I’m working on a new project


by Sunny
18th September, 2011 at 4:21 pm    

It wouldn’t have escaped your notice that I’ve been blogging a lot less here lately. This isn’t just because running Liberal Conspiracy is a full time job – it is because I’ve been working on another big project.

Eons ago, long before I got into blogging, writing or anything to do with the media, I worked at a technology start-up. I joined straight after university and the ‘dotcom boom’ was in full swing. I’d always been interested in the tech industry and had tried to start two companies during those days (while I was working full time).

Unfortunately, the market soured by 2001 and despite our well-thoughout business plans (a rarity in those days), no one wanted to invest. I wouldn’t say the tech boom is back but I’ve caught the bug again.

For the past 5 months I’ve been working on a project more ambitious than anything I’ve done before. It has been painstakingly slow to develop because I had little time and because a brotha has to eat and sleep occasionally too. But I’ve had some help, which has made it easier.

Hence – blogging has been light. I’ll be launching within a few weeks. I’m not allowed to say what it’s about until then. But I thought I owed you guys an explanation at least for the pitiful lack of content.


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  1. sunny hundal

    Blogged: : I'm working on a new project http://t.co/8Hf27lMP


  2. Milo Yiannopoulos

    What a gift: @sunny_hundal involved in a tech startup. http://t.co/5cNgm6iV Watching closely.


  3. Faisal Tuddy

    so what's sunny's next big project? “@sunny_hundal: Blogged: : I'm working on a new project http://t.co/R6amlcHM”


  4. Jim Graham

    Good luck, whatever it is!
    “@sunny_hundal: Blogged: : I'm working on a new project http://t.co/Wo1rr96l”




  1. Mitu — on 18th September, 2011 at 5:34 pm  

    Best of luck for every project of yours bro…. May God bless you.

  2. Leon — on 18th September, 2011 at 7:49 pm  

    Sounds interesting, look forward to hearing more. :)

  3. KB Player — on 19th September, 2011 at 6:36 pm  

    Hope it works out for you. Good for you for launching out like that.

  4. Don — on 19th September, 2011 at 7:20 pm  

    Good luck. I’m assuming this something which will benefit humanity? Or make a shed load of money. Either way works.

  5. Refresh — on 19th September, 2011 at 7:29 pm  

    Good luck, remember you only make money by taking it off someone else. If its off google or facebook then so much the better.

    Hopefully on your return you will be able to take care of some housekeeping ie get Earwicga back doing what she does best and seal that wormhole to Jihadwatch.

  6. Phil Hunt — on 19th September, 2011 at 8:15 pm  

    Good luck with it.

  7. Don — on 19th September, 2011 at 8:23 pm  

    Refresh,

    Many of Earwicga’s (?) OP’s made a lot of sense and she was suitably robust in the comments. But arriving out of he blue as a mod on an established site with that autocratic, ‘my way or the highway’ approach to the regulars was always going to raise hackles. Even when I thought she was right she could raise my hackles, and I have easy-going hackles.

    As a contributor and a commenter I think she was a positive innovation. As a mod she abused her position to shut down legitimate disagreement.

    I’d be happy to see her back, but not if she expected the rest of us to respect her authoriteh.

  8. Refresh — on 20th September, 2011 at 3:28 pm  

    Don, I don’t disagree but on the whole I prefer to engage and persuade. Like all established groups newcomers need time to appreciate a variety of personalities.

    Almost all of us are firm in our view on the merits of this forum, and how that came about. A lightness of touch is always a help especially when you can also use it as a rope.

    I would welcome back Earwicga, and get to understand her personality. Ideally over a series of posts rather than a brutal introduction.

    I don’t forget Sunny has created this space by being vicious where needed; picked fights over the smallest of things; banned people who for me were figures of entertainment etