Pickled Politics is coming to an end


by Sunny
8th January, 2012 at 11:35 am    

I think I’m merely stating what has become obvious now.

For the last few months, I’ve been working on my new project – Rippla – and my blogging energy went into writing for Liberal Conspiracy or editing it (which takes up a lot of time too). Rumbold has a new job that makes it difficult for him to find the time too. Only Jai has had the time to blog properly.

We wanted to host a new conversation on race, religion and identity politics in general. We gave voices to people who felt a certain way, annoyed people, entertained them and pushed an agenda that slowly made its way into the national conversation. I made lots of mistakes, lots of friends and learnt about politics faster than any other way possible.

If you don’t have regrets then you didn’t make much impact. But more than the badly titled posts or the flame-wars or the arguments – I had lots of fun blogging and creating mischief.

But everything has to come to an end. We started September 2005 – racking up over 14,000 posts over six and a half years. We thank the bazillions of wonderful visitors and commentators (including the mad ones) for making this place interesting and occasionally informative.

You can catch me on Twitter or on Liberal Conspiracy. I’ll sign off with the photo I think best encapsulated Pickled Politics.

ALSO: I apologise to all the people who’s emails I didn’t reply to. There were too many :(

Rumbold adds: I would like to say thank you as well to everyone who made this such an enjoyable place. I made a lot of friends here, and had so many interesting debates.

It also exposed me to issues I would never have given much thought to. Things like far-right groups and ‘honour’-based violence aren’t going to stop just because we have (sadly), but I hope we at least raised awareness and understanding of the latter and maybe contributed to some positive changes, whilst giving the former a (metaphorical) black eye.

We won’t completely vanish however. Elton John is going to update ‘Candle in the Wind’ for us (“Goodbye Hounslow’s Rose”) and Sunny will be appearing in the next series of ‘Strictly Come Dancing’.

Jai adds: I would like to add my heartfelt thanks to PP’s readers, the editorial team, and everyone who has made a positive contribution to the comments threads. We’ve jointly managed to do a lot of good work here, and your kind support, involvement and feedback has always been invaluable.

Many commenters and writers have passed through this website’s doors since 2005, and some long-term regulars are still with us. It’s fascinating how the articles and discussions have evolved over the years, especially in response to major real-world events. For my part, I’ve learnt a great deal as a result of my participation on Pickled Politics. It’s been quite a ride; we’ve had days of high drama, times of fierce debate, and moments of tremendous warmth and humour.

To those of you who don’t want the story to end: The logical decision would be to collectively relocate to Liberal Conspiracy.

Good luck for the future, everyone. It’s been an honour.


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  1. Don — on 8th January, 2012 at 11:53 am  

    It’s been fun, Sunny. I’ve made some friends here I hope I’ll run into again.

  2. chairwoman — on 8th January, 2012 at 12:46 pm  

    “So” as Cole Porter once said “Goodbye Dear and Amen, Here’s hoping we’ll meet now and then, It was great fun, But it was just one of those things”.

    To all my cyberfriends and opponents, Sunny, Jai, Rumbold, Anas, Refresh, Sonia, Douglas, Don…it’s been interesting.

    And those who became “real” friends, isn’t it time we got together?

    This is the chairwoman, signing out.

  3. Kulvinder — on 8th January, 2012 at 12:53 pm  

    ‘Goodbye’ doesn’t have much meaning on the internet as i’m sure i’ll post comments on something somewhere, as probably will everyone else, but yeah to the next internet comment place thing!

    Are you going to take the entire site down keep it up as a (somewhat) useful archive? I only ask as im unsure whether to take copies of my fav pages or not.

  4. Kulvinder — on 8th January, 2012 at 1:38 pm  

    I’m @_Kulvinder_ which apparently is a twitter ‘address’ if you anyone needs to shout at me – or is it poke me, im not sure. But my first impression of twitter is its akin to mountaineers high in the Himalayas having massive arguments between short intakes of breaths

    *gasp for air*

    I only have 140 characters to express my opinion which ordinarily would take an entire essay

    *gasp for air*

    But don’t worry ill break it all down into sentences

    *gasp for air*

    Its sort of reminiscent of a witness at a trial talking in short bursts

    *gasp for air*

    And waiting for the judge to write everything down in his/her own illegible hand writing

    *gasp for air*

  5. zak — on 8th January, 2012 at 3:25 pm  

    i’ve found some great links and learnt loads over the last few years from you this site..

    I’ll miss pp..so long and thanks for all the fish!

  6. Leon — on 8th January, 2012 at 5:28 pm  

    Its been a wild ride and when it was good it was fantastic, proud to have sat amongst the ranks of the regulars and for a short while as a writer and a editor for PP. :)

  7. Don — on 8th January, 2012 at 7:16 pm  

    Kulvinder is right, even though PP may be terminated it would be a shame to lose the archived material.There were times when we were cookin’.

