New report into the EDL shows most political overlap with the BNP


by Sunny
31st October, 2011 at 10:23 am    

The think-tank Demos have published a report into the English Defence League.

There report is here. They say:

While leaders of the EDL claim they are a pluralistic, liberal movement that is fighting Islamic extremism, chants heard at demonstrations and the vitriol frequently posted on the EDL’s chat forums suggest otherwise. It is in this context that we have undertaken the first ever large-scale empirical study of the EDL, which comprises responses from 1,295 sympathisers and supporters, and includes data on their demographics, involvement in EDL activity, political attitudes and social views. The results show that, although the EDL is usually understood as an anti-Islamic or anti-Islamist demonstrating group, the reality is more complex.

Supporters are characterised by intense pessimism about the UK’s future, worries about immigration and joblessness. This is often mixed with a proactive pride in Britain, British history and British values, which they see as being under attack from Islam. Although their demonstrations have often involved violence and racist chants, many members are democrats who are committed to peaceful protest and other forms of activism.

That sounds about right to me.

The report also destroys the myth that EDL people have usually defected from the left; in fact most have right-wing sympathies:

Who would they vote for?

BNP – 34% (public: 2%)

UKIP – 14% (3%)

Conservative – 14% (36%)

Labour – 9% (29%)

Lib Dem – 3% (23%)


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  1. Optimist — on 31st October, 2011 at 5:13 pm  

    “This is often mixed with a proactive pride in Britain, British history and British values, which they see as being under attack from Islam.”

    I have been to many anti-EDL protests and have observed those racist thugs from close quarters. From what I have seen, I doubt if many of them know much about the ‘British history’ and even fewer perhaps can even spell ‘British values’!!

  2. J to the T — on 31st October, 2011 at 8:22 pm  

    Optimist:“I have been to many anti-EDL protests”

    As UAF?

  3. damon — on 1st November, 2011 at 1:32 am  

    The question that’s left begging here (for me) after reading this OP is ”and what?”

    Of course EDL supporters are not going to be attracted to an Ed Miliband/Harriet Harman led Labour Party.
    Who would have really thought they were? I can’t imagine EDL ”members” at the Labour conference listening the speeches a few weeks back.

    It’s hardly a surprise that they are more likely to be part of the 900,000 Brits who have voted for the BNP recently.

  4. Joan Walters — on 2nd November, 2011 at 10:02 am  

    Thank God for the EDL and their casual courage to march and agitate in the street without worries about image and public opinion being manipulated by the mass media. The EDL don’t ask you to vote for them, so – unlike with the BNP – a fals, media created image doesn’t matter. For too long the British public have been bullied into silence and impotence by the media and political correctness – “you can’t say that” they bleat when someone criticises immigrants and foreigners who have graced us with their presence. Well, you CAN say that say EDL. Let’s hope millions join the EDL march – I will.

  5. Optimist — on 2nd November, 2011 at 12:25 pm  

    Joan Walters -

    You have sullied this pristine site with your unwanted visit. People like you are not welcome here – so, just Fuck Off !

  6. Joan Walters — on 2nd November, 2011 at 3:39 pm  

    optimist – aren’t you a clever articulate boy! Typical leftie or immigrant!

  7. Kismet Hardy — on 2nd November, 2011 at 7:24 pm  

    “Typical leftie or immigrant!”

    Ah, the angry dog froth of ‘the world is black and white’ brigade

    You can criticise immigration policies and despair at foreigners without having to be a fascist thicko, you know that, right? The daily mail readers manage to do that everyday without once having to dirty the street bellowing ‘peckys out they stole me taxis’.

    Aim higher. Foreigners do

  8. J to the T — on 2nd November, 2011 at 9:10 pm  

    Optimist:

    I have to say, You seem to have enormous difficulty answering whether you are a member of the UAF or not.

    I rather suspect it is because you know calling others ‘thugs’ from that side of the fence would be ludicrous hypocrisy.

    Where to start with examples?

    How about a coach leaving but being surrounded and pelted with missiles and then a woman being pulled from it and kicked whilst laying helpless on the ground?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4KdhFkr1Ns

    Or the UAF response to violence, especially to a defenceless woman surrounded by men, laughing about ‘punching a woman in the face’ and using the Fascist classic dehumanisation justification: ‘never hit a woman, but their not women’ ‘never hit a woman, but do kick a dog.’

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJcG2C22okE&NR=1

    Do you consider this to be thuggery, Optimist?

  9. douglas clark — on 2nd November, 2011 at 10:47 pm  

    J to the T,

    Optimist and I have shot the breeze on here and I am pretty sure that he or indeed she is just a nice person.

    Do you think that “racist thugs” does not accurately characterise racist thugs?

    I think it does.

  10. douglas clark — on 2nd November, 2011 at 10:54 pm  

    Joan Walters,

    I have a new idea about belonging. The likes of a squalling bairn such as yourself that fell onto the floor and became brain damaged and just happened to be – at a guess – English, is a bit inferior to someone that voluntarily took on that identity.

    Just saying.

  11. J to the T — on 2nd November, 2011 at 10:57 pm  

    douglas clark: You clearly don’t know this guy from a bar of soap, and you are deluded if you think you do.

    The questions to Optimist are both straight enough questions I would have thought.

    But, Douglas, do you think ‘thugs’ does not accurately characterise all thugs, racist or Marxist?

    I think it does.

  12. douglas clark — on 2nd November, 2011 at 11:24 pm  

    J to the T,

    Who don’t I know? I consider Optomist a chum. You are deluded if you think I don’t.

    Your questions, and those of your chum Joan Walters, have a clear agenda. It is not one that I share. Or, indeed that I am interested in.

    _________________________________________

    I think that racist thugs are worse than other thugs. Your mileage may vary. What’s with the Marxists?

  13. J to the T — on 3rd November, 2011 at 1:50 am  

    Douglas Clark: You consider an someone you have never met or spoken to, an anonymous commenter operating under a pseudonym on the internet to be a true friend and you think I’m delusional!?

    On that basis, I deem it safe to say that ‘Joan’ is not my ‘chum’ either. Nor have I made any ‘agenda’ clear at all. That is an old internet device, Douglas. As predicable and prevalent as Godwin’s law.

    Anyhow, why do you think you have to answer for your ‘chum’ anyway? Is he incapable?

    So dragging a woman off a coach and giving her a kicking as she lays on the ground is not thuggery in your book? And violence has different levels of justification / becomes more felonious depending on politics?

    I think in the real world, it is safe to say that if someone punched you in the face because they didn’t like your haircut, or alternately if someone punched you in the face because you are Scottish / white it would still feel the same, still do the same damage, still break the law and still be wrong.

    Do you not remember this:

    ” If you lead a noun, in front of a noun:

    viz: EDL / UAF Lunatics.

    Can we reasonably say that two nouns have gone to war?
    Is one not, gramatically, assuming that all lunatics are EDL / UAF, or alternatively that all EDL / UAF are lunatics? …

    It is meaningless. It is cheap and it is wrong.”

    Of course I modified the noun, but the words are all yours. What’s changed?

    Oh, lastly, do you know anything about the political provenance of the UAF? It seems not.

  14. Joan Walters — on 3rd November, 2011 at 8:56 am  

    The media protect UAF and other violent Communist groups who oppose the BNP by failing to criticise UAF violence and undemocratic activities. This is partly because of the nature of journalists’ unions (NUJ etc) and partly because the disease of Politiical Correctness is endemic amongst the types who become “journalists” – usually people who see themselves as potential “victims” of a normal, healthy society – journalism has disproportionate numbers of homosexuals, lesbians, Jews and people with low self esteem/paranoia (many immigrants also fall into this catagory because they sense they are in the “wrong place” and feel – rightly – unwanted). The key to the ultimate demise of commies, UAF, Hope not Hate etc will the great British public who, whilst appearing sheeplike and rather stupid, will turn; they are now awakening to the big con of multiculturalism, they are reading and hearing more from groups like UAF and politicians like the BNP, and as their living standards continue to decline, they will turn on the enemies of Britain, take to the streets and it will be Krystallnacht again!! Bring it on!!

