour results.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well said, Zubair. I believe the link I&#8217;ve provided demonstrates this.</p>
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		<title>By: douglas clark</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1463#comment-85166</link>
		<dc:creator>douglas clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 09:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zubair @ 48,

Well said.</description>
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<p>Well said.</p>
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		<title>By: Fouad</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1463#comment-85163</link>
		<dc:creator>Fouad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 08:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First Explaining the October 18th Karachi Crowd that gathered under the PPP banner

People of Pakistan love Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto whose name is a magnet for ALL WHO WANT TO RESIST INJUSTICE, LIBERATE THE PEOPLE FROM A SOCIO- ECONOMIC WEB OF EXPLOITATION AND HUMILIATION AND FIGHT THE BLOODY FRAUD OF LIBERALISM VERSUS EXTREMISM CIRCUS which the minions of Pakistanâ€™s elitist state supported by a mercenary military and intelligence establishment are playing to deceive the international community(Where they want to attain certain foreign policy goals vis a vis the Americans and the western Europe) and maintain a rapine, exploitative socio-economic status-quo in the country. Benazir NEEDS NOT BE MISTAKEN, SHE SHALL HAVE TO DELIVER ON THE BHUTTOâ€™S â€˜HOPE AND SLOGANâ€™ of freedoms, justice, a dignified and prosperous life for the men and women on the streets and an egalitarian society in order to be VINDICATED IN THE PEOPLEâ€™S COURT. Almost 90% of the people going to welcome her from the NWFP explained that they were GOING THERE TO SEE ZULFIQAR ALI BHUTTO REINCARNATED to rid the country of the fraud of WAR ON TERRORISM. Coz here we ALL KNOW WHO ACTUALLY ARE THE TERRORISTS. THEY ARE NONE OTHER THAN THE QS AND FUNCTIONALS AND FAZLUR REHMANS AND PATRIOTS AND GENERALS. BAIT ULLAH Mehsood---a gangster not worth even a bullet, late Abdullah Mehsood alias Gudday (lame!)  ---- are just the symptoms of the much deep running malaise. The real brunt of this fraudulent circus of war on terrorism being played by Pakistanâ€™s rich classes is being borne by the soldiers of Pakistan army whose uncounted and forgotten by the Pakistani state and civil society alike --------MEDIA HAS SIMPLY CLOSED ITS EYES TO THE CARNAGE- dead bodies lie rotting in NORTH WAZIRISTAN. 0.1 million people have left the region and are now refugees in their own country. 1000 others have died over the past month of Ramadan.
People went to Karachi to welcome Benazir coz they heard the name of Bhutto which means end to injustice, freedom, prosperity and hope in the lexicon of Pakistani politics. Benazir has promised them A HELL LOT if SHE FAILS TO DELIVER ON THE EXPECTATIONS she would be thrown into the dustbin of history in months. Whether she can deliver on the hopes she has raised is a question that is going to decide her career in the days to come.

The Bomb blast
Abdullah Mehsood or the Waziristan militants ARE LEAST INTERSTED IN BENAZIR when they are busy fighting the terror war game. ALL THE SOURCES HERE SAY THE MILITANTS NEVER issued the statement of sending out suicide bombers to kill Benazir. The threat was issued by the MILITARY AND INTELLIGENCE SUPERIORS who wanted to harass Benazir and SHOW (READ DECIEVE) THE AMERICANS HOW INSANE ARE THE PAKISTANI MILITANTS.  When the Pakistani establishment ALLOWED BENAZIR TO RETURN they had calculated that she would ONLY GET A SO SO type of small to medium reception. Once they saw the REAL FORCE OF DEAD BHUTTO DIRECTING PAKISTANâ€™S DESTINY from his grave they panicked and got unnerved and then they went for the bomb blast which was a VERY STUPID, VERY INHUMAN ATTEMPT TO TIDE THE FLOOD WHICH IS GOING TO BRING THE REGIME DOWN. IF PUNJAB TOO FOLLOWED   KARCHIâ€™S LEAD IN WELCOMING Benazir the current establishment has NO CHANCE of survival EVEN UNTIL THE ELECTIONS DAYS. The bomb blasts were an insane attempt to stop that.