    Like zak, I’ve learned a lot here. In fact some of the regulars over the past six and a half years have furnished me with an education I didn’t even know I needed. I just regret that I never got to meet in the flesh the many minds that made me question what I thought I knew.

  8. Sunny — on 8th January, 2012 at 7:21 pm  

    We’re keeping the archives here don’t worry. And we’ll probably do a PP meetup soon!

    I ALSO learnt a lot that I didn’t realise that I needed learning :)

  9. raz — on 8th January, 2012 at 8:18 pm  

    I stopped posting here a long time ago, but I still have fond memories of inciting mass flame wars with Indians back in 2005/6, and once hacking a comment is free poll so that Sunny would win personality of the year :) Take care you guys.

  10. Don — on 8th January, 2012 at 8:31 pm  
  11. Robert — on 8th January, 2012 at 9:28 pm  

    Wow. This unexpectedly makes me kind of sad and nostalgic, even though I haven’t been here too frequently recently, and encounter Sri Hundal and Leon on a regular basis over at Liberal Conspiracy and Twitter.

    Pickled Politics was the daily, Go To place for me, back in the ’5 and ’6. I even wrote a blog post which began

    My girlfriend suspects I am having an affair. She thinks this, because she often walks in when I am typing messages to someone called Sunny.

    I think it filled a really important gap, addressing ideas of multiculturalism, diversity and race at a time, post-9/11, when the debate was particularly immature and shrill elsewhere.

    I feel nostalgic also, because ‘blogging’ feels differently now to what it did then.

  12. KJB — on 9th January, 2012 at 12:39 am  

    Awwww, this blog has really changed my life in some major ways and those of you who know me know what I mean ;-)

    Good luck to you in your new endeavours, Sunny – I know that I’ll probably return to PP in future for some article or another! *waves*

  13. Sarah AB — on 9th January, 2012 at 11:36 am  

    I think perhaps this is the blog where I’ve most often been persuaded to adjust my views about an issue. I know it doesn’t show, but there you go.

    Sarah x

  14. Leon — on 9th January, 2012 at 1:52 pm  

    I feel nostalgic also, because ‘blogging’ feels differently now to what it did then.

    Yep, know what you mean, everytime I’ve been tempted to start blogging again I’ve stopped realising that it was just an attempt to capture an era which has passed…

  15. Nyrone — on 9th January, 2012 at 2:14 pm  

    I’m sad it’s over. It was fantastic while it lasted. Huge Congrats to everyone involved. Asim

  16. Carl — on 9th January, 2012 at 2:52 pm  

    This is sad. I wonder if Lee John Barnes will pop over to wish his farewell. I gather he was the “mad one” – or at least one of many.

  17. Optimist — on 9th January, 2012 at 2:54 pm  

    That’s a real shame guys ! I came across this blog less than a year ago when I saw something on some other blog about one of Jai’s excellent articles exposing the racist EDL.

    Since then I must admit that I have changed my mind on some issues – I remember that I started with a big argument with Douglas Clark over something ( can’t remember what) but became friends in the end ( I hope ).

    Please do keep the archives open as ( amongst others ) – Jai’s unique articles would be irreplaceable.

    For those who thought I was Jai, I can now confirm that they were right…

    Only kidding – I can assure you that I have never met Jai and we possess separate bodies – but maybe the same mind ( somewhat ) …

    Good luck to all ..

  18. Golam Murtaza — on 9th January, 2012 at 3:45 pm  

    Thanks a lot Sunny – it’s been a great blog. Also many thanks to Jai, Ravi Naik, Douglas Clark and Rumbold.

  19. Sarah — on 9th January, 2012 at 5:26 pm  

    Sad to read this post, but glad to know the archives will still be here. Thanks Sunny!

  20. Katy Newton — on 9th January, 2012 at 6:54 pm  

    Sad times. But PP was brilliant for a very long time and it would be impossible to keep up that sort of momentum indefinitely. I sort of wish that someone a bit more computer-savvy than me would set up a ex-PP forum so that we could all carry on nattering. *looks hopeful*

  21. damon — on 9th January, 2012 at 7:05 pm  

    Ahh, that’s a pity. I was only half banned and hadn’t finished telling all of my travel stories. ;)
    I’ve spent the day in Birmingham and am presently in an internet cafe on Soho Road Handsworth. It’s different here (to London). Those pubs on Soho Road are something else. The Cross Guns pub looks pretty lively. Caribbean origin people only though by the look of it. There’s hardly any white people here at all. And half of them are speaking Polish from what I’ve heard.
    I might move here. You can’t beat the prices for the food in the takeaways and resturants. Only £3 for a balti.

