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	<title>Comments on: Not racist apart from &#8216;the odd impulse&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: TheFriendlyInfidel</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1461#comment-85193</link>
		<dc:creator>TheFriendlyInfidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I thought that Amis handled himself very well in that interview, barring that weird cat like lick of the hand at the end.

Considering how many times I hear &quot;quoted out of context&quot;, it was nice to see him describe that context. He is right about not searching little girls, I get annoyed when I&#039;m being made late for a flight because they are searching a little old lady in front of me. A little bit of profiling would do little harm in my opinion, even if they just focus on males in the right age group as skin color is a terrible way to spot political dissidence, even if currently there is a strong correlation.

Sure we all have &quot;impulses&quot;, itâ€™s perfectly encapsulated in that song &quot;everyone is a little bit racist&quot;.

TFI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I thought that Amis handled himself very well in that interview, barring that weird cat like lick of the hand at the end.</p>
<p>Considering how many times I hear &#8220;quoted out of context&#8221;, it was nice to see him describe that context. He is right about not searching little girls, I get annoyed when I&#8217;m being made late for a flight because they are searching a little old lady in front of me. A little bit of profiling would do little harm in my opinion, even if they just focus on males in the right age group as skin color is a terrible way to spot political dissidence, even if currently there is a strong correlation.</p>
<p>Sure we all have &#8220;impulses&#8221;, itâ€™s perfectly encapsulated in that song &#8220;everyone is a little bit racist&#8221;.</p>
<p>TFI</p>
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		<title>By: newmania</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1461#comment-85133</link>
		<dc:creator>newmania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Newmania, I know you find it difficult to contain your anger, but whatâ€™s that gotta do with the topic&lt;/i&gt;

Its clear ,and  you are using a  chat room warrior ploy that is just a little dreary in an adult.......I`ve outgrown that sort of one up manship myself ..:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Newmania, I know you find it difficult to contain your anger, but whatâ€™s that gotta do with the topic</i></p>
<p>Its clear ,and  you are using a  chat room warrior ploy that is just a little dreary in an adult&#8230;&#8230;.I`ve outgrown that sort of one up manship myself ..:)</p>
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		<title>By: newmania</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1461#comment-85131</link>
		<dc:creator>newmania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newmania, I know you find it difficult to contain your anger, but whatâ€™s that gotta do with the topic

Its clear , I `m not angry and  you are using a frankly adolescent  ploy that is just a little dreary in an adult....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newmania, I know you find it difficult to contain your anger, but whatâ€™s that gotta do with the topic</p>
<p>Its clear , I `m not angry and  you are using a frankly adolescent  ploy that is just a little dreary in an adult&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1461#comment-85067</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; Iâ€™m also a practicing Cahtolic, SWEETIE, &lt;/i&gt;

I remember you telling us earlier you were an atheist gay?

&lt;i&gt;If every Mufti, Mullah and Cleric in every Islamic country were to introduce a draconian one child only policy, &lt;/i&gt;

Why should they? It hasn&#039;t helped the Chinese. What draws people out of poverty is good economic policies. Dubai is somewhat showing the way. 

&lt;i&gt;then in less than 20 years it will have bred itself into abject poverty, ecological collapse and massive famine.&lt;/i&gt;

This is claptrap. Their problem will be water, not food. And poverty really isn&#039;t a major problem in the Middle East, more in Africa and Asia.

Really, the amount of rubbish you spout in your messages, I could spend a day taking them apart. It&#039;s easier just deleting such rubbish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Iâ€™m also a practicing Cahtolic, SWEETIE, </i></p>
<p>I remember you telling us earlier you were an atheist gay?</p>
<p><i>If every Mufti, Mullah and Cleric in every Islamic country were to introduce a draconian one child only policy, </i></p>
<p>Why should they? It hasn&#8217;t helped the Chinese. What draws people out of poverty is good economic policies. Dubai is somewhat showing the way. </p>
<p><i>then in less than 20 years it will have bred itself into abject poverty, ecological collapse and massive famine.</i></p>
<p>This is claptrap. Their problem will be water, not food. And poverty really isn&#8217;t a major problem in the Middle East, more in Africa and Asia.</p>
<p>Really, the amount of rubbish you spout in your messages, I could spend a day taking them apart. It&#8217;s easier just deleting such rubbish.</p>
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		<title>By: Sofia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1461#comment-85065</link>
		<dc:creator>Sofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But your belief in an external divine directly impinges upon other people in a negative way - thus indicating that it is not your True Will.&quot;

You see this is what irritates me about you Morgoth. I don&#039;t impinge upon anyone. Nor do any of the muslims in my acquaintance and I know a lot..as soso so eloquently points out, we breed a lot so by default I know a lot of muzzies.