                                                                                    Fouad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First Explaining the October 18th Karachi Crowd that gathered under the PPP banner</p>
<p>People of Pakistan love Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto whose name is a magnet for ALL WHO WANT TO RESIST INJUSTICE, LIBERATE THE PEOPLE FROM A SOCIO- ECONOMIC WEB OF EXPLOITATION AND HUMILIATION AND FIGHT THE BLOODY FRAUD OF LIBERALISM VERSUS EXTREMISM CIRCUS which the minions of Pakistanâ€™s elitist state supported by a mercenary military and intelligence establishment are playing to deceive the international community(Where they want to attain certain foreign policy goals vis a vis the Americans and the western Europe) and maintain a rapine, exploitative socio-economic status-quo in the country. Benazir NEEDS NOT BE MISTAKEN, SHE SHALL HAVE TO DELIVER ON THE BHUTTOâ€™S â€˜HOPE AND SLOGANâ€™ of freedoms, justice, a dignified and prosperous life for the men and women on the streets and an egalitarian society in order to be VINDICATED IN THE PEOPLEâ€™S COURT. Almost 90% of the people going to welcome her from the NWFP explained that they were GOING THERE TO SEE ZULFIQAR ALI BHUTTO REINCARNATED to rid the country of the fraud of WAR ON TERRORISM. Coz here we ALL KNOW WHO ACTUALLY ARE THE TERRORISTS. THEY ARE NONE OTHER THAN THE QS AND FUNCTIONALS AND FAZLUR REHMANS AND PATRIOTS AND GENERALS. BAIT ULLAH Mehsood&#8212;a gangster not worth even a bullet, late Abdullah Mehsood alias Gudday (lame!)  &#8212;- are just the symptoms of the much deep running malaise. The real brunt of this fraudulent circus of war on terrorism being played by Pakistanâ€™s rich classes is being borne by the soldiers of Pakistan army whose uncounted and forgotten by the Pakistani state and civil society alike &#8212;&#8212;&#8211;MEDIA HAS SIMPLY CLOSED ITS EYES TO THE CARNAGE- dead bodies lie rotting in NORTH WAZIRISTAN. 0.1 million people have left the region and are now refugees in their own country. 1000 others have died over the past month of Ramadan.<br />
People went to Karachi to welcome Benazir coz they heard the name of Bhutto which means end to injustice, freedom, prosperity and hope in the lexicon of Pakistani politics. Benazir has promised them A HELL LOT if SHE FAILS TO DELIVER ON THE EXPECTATIONS she would be thrown into the dustbin of history in months. Whether she can deliver on the hopes she has raised is a question that is going to decide her career in the days to come.</p>
<p>The Bomb blast<br />
Abdullah Mehsood or the Waziristan militants ARE LEAST INTERSTED IN BENAZIR when they are busy fighting the terror war game. ALL THE SOURCES HERE SAY THE MILITANTS NEVER issued the statement of sending out suicide bombers to kill Benazir. The threat was issued by the MILITARY AND INTELLIGENCE SUPERIORS who wanted to harass Benazir and SHOW (READ DECIEVE) THE AMERICANS HOW INSANE ARE THE PAKISTANI MILITANTS.  When the Pakistani establishment ALLOWED BENAZIR TO RETURN they had calculated that she would ONLY GET A SO SO type of small to medium reception. Once they saw the REAL FORCE OF DEAD BHUTTO DIRECTING PAKISTANâ€™S DESTINY from his grave they panicked and got unnerved and then they went for the bomb blast which was a VERY STUPID, VERY INHUMAN ATTEMPT TO TIDE THE FLOOD WHICH IS GOING TO BRING THE REGIME DOWN. IF PUNJAB TOO FOLLOWED   KARCHIâ€™S LEAD IN WELCOMING Benazir the current establishment has NO CHANCE of survival EVEN UNTIL THE ELECTIONS DAYS. The bomb blasts were an insane attempt to stop that.</p>
<p>                                                                                    Fouad</p>
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		<title>By: James O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1463#comment-85160</link>
		<dc:creator>James O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 08:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Douglas
You Said - We find folk that think they know better than statisticians how many folk have died, for the sake of a Liberal intervention, in Iraq.....

That ties in with what i said in a previous post,,, 
It is Ironic how people can individualise pain but not use their pain as a link/window into the pain of others and look at the bigger pain picture/issue even if they bear some responsibility for it.

politicians exist because people vote!
religions exist because people go to the places of worship!

If you visit this You Tube connection you will see the pain of the widows of Blackwater mercenaries/security personal showing their pain, and politicians saying that they feel their pain,,, and one widow ask WHERE IS YOUR OUTRAGE? 
(AND NOW IRONICALLY recently Blackwater personnel openly and indiscriminately slaughter ordinary people on the street and the US public do not feel the pain,,,, they are more embarrassed that this issue of mercenaries killing innocent people and children existing is now out in the open, even though the evidence of it happening many times has been there for years)

And all those political liberals and right wing hawks who push this war on terror have absolutely NO OUTRAGE  whatsoever regarding the slaughter of innocent babies and children,,, Muslims as a whole do not have a COLLECTIVE OUTRAGE regarding the Muslim militants who use children now as suicide bombers and use them as mules and cover and kill them indiscriminately as they go about their murderous efforts to control the people en-masse.

visit this you tube link and witness NO OUTRAGE in any way shape or form for all those others/children/babies just pain for SELF!

it is an interesting clip/insight.
( sorry for some reason the blog has rejected my post as spam rejecting the link but you can go to post 37 and link to the clip )

James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Douglas<br />
You Said &#8211; We find folk that think they know better than statisticians how many folk have died, for the sake of a Liberal intervention, in Iraq&#8230;..</p>
<p>That ties in with what i said in a previous post,,,<br />
It is Ironic how people can individualise pain but not use their pain as a link/window into the pain of others and look at the bigger pain picture/issue even if they bear some responsibility for it.</p>
<p>politicians exist because people vote!<br />
religions exist because people go to the places of worship!</p>
<p>If you visit this You Tube connection you will see the pain of the widows of Blackwater mercenaries/security personal showing their pain, and politicians saying that they feel their pain,,, and one widow ask WHERE IS YOUR OUTRAGE?<br />
(AND NOW IRONICALLY recently Blackwater personnel openly and indiscriminately slaughter ordinary people on the street and the US public do not feel the pain,,,, they are more embarrassed that this issue of mercenaries killing innocent people and children existing is now out in the open, even though the evidence of it happening many times has been there for years)</p>
<p>And all those political liberals and right wing hawks who push this war on terror have absolutely NO OUTRAGE  whatsoever regarding the slaughter of innocent babies and children,,, Muslims as a whole do not have a COLLECTIVE OUTRAGE regarding the Muslim militants who use children now as suicide bombers and use them as mules and cover and kill them indiscriminately as they go about their murderous efforts to control the people en-masse.</p>
<p>visit this you tube link and witness NO OUTRAGE in any way shape or form for all those others/children/babies just pain for SELF!</p>
<p>it is an interesting clip/insight.<br />
( sorry for some reason the blog has rejected my post as spam rejecting the link but you can go to post 37 and link to the clip )</p>
<p>James</p>
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		<title>By: James O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1463#comment-85153</link>
		<dc:creator>James O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 07:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Zubair.
i should imagine that the word mysticism in some way comes from the word mystery, and that is all life is A Mystery! that we have to solve in whatever part we can in our individual time here.

Science has its place in explaining god/allah/universal creator because behind everything in existence is a physical scientific law of existence and action and reaction,,, the universe and all that is in it is physical in motion,,,, but there is also the spiritual side as this universe is merely preparation for the next level of existence,,, and when we go to the next level we go as individuals,,, and that is the crux of the issue/problem! we are individuals,,, we cannot take our accumulated wealth and imaginary power with us when we go, we stand in the presance of god/allah/the universal creator and the simple explanation of that meeting is we are shown the effects of our previous existence on the universe,,, we are shown the harm and the good we have brought about and ALL its follow on effects on others and society as a whole.