  15. Kismet Hardy — on 3rd November, 2011 at 9:54 am  

    Joan, my crack dealer is camping out at St Pauls. Can I borrow yours?

  16. damon — on 3rd November, 2011 at 2:52 pm  

    Anyone see ”Secret Pakistan”?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-15445047

    And Babar Ahmad has 100,000 supporters in the UK.
    http://liberalconspiracy.org/2011/11/03/petition-on-babar-ahmad-also-reaches-100k/

    You could spin that last story in an EDL way if you were so inclined I guess.

  17. Kismet Hardy — on 3rd November, 2011 at 3:44 pm  

    What’s the taliban plotting terrorism in pakistan got to do with a bunch of racist hooligans in this country again?

    Because those terrorism camps will mean bombs galore in UK so the EDL are right to spread hate against the Muslims. Is that really the link?

    Christ. That’s like justifying throwing rocks at people from a tall building cos, you know, a giant meteorite could come hit us all one day

  18. Optimist — on 3rd November, 2011 at 5:47 pm  

    Kismet Hardy -

    Good point about ‘throwing rocks’. I wish I had thought of that !

    Yes, douglas clark is my chum. Some people are just jealous!!

  19. damon — on 3rd November, 2011 at 7:11 pm  

    What’s the taliban plotting terrorism in pakistan got to do with a bunch of racist hooligans in this country again?

    Nothing. It was just an off topic aside.
    It was quite an eye opening programme.
    The EDL might say it’s a pity that we’re so connected to Pakistan in the UK by way of it’s diaspora.

    But that’s just them and the way they think (I guess).
    I still think the OP wasn’t up to much. It’s a bit like saying the Pope’s a catholic.
    Of course the EDL rank and file are more like the BNP than any other party. Even the one’s who insist they aren’t racist would probably fail the ‘racism test’ … as set by the anti-racist/anti-fascist left.

    The Babar Ahmad petition is more relevant though.
    It must have been isamists pushing it.

    Is there a petiition to free the three cricketers yet?
    I might sign that one myself. It smacks of colonalism a bit. Can you imagine English cricketers being sent to prison in Pakistan? There’d be a middle England outcry.

  20. J to the T — on 3rd November, 2011 at 11:19 pm  

    Optimist: In reality he is not an even an acquaintance, but that is by the by.

    Are you UAF? Do you not agree with the example given is thuggery?

    There are plenty more examples too, as I suspect you know.

  21. J to the T — on 3rd November, 2011 at 11:22 pm  

    Kismet:“… right to spread hate against the Muslims ..”

    Of course not, and undoubtedly some do. But where you see every critical voice as hate, most sensible people see it as natural caution.

    As I said a few threads back, Islamists are the biggest source of terrorism in this world, and by far.

    On a daily basis dozens of men, women and children are killed in the name of Islam.

    There is a significant body of support for such terrorism amongst young Muslims in Britain, and even more support still for murdering people who no longer believe in Islam, murdering gays, and atheists, and also for punishing women who have been raped, as well as shoving all women into medieval costume whether they like it or not.

    To varying degrees, majority Muslim countries are intolerant of all others: From low-level religious discrimination to sectarian attacks and murder through to outright prohibition.

    These are facts. The reality.

    Why are British people not entitled to recognise this reality and draw natural conclusions at the prospect of growing numbers?

    I also gave you that weeks and previous months horrific minimum murder and maim rate of Islamists and here are is the same for the week just gone:

    (22 -28 October) Islamists have carried out at least 46 recorded attacks, killing at least 135 people and critically injuring another 318.

    In October there was at least 170 recorded attacks, killing at least 652 people and critically injuring another 1307.

    Many of these were women and children.

    A 2007 Populus revealed the hollowness too of your previous claims that ‘Muslims don’t stand by the actions of terrorists.’ In fact the indications are very grave indeed for this country.

    Poll

    The 2001 census showed 1,591,000 Muslims resident in the UK of which 18.2% are aged 16-24 so roughly 300,000 and of those around 30,000 admire terrorist organisations that kill British soldiers and innocent civilians for the crime of being non-believers.