And I just love the way you tell me about True will..I can&#039;t be arsed with ppl who tell me what i think..or what i should think...or how i should act or how they perceive my actions or those of my co religionists..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But your belief in an external divine directly impinges upon other people in a negative way &#8211; thus indicating that it is not your True Will.&#8221;</p>
<p>You see this is what irritates me about you Morgoth. I don&#8217;t impinge upon anyone. Nor do any of the muslims in my acquaintance and I know a lot..as soso so eloquently points out, we breed a lot so by default I know a lot of muzzies.</p>
<p>And I just love the way you tell me about True will..I can&#8217;t be arsed with ppl who tell me what i think..or what i should think&#8230;or how i should act or how they perceive my actions or those of my co religionists..</p>
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		<title>By: Soso</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1461#comment-85059</link>
		<dc:creator>Soso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But hey, youâ€™re not racist, you just have the â€œodd impulseâ€ on this site to froth about how those ignorant Arabs should be grateful weâ€™re dropping cluster bombs on them. Spare me the tripe please&lt;/i&gt;

Sunny where have I every called, or even intimated that &quot;ignorant Arabs&quot; should be grateful the cluster bombs?

I&#039;m ignorant and an idiot? I&#039;m also a practicing Cahtolic, SWEETIE, and The Vatican declared the U.S invasion of Iraq an UNJUST WAR, and this, right from the GET-GO.

Last week The Pope refused to even meet with Condi Rice.

If the population of the Islamic world increases in line with predicitions, then in less than 20 years it will have bred itself into abject poverty, ecological collapse and massive famine.

If every Mufti, Mullah and Cleric in every Islamic country were to introduce a draconian one child only policy, tomorow morning at 8:00 AM sharp, it&#039;d still be a case of too little too late.

And you cavalierly dismiss this impending disaster with some facile, clichÃ© about &quot;darkies&quot;?

News bad, messanger therefore racist.

Wow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But hey, youâ€™re not racist, you just have the â€œodd impulseâ€ on this site to froth about how those ignorant Arabs should be grateful weâ€™re dropping cluster bombs on them. Spare me the tripe please</i></p>
<p>Sunny where have I every called, or even intimated that &#8220;ignorant Arabs&#8221; should be grateful the cluster bombs?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m ignorant and an idiot? I&#8217;m also a practicing Cahtolic, SWEETIE, and The Vatican declared the U.S invasion of Iraq an UNJUST WAR, and this, right from the GET-GO.</p>
<p>Last week The Pope refused to even meet with Condi Rice.</p>
<p>If the population of the Islamic world increases in line with predicitions, then in less than 20 years it will have bred itself into abject poverty, ecological collapse and massive famine.</p>
<p>If every Mufti, Mullah and Cleric in every Islamic country were to introduce a draconian one child only policy, tomorow morning at 8:00 AM sharp, it&#8217;d still be a case of too little too late.</p>
<p>And you cavalierly dismiss this impending disaster with some facile, clichÃ© about &#8220;darkies&#8221;?</p>
<p>News bad, messanger therefore racist.</p>
<p>Wow!</p>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1461#comment-85001</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Free-will, the implicit sanctity of Man as Vicergent of God (Islam), the inner Pradip (Buddhist) being concomitant with Man&#039;s Ideal Nature Prakriti (Hindu) or Fitnah (Islamic) are all theistic concepts. 

You goat-fucking devil-worshipping simpletons are simply repurposing those concepts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Free-will, the implicit sanctity of Man as Vicergent of God (Islam), the inner Pradip (Buddhist) being concomitant with Man&#8217;s Ideal Nature Prakriti (Hindu) or Fitnah (Islamic) are all theistic concepts. </p>
<p>You goat-fucking devil-worshipping simpletons are simply repurposing those concepts.</p>
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		<title>By: Morgoth</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1461#comment-84997</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But your belief in an external divine directly impinges upon other people in a negative way - thus indicating that it is not your True Will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But your belief in an external divine directly impinges upon other people in a negative way &#8211; thus indicating that it is not your True Will.</p>
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		<title>By: Sofia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1461#comment-84991</link>
		<dc:creator>Sofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morgoth, i have free will which is why i CHOOSE to believe in what you call a sky fairy..that&#039;s my choice...it&#039;s a democracy innit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morgoth, i have free will which is why i CHOOSE to believe in what you call a sky fairy..that&#8217;s my choice&#8230;it&#8217;s a democracy innit</p>
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		<title>By: Morgoth</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1461#comment-84990</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*cries*

*hugs his pet goat for comfort*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*cries*</p>
<p>*hugs his pet goat for comfort*</p>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1461#comment-84988</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not for you I can&#039;t. you&#039;ll have to be happy with what you get goaty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not for you I can&#8217;t. you&#8217;ll have to be happy with what you get goaty.</p>
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		<title>By: Morgoth</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1461#comment-84986</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;have you got some sort of debrainwashing, anti God brainwashing machine?&lt;/i&gt;

Yep. Its called Free Will, and recognising that the Self is the Divine, not some imaginary skyfairy.