  22. halima — on 9th January, 2012 at 7:13 pm  

    Oh no.. But good to know that PP can bow out with respectability, and not insist on going on forever…. Enjoyed reading PP threads and unlearning many things from other posters. Thanks Sunny and everyone else!

  23. Ravi Naik — on 9th January, 2012 at 7:27 pm  

    I am very sad that PP is coming to an end. I have been here since the beginning of 2006, and I have loved every minute of it – the I/P threads, the BNPers, the islamophobes, the atheists, the feminists, the Muslims, the Christians, the trolls, the moderates, the PP editors-gone-rogue. What a ride! I’ve learnt so much from here. It was great to find a place where your mindset could be challenged as much as here.

    I grew very fond with many of you, and wish you all the best. I will not name names, but I will make an exception to Sunny – thanks for creating a superb blog!

  24. KB Player — on 9th January, 2012 at 9:20 pm  

    Sorry to see this coming to an end. There was always something interesting here, both in the posts and the comments. Best wishes to you all.

  25. Rumbold — on 9th January, 2012 at 9:40 pm  

    I had some good times here- from Lee John Barnes threatening to hang us to Sunny almost turning up on time for a PP meetup (“hur hur, I’m early” he said, arriving ten minutes late. Indian timing for you).

  26. KB Player — on 9th January, 2012 at 10:07 pm  

    Actually I did enjoy the feuds with Harry’s Place!

  27. Sunny — on 10th January, 2012 at 2:01 am  

    Heh! You guys are all very lovely. You know what they say – everyone’s nice about you at your funeral ;-)

    Lots of people on Facebook also giving me much grief for this post but it had to be done

  28. damon — on 10th January, 2012 at 11:25 am  

    Any point in having an inquest? I suppose not.
    I think I’ve made it clear that I think there was far too much focus on the BNP and EDL.
    And not enough (IMO) on the politics of the likes of Operation Black Vote. Where they even had Jesse Jackson over last week for the Lawrence trial verdict.
    Jesse Jackson is quite terribe I find.

    http://www.obv.org.uk/

    Deaths in police custody, ”No justice – no peace” marches (which kicked off the Tottenham rioting).
    Diane Abbott, Marc Wadsworth, The Black Police Association – which was still calling the Met Police racist just recently and urging BME people to not join it.
    There was little discussion of these things in the last couple of years. Tarique Ghaffur too, who had said that Sir Ian Blair was personally racist towards him.

    Marc Wadsworth’s world view on race is far more important than he nobodies of the EDL.
    I disagree with him more or less completely, and think his kind of politics and that of OBV is really a major problem for people who support progress on race issues. But I never got anywhere in trying to bring these things up. Only accused of being a BNP supporter or a troll. Oh well.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/marcwadsworth

  29. Random Guy — on 10th January, 2012 at 11:48 am  

    Just to add my voice to all the others here, PP was a truly unique site, with a very distinct voice, diverse community and lively (and “lively”) discussions.

    It will be missed, and all you who I have exchanged views with over the years, will also be missed. Good luck in whatever endeavour you all choose :)

  30. Optimist — on 10th January, 2012 at 2:47 pm  

    damon -

    For the last time just ‘Fuck Off’

  31. Rumbold — on 10th January, 2012 at 2:52 pm  

    Now now Opti-Jai (heh) this is goodbye for everyone. Be nice.

  32. Wibble — on 10th January, 2012 at 3:47 pm  

    PP was a unique site if only for having a nice Libertarian on the team :) It always seems to have had a pretty decent core of regular below the line commentators.

    I’ve enjoyed reading the articles and the debates here. Of late, Jai’s articles on the Far Right have been particularly good.

    So thanks Sunny, Rumbold, Jai, and the others for keeping it going for so and all the best for the future.

  33. Kismet Hardy — on 10th January, 2012 at 5:19 pm  

    Waaah. Who shall I terrorise now? Who will give me attention? I guess I’ll have to go try and spectacularly fail to blow something up now. Your fault.

    Fat love to one and all xx

  34. douglas clark — on 11th January, 2012 at 3:02 am  

    Quite sad about this but I agree it was inevitable.

    Optimist @ 17, I can’t remember what we were arguing about either, my friend.

    I have learnt a great deal from this site over the years. And I have made a lot of chums along the way.

    Best wishes to each and every one of you.

  35. Sunny — on 11th January, 2012 at 5:26 am  

    Katy it wouldn’t work with an ex-PP site! It’s not the same. When the time has come to end something, must do it properly.

    I remember wehn I used to run another website back in the day, which still had hundreds of people posting every day on the messageboards (down from the thousands that used it every day a decade ago) – I didn’t give any notice – just shut the entire site down and put up a cheery page saying goodbye to everyone.

