Comments on: BBC bias: a response to Iain Dale

By: Pickled Politics » Sanctimonious bullshit

Pickled Politics » Sanctimonious bullshit — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:48:09 +0000

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By: newmania

newmania — Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:06:03 +0000

and a specific ‘recent’ example of active bias ,unanswered of course

Learn to read or shut-up Septic !

â€˜I `d suggest the Solomon answer. If you don`t like it and I don`t like it why not kill it ?â€™
To be replaced with what? Why not just fix it?

Oh what a suprise you want to keep it, that says it all.A free press and free media .I do not want to have to discuss with people like you what is or isn`t biased.The BBC has had its chance and consistently failed to reform its arrogant statist prefernces. Until it is dissolved it should,adjust its editorial standpoint from the current Independent /Guardian to something more like the the balance of the Press. a tad to the right of the Times would be about right and a fair reflection of the people who are forced to pay for it .

The probklem with these people is they spend all their time with others like themslesves and quite literally cannot conceive that they are not representative nor qualified to estimate what is

By: ChrisC

ChrisC — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:16:28 +0000

Sunny’s comment on the prior BBC thread:
“The idea that the country is mostly to the right of the BCB is a fallacy. Itâ€™s actually to the left.”

I fail to see how that can possibly be true.
On which issues is the country to the left of the BBC?

By: septicisle

septicisle — Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:05:18 +0000

Just social conservatives and libertarians? I think plenty of others too. Stop framing it politically when there’s a perfectly decent argument for the BBC not continuing to be taxpayer funded; it’s just nothing to do with any actual bias it has.

By: QuestionThat

QuestionThat — Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:48:24 +0000

The difference is that the social conservatives and libertarians still HAVE TO pay a Â£100 per year subscription fee for the privilege of having their TV sets broadcast the transmissions that they do not wish to watch.

Consign Tax TV to the dustbin of British history.

By: septicisle

septicisle — Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:04:42 +0000

Actually newmania, I did respond to your comment, and noted its lack of relevance seeing as most of it was years out of date. As for the Sun not being Conservative supporting it’s true, but it’s definitely a Thatcherite right-wing newspaper. If you really think the socially conservative are those being most abused, you really haven’t expanded your horizons much.

By: Jherad

Jherad — Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:25:26 +0000

@Newmania:

– ‘Sounds like it roughly reflect the views of the buyers which is what you would expect. The question is why doesn`t the BBC ?’

I’m a little unsure as to what you are suggesting – that the BBC *should* be right wing instead of impartial?

– ‘I understand what you want , to manufacture a set of grievances so as to set up a centre point further to the left.’

Yet again this has been misrepresented. The point is that the ‘left’ is asking for a moderate ‘centre’ BBC with a balance of views, and the ‘right’ is pushing for a… right wing BBC (colour me surprised). The currently /perceived/ centre point between the arguments is too far to the right of the /real/ centre between the camps because of this. To simplify Sunny’s point – we should argue left, to attain centre.

– ‘I `d suggest the Solomon answer. If you don`t like it and I don`t like it why not kill it ?’

To be replaced with what? Why not just fix it?

By: newmania

newmania — Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:53:30 +0000

Well, thatâ€™s because most of the press, excluding the Daily Mirror, Guardian and Independent

Leaving what , The Mail, The Telegraph and the Sun … (which is not especially ‘Conservative’ supporting )? Sounds like it roughly reflect the views of the buyers which is what you would expect. The question is why doesn`t the BBC ?
I understand what you want , to manufacture a set of grievances so as to set up a centre point further to the left. This would be pushing an open door and would be gleefully clutched by the Beeb to demonstrate their “predicament” It really is nonsense though. I went through the vast numbers of past crosses from Guardian to BBC to Labour and a specific recent example of active bias ,unanswered of course.The pretence of the left to be supportive of the Beeb in a disinterested way and because of their commitment to impartiality is one so hilariously self deluding that I can only encourage more of it.The small c socially conservative majority are the most abused and I doubt many at the BBC would even try to disguise their contempt for nationalism , the monarchy and such cross Party affections

I `d suggest the Solomon answer. If you don`t like it and I don`t like it why not kill it ? Then we will both be happy won`t we…….answer that impartially…..as if. In fact I like it more and more . My commitment to impartiality can no longer rest happily with the continued existece of this desperately right wing Lord Haw Haw organisation. Joining hands with Sunny I would like to back his call for its immediate demise.

In doing so I echo the equally sincere wish of the pig in lipstick Brown for cross Party cooperation !

Glad to help old chap

By: septicisle

septicisle — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:35:56 +0000

No worries. I was hoping to write my own response today but it’ll have to be tomorrow.

By: Sunny

Sunny — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:32:03 +0000

Oh but I have those criticism too ChrisC. The only difference is I don’t spend my time obsessing about it all the time.

See:
http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1265

http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1206
(the end bit of that one)

http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1128

http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1100

http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1279
(end bit)

By: ChrisC

ChrisC — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:19:18 +0000

I agree that some of “Biased BBC”‘s posts can be on the trivial side, but they produce the specific content to which they object.

That’s not the same kind of thing as saying look, Nick Robinson was a young Tory so the BBC cannot be biased or (ludicrously Hari-style) must therefore be biased to the right.

Where are your examples of (as you see it) biased content within specific news reports?

By: Tim Ireland

Tim Ireland — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:08:41 +0000

You’re welcome. And Garry, for the good of your health, I suggest you do *not* hold your breath waiting.

By: Garry

Garry — Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:34:30 +0000

My pleasure. It will be interesting to see whether Iain informs his readers that his “interpretation” of your point was wrong now that you’ve made it crystal clear?