    Around 110,000 want a legal system that punishes and executes homosexuals; executes atheists; executes religious converters; stones adulterous women to death on the say so of her husband and one other; physically punishes women for being raped etc etc

    Around 108,000 want to murder people who no longer believe in Islam and around 222,000 view women as second class citizens to be forced into medieval costume.

    Of course these figures will actually be very significantly higher in 2011 but we can get the general flavour from these available statistics.

    These are the facts. The reality.

    And people not only have a right to be very concerned, but for their children and grandchildren’s sake, they have duty.

  22. douglas clark — on 4th November, 2011 at 3:11 am  

    Bloody hell, I wrote masses of stuff and lost it!

    Briefly, J to the T @ 21, your paranoia is showing, big style. Perhaps you should be posting at ‘The gates of Vienna’ rather than here?

    Your facts completely contradict my reality. Most Scottish Muslims, the ones that are politically active, either sign up for Labour or the SNP. Sometimes, we peely-wally folk vote for them. It is worth noting that most Muslims I have met don’t appear to share your ideas about them achieving world dominance.

    I was out tonight and I’d have sworn that I saw a white guy with a black chic. And no-one cared. Why should they? It is the new black :-)

    I am pretty sure that some Muslims that joined the Army have been brought back in body bags.

    You haven’t a clue……

  23. douglas clark — on 4th November, 2011 at 3:32 am  

    J to the T @ 21,

    Just to say also that I have met, pressed the flesh, with several people that write and comment here. I have never been disappointed. They were all decent and loveable folk. It is also the case that we all have fears about meeting other people. Frankly we worry too much. Most folk are ace. It is a myth that you can’t distinguish between the good guys and the bad guys.

    This is a public service announcement.

    And, I’d quite like to meet Optomist. He or she is unlikely to impose a Caliphate on me at first meeting :-)

    You worry too much. Perhaps if you got out there and met people………..

  24. J to the T — on 4th November, 2011 at 7:06 pm  

    Douglas: Actually it is your reality that contradicts the facts, not the other way around; and the facts are above.

    And again, it is not ‘my paranoia’ but simply related facts, that you find paranoia in those facts is perhaps natural.

  25. J to the T — on 4th November, 2011 at 8:28 pm  

    Some more facts Douglas, from the HO:

    Operation of police powers under the Terrorism Act 2000 and subsequent legislation: Arrests, outcomes and stops & searches 2008/2009

    * In total there have been 1,661 terrorism arrests since 11 September 2001

    * 36% were charged for terrorism related offences

    * 57% of those charged for terrorism related offences have been convicted.

    * Almost all (92%) terrorist related prisoners classified themselves as Muslim

  26. Optimist — on 5th November, 2011 at 5:23 pm  

    douglas clark @23 -

    You know I love you. Its brotherly love as it’s a he ! I have looked through some old threads and know that you been battling these racists and fascists for many years and you still carry a sharp sabre. You stick in there my friend as you know we can’t have enough people like you.

    Yes, I’m sure it would be a real pleasure to meet you and I love scotch whiskey and haggis and all things Scottish. Burns night is my favourite night when I have shared many a hot toddy with my Scottish friends!

  27. J to the T — on 5th November, 2011 at 8:32 pm  

    Optimist: You are so far detached from reality you now describe your anonymous internet thread comment exchanges as ‘brotherly love’ when Douglas doesn’t even know if you are male or female nor is Douglas even 100% sure of the veracity of claims that ‘Optimist’ is really someone’s sock puppet!

    But I notice you are of course far more interested in this fluff then addressing the real facts about Islamism and that you are too embarrassed to admit if you are UAF or not.

    I understand. Its difficult spewing out hysterical labels at others if you belong to a vicious gang of Fascist thugs yourself.

    Happy Bonfire night!

  28. J to the T — on 5th November, 2011 at 8:35 pm  

    Douglas: I am pretty sure that some Muslims that joined the Army have been brought back in body bags.

    2007 – 248 Muslims serving in the British Army

    Source

    By 2008 – At least 312 Muslims convicted for terrorist related offences in Britain.

    “You haven’t a clue……”

    Au contraire, Douglas.