    Of course, some went on to set up alternatives but it wasn’t the same. And I didn’t want to participate in them. Maybe another blog will turn up which concentrates on similar issues one day and we’ll all hang out there!

  36. Shamit — on 11th January, 2012 at 5:34 pm  

    Thank you Sunny and the entire PP team over the past few years for keeping this place alive and for your ability to attract a diverse body of opinion from far flung places around the globe.

    Like Rumbold, I too made many friends and found out they are much nicer in real life and I thoroughly enjoyed participating in many of the debates – sometimes a bit too much. For that apologies everyone.

    I would remember Pickled Politics fondly and I think a PP meet is a great way to bow out…so when is it Sunny.

    I would like to wish everyone the very best especially Sunny, Rumbold and Jai, in your new endeavours. Good luck and au revoir

  37. Vikrant — on 11th January, 2012 at 6:37 pm  

    I started posting here in 2005 when i was 16! boy a lot of my political opinions then make me cringe now. I immigrated to America subsequently and would drop by here once in a while to indulge in nostalgia for Britain. I was a pleasure having known you all (albeit electronically).

    Good luck on the website Sunny, hit me up on facebook for a drink or something anytime you are in San Fran!

  38. Sarah — on 11th January, 2012 at 6:59 pm  

    Do you have Facebook Rumbold?

  39. Lamia — on 12th January, 2012 at 12:34 am  

    Thanks very much for running this site Sunny.

    I have read PP for years. I very often didn’t agree with you or other contributors, but I do appreciate the time and effort you all put into it.

    You have covered a lot that is not covered elsewhere (or at least covered elsewhere in this sort of combination) and it has very often been an interesting and enjoyable read. As Sarah said, believe it or not, it has made even me think sometimes.

    Thanks to you all again, and good luck with your next venture(s).

    Lamia

  40. Rohin — on 12th January, 2012 at 6:56 am  

    Anyone remember me? I was deputy ed years ago. Have some good memories of this place and the people. Glad to see quite a few familiar names above and know you’re still active on the webs. Well at least more active than me, I withered into the background slowly over the years. Anyway, thought I’d say a quick hi as sunny let me know PP was coming to a close. Thanks sunny and everyone who made it a fun place.

  41. Don — on 12th January, 2012 at 8:22 pm  

    Hi, Rohin. Are you still doing that photo-blog, that was some good stuff.

  42. Rumbold — on 12th January, 2012 at 9:42 pm  

    Sarah- no, but you have my email address. I hope you keep blogging and continue to find space at Lib Con and other places.

  43. Kojak — on 13th January, 2012 at 1:34 am  

    Sunny and Co,

    Well done and good luck.

    You are a nice bunch of people and conversations on this board were a cut above many other places.

    I hope things go well for you.

    PS: Do yourself a favour: Lay off supporting Ed Miliband so enthusiastically on Liberal Conspiracy and put £50 on Alasdair Darling replacing him within the year – providing any bookies will still give you odds.

  44. Sunny — on 13th January, 2012 at 5:00 am  

    Rohin, I think your post on Apu is still responsible for at least a quarter of all hits to PP. hah!

  45. Sam Ambreen — on 16th January, 2012 at 5:11 pm  

    *sadface*

  46. Tehmina Kazi — on 17th January, 2012 at 12:39 pm  

    I am really sad to hear this. PP has been one of the most illuminating blogs around… Do keep up the good work at Liberal Conspiracy, and I know our paths will keep crossing on various projects :-)

  47. persephone — on 23rd January, 2012 at 12:54 am  

    Its sad to see PP go. I have not been here a lot recently but over the time that I have visited PP it made me smile, seethe, feel saddened, hopeful, enlightened but always glad that someone else had the job of putting the time in to make it happen.

    persephone

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  49. dmol — on 26th January, 2012 at 5:01 pm  

    Ill miss this site, i started coming here after i realised harrys place was insane :/

  50. trev — on 30th January, 2012 at 8:16 pm  

    dmol
    ‘Ill miss this site, i started coming here after i realised harrys place was insane :/

    ROFLMAO …it’s ok dmol if you need insanity there is always The Spittoon …run by the Pickled Politics Reject club

  51. mangles — on 31st January, 2012 at 12:52 am  

    Initially I despised the views of some of the commentators and authors on this site but in time came to appreciate the alternative viewpoint that was on offer, though I still seldom agree with it.

    Jai I will surely miss your wisdom veera – if i may call you that. I hope you will be reincarnated on another blog soon so that i can continue to learn from your positive manner of commenting.

    Rab rakha to you all!
    God bless as they say in Punjabi lol

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