i can say these things because i have had individual experiances that show this to be true,,, i cannot prove it and my ego is not so demanding that i ram it down people throats (never works) but it is interesting to talk about it and hope that people think about it and see that science and god/allah the universal creator can be compatible and that religion and politicised religion and god/allah/the universal creator can be at times for the individual not the best way. (when corrupted by lust for power/control) 
Sheep always have an Alpha sheep that the others follow,,, the other sheep let the alpha sheep make all the decisions while they just eat grass and follow,,, and that is blind faith in religion and politics in a nutshell!
All The Best
James
PS sometimes the fixed explanation of stated fact can be totally discredited by a simple childlike question!
example &#039;The Grand Canyon&#039;
The simple accepted explanation of how the grand canyon came about is that a mediocre river carved it out over hundreds of thousands of years, that is the scientific version, religion says the world is only 7,000 years old.
But ask yourself - Where is the delta? where are all those billions and billions of cubic earth and rock?
my thoughts and belief is - that this earth in its existence sometimes has cataclysmic events that totally change the world,,,, mankind has a tenuous grip on existence and it/we/individuals should think about how a split second in time could remove us in the blink of an eye,,, And would the universe miss us or even notice that we have gone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Zubair.<br />
i should imagine that the word mysticism in some way comes from the word mystery, and that is all life is A Mystery! that we have to solve in whatever part we can in our individual time here.</p>
<p>Science has its place in explaining god/allah/universal creator because behind everything in existence is a physical scientific law of existence and action and reaction,,, the universe and all that is in it is physical in motion,,,, but there is also the spiritual side as this universe is merely preparation for the next level of existence,,, and when we go to the next level we go as individuals,,, and that is the crux of the issue/problem! we are individuals,,, we cannot take our accumulated wealth and imaginary power with us when we go, we stand in the presance of god/allah/the universal creator and the simple explanation of that meeting is we are shown the effects of our previous existence on the universe,,, we are shown the harm and the good we have brought about and ALL its follow on effects on others and society as a whole.</p>
<p>i can say these things because i have had individual experiances that show this to be true,,, i cannot prove it and my ego is not so demanding that i ram it down people throats (never works) but it is interesting to talk about it and hope that people think about it and see that science and god/allah the universal creator can be compatible and that religion and politicised religion and god/allah/the universal creator can be at times for the individual not the best way. (when corrupted by lust for power/control)<br />
Sheep always have an Alpha sheep that the others follow,,, the other sheep let the alpha sheep make all the decisions while they just eat grass and follow,,, and that is blind faith in religion and politics in a nutshell!<br />
All The Best<br />
James<br />
PS sometimes the fixed explanation of stated fact can be totally discredited by a simple childlike question!<br />
example &#8216;The Grand Canyon&#8217;<br />
The simple accepted explanation of how the grand canyon came about is that a mediocre river carved it out over hundreds of thousands of years, that is the scientific version, religion says the world is only 7,000 years old.<br />
But ask yourself &#8211; Where is the delta? where are all those billions and billions of cubic earth and rock?<br />
my thoughts and belief is &#8211; that this earth in its existence sometimes has cataclysmic events that totally change the world,,,, mankind has a tenuous grip on existence and it/we/individuals should think about how a split second in time could remove us in the blink of an eye,,, And would the universe miss us or even notice that we have gone?</p>
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		<title>By: zubair</title>
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		<dc:creator>zubair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,
Indeed there is a deep mystery to existence but this is entirely compatable with a scientific worldview as you yourself eloquently put it in your account of science&#039;s delving into the wonder of the universe.
The trouble is that as soon as this sense of mystery is reductively conceived in terms of a deity this sense of awe gets expressed as empty rituals or adheherence to empty rituals.
So your right in one sense(yes mysticism is valid) but dangerously wrong in another(rituals can only be metaphors not true knowledge). Don&#039;t mistake the finger pointing at the moon for the moon itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,<br />
Indeed there is a deep mystery to existence but this is entirely compatable with a scientific worldview as you yourself eloquently put it in your account of science&#8217;s delving into the wonder of the universe.<br />
The trouble is that as soon as this sense of mystery is reductively conceived in terms of a deity this sense of awe gets expressed as empty rituals or adheherence to empty rituals.<br />
So your right in one sense(yes mysticism is valid) but dangerously wrong in another(rituals can only be metaphors not true knowledge). Don&#8217;t mistake the finger pointing at the moon for the moon itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1463#comment-85120</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Presumably god prioritised the free will of the killers over that of the murdered?

But he tortures them later, so that&#039;s all right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Presumably god prioritised the free will of the killers over that of the murdered?</p>
<p>But he tortures them later, so that&#8217;s all right.</p>
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		<title>By: zubair</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1463#comment-85114</link>
		<dc:creator>zubair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,
The problem with this line of argument
[&quot;why would god whose greatest GIFT to ALL mankind in their individual time spans on earth is FREEWILL stop/prevent an atrocity that is/was committed entirely of an individuals freewill!!!] is that it is vacuous. The issue remains, and your response fails to answer it, Why a loving omnipotent God would allow such evil to occur notwithstanding your assertion that its because God doesn&#039;t want to interfere with man&#039;s free will (this is the vacuous bit of your argument). Of course their&#039;s the precedent of God playing around with Abraham to test his free will, but this at best should be taken metaphorically as should all religious texts which purport to be authored by some supernatural entity.
Its when suicide bombers take literally the truth of these texts that politically irrational behaviour results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,<br />
The problem with this line of argument<br />
["why would god whose greatest GIFT to ALL mankind in their individual time spans on earth is FREEWILL stop/prevent an atrocity that is/was committed entirely of an individuals freewill!!!] is that it is vacuous. The issue remains, and your response fails to answer it, Why a loving omnipotent God would allow such evil to occur notwithstanding your assertion that its because God doesn&#8217;t want to interfere with man&#8217;s free will (this is the vacuous bit of your argument). Of course their&#8217;s the precedent of God playing around with Abraham to test his free will, but this at best should be taken metaphorically as should all religious texts which purport to be authored by some supernatural entity.<br />
Its when suicide bombers take literally the truth of these texts that politically irrational behaviour results.</p>
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