    But maybe that is because your reality revolves around a 0.8% Muslim populace?

    Very tiny percentage, but even so, still enough to spawn 2 attempted Muslim suicide attackers was it not?

    How many terrorist attacks have there ever been in Scotland, Douglas?

  29. J to the T — on 5th November, 2011 at 8:46 pm  

    Douglas: “It is worth noting that most Muslims I have met don’t appear to share your ideas about them achieving world dominance”

    It is worth noting that I have expressed no such idea, you have. I have presented facts and you have come to that conclusion yourself.

    It is also worth noting the bleeding obvious you can only speak to people that want to speak to you, and that even then people don’t always express exactly what they think to strangers.

    I wonder if you spoke to any people involved or supporting today’s latest Islamist atrocity:

    “Nigeria Islamist raid ‘kills 63′

    Dozens of people are killed in bomb attacks on police and churches in north-eastern Nigeria … “

    BBC Report

    Or any of these latest Islamist atrocities over the past few days:

    TEXT

    2011.11.05 (Taji, Iraq) – A woman is among four family members machine-gunned in their home by al-Qaeda.

    2011.11.04 (Maiduguri, Nigeria) – At least four people are killed by coordinated Fedayeen attacks, one at a college.

    2011.11.04 (Kaduna, Nigeria) – Mujahideen gunmen attack a church, shooting two female worshippers to death.

    2011.11.03 (Karradah, Iraq) – Sunni bombers take out four Shiites in a residential neighborhood.

    2011.11.03 (Baqubah, Iraq) – A double suicide attack leaves ten Iraqis dead. The second blast was intended to kill victims fleeing the first.

  30. douglas clark — on 8th November, 2011 at 1:57 am  

    J to the T,

    Answer the question. Were British soldiers who were muslims brought back in body bags? Yes or no?

    I think you know the answer.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12504162

    By the way, you wouldn’t know a fact if it kicked you in the teeth.

  31. douglas clark — on 8th November, 2011 at 11:28 pm  

    Optimist @ 26,

    Cheers. We do haggis pakora too! Now that is fusion.

    If you are ever up here, look me up. It could be a fun evening.

  32. J to the T — on 9th November, 2011 at 9:21 pm  

    Douglas Clark: I don’t actually have to answer anything, let alone ‘yes’ or ‘no’ to a jumped up irrelevance like you, so don’t think you have any actual authority, little man.

    But I will gladly educate you in fact once more: The article you link doesn’t mention “British soldiers who were muslims brought back in body bags” , it mentions just one soldier.

    So clearly ‘you wouldn’t know a fact if it kicked you in the teeth’ ,Douglas.

    So lets look at the facts: In 2007 there were less Muslim serving the country then were convicted for trying to attack it.

    In your linked article, the BBC make an unsourced claim of 600 serving now, but concede that that “Muslims are still under-represented in the armed forces.” And of course given their demographic in the UK, seriously under-represented would be far more apt.

    However the Muslim Council of Britain, an umbrella group representing more than 500 Muslim organisations in the UK, said Muslims state that “to date there are 350 serving Muslim officers, men and women, in the British Army.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-12236846

    So the more credible of the 2 assert that not only is the under-representation much worse, but that only a handful more Muslims are serving the country now then had been convicted for trying to attack it from crime stats 4 years old.

    And of course, on balance of probability, it is fair to say that the conviction rates for Muslims convicted for trying to attack this country and are almost certainly going to be higher again today then Muslims actually serving this country.

    The article you link to also says: “on their return to the UK some Muslim soldiers have experienced threats from extremists within their own community … A Birmingham man was convicted in 2008 for his involvement in a plot to kidnap and behead a British Muslim soldier.”

    So once more Douglas, it would appear that the truth is the direct opposite of your fluff, and that it is you who ‘wouldn’t know a fact if it kicked you in the teeth’

    So your question answered, try one of mine: How many terrorist attacks have there ever been in Scotland, Douglas?

  33. J to the T — on 9th November, 2011 at 9:28 pm  

    And I can tell you right now Douglas: You will never, ever meet ‘Optimist.’

    It is pure fantasy.

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