&lt;i&gt;goat-fucking devil worshipper&lt;/i&gt;

Not very original Sid, come on, you can do better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>have you got some sort of debrainwashing, anti God brainwashing machine?</i></p>
<p>Yep. Its called Free Will, and recognising that the Self is the Divine, not some imaginary skyfairy.</p>
<p><i>goat-fucking devil worshipper</i></p>
<p>Not very original Sid, come on, you can do better!</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1461#comment-84981</link>
		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, kind of sounds like all the &#039;shrieking&#039; about &#039;are you on the side of anti-racism&#039;?

personally, i&#039;m starting to think we really need a new term for racism. there are so many &#039;group-ists&#039; out there who are effectively discriminating, but if its not seen as a &#039;race&#039; thing, ooh guess what no one cares.

its getting really BORING, can we be [progressive] for a change and just look at discrimination full stop, this race thing is just so bloody self-fulfilling</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, kind of sounds like all the &#8216;shrieking&#8217; about &#8216;are you on the side of anti-racism&#8217;?</p>
<p>personally, i&#8217;m starting to think we really need a new term for racism. there are so many &#8216;group-ists&#8217; out there who are effectively discriminating, but if its not seen as a &#8216;race&#8217; thing, ooh guess what no one cares.</p>
<p>its getting really BORING, can we be [progressive] for a change and just look at discrimination full stop, this race thing is just so bloody self-fulfilling</p>
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		<title>By: Sofia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1461#comment-84974</link>
		<dc:creator>Sofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for Morgoth...have you got some sort of debrainwashing, anti God brainwashing machine?? oh you are funny...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for Morgoth&#8230;have you got some sort of debrainwashing, anti God brainwashing machine?? oh you are funny&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sofia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1461#comment-84973</link>
		<dc:creator>Sofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jai Post #10 - I suppose one idea that Amis did not put forward to allow people to separate us muzzies from the rest is to ask us very nicely to sew crescent shaped badges on our outer clothes and to mark our front doors with an &quot;Allah&quot; sign in red ink. I vaguely remember something similar being asked of another religous group..but then again history is just another boring subject which has no relevance today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jai Post #10 &#8211; I suppose one idea that Amis did not put forward to allow people to separate us muzzies from the rest is to ask us very nicely to sew crescent shaped badges on our outer clothes and to mark our front doors with an &#8220;Allah&#8221; sign in red ink. I vaguely remember something similar being asked of another religous group..but then again history is just another boring subject which has no relevance today.</p>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1461#comment-84971</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why is it that the stink seems to be emanating from your side, you being a cod-theist goat-fucking devil worshipper?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why is it that the stink seems to be emanating from your side, you being a cod-theist goat-fucking devil worshipper?</p>
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		<title>By: Morgoth</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1461#comment-84965</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Irony is lost on you Morgoth. Considering that you wish to kill every single Muslim on the planet, which is the â€œAmis impluseâ€ taken to its logical conclusion perhaps a spell in Abu Ghraib will be of some benefit to you.&lt;/i&gt;

I do not. I merely wish to debrainwash them, along with every other stinking Theist on the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Irony is lost on you Morgoth. Considering that you wish to kill every single Muslim on the planet, which is the â€œAmis impluseâ€ taken to its logical conclusion perhaps a spell in Abu Ghraib will be of some benefit to you.</i></p>
<p>I do not. I merely wish to debrainwash them, along with every other stinking Theist on the planet.</p>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1461#comment-84964</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon Snow: I just want to try and distinguish between Islamism and Islam. I mean, for example, you say &quot;The extreme incuriosity of Islamic culture&quot;. I mean how can you say such a sweeping thing, an entore faith that is expressed in different strands in different parts of the world.

Martin Amis: Because &lt;strong&gt;they&#039;ve&lt;/strong&gt; translated a only handful of books in the last millenium. Erm...

============================================

(my emphases)
Question: Who&#039;s &#039;they&#039;?
The entire Muslim world of course. Well I can speak for Bangladesh, who is part of &#039;they&#039; and it has one of the most vibrant publishing industries in Asia, in spite of being drastically poor, produced 3 Nobel Laureates and is a Muslim country. 

So how can Amis then suggest that he has made the distinction between Islam and Islamism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon Snow: I just want to try and distinguish between Islamism and Islam. I mean, for example, you say &#8220;The extreme incuriosity of Islamic culture&#8221;. I mean how can you say such a sweeping thing, an entore faith that is expressed in different strands in different parts of the world.</p>
<p>Martin Amis: Because <strong>they&#8217;ve</strong> translated a only handful of books in the last millenium. Erm&#8230;</p>
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<p>(my emphases)<br />
Question: Who&#8217;s &#8216;they&#8217;?<br />
The entire Muslim world of course. Well I can speak for Bangladesh, who is part of &#8216;they&#8217; and it has one of the most vibrant publishing industries in Asia, in spite of being drastically poor, produced 3 Nobel Laureates and is a Muslim country. </p>
<p>So how can Amis then suggest that he has made the distinction between Islam and Islamism?</p>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1461#comment-84963</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rid Loddle even.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rid Loddle even.</p>
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		<title>By: Sid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1461#comment-84962</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not anyone, just Martin Amis, Rid Liddle and Mark Steyn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not anyone, just Martin Amis, Rid Liddle and Mark Steyn.</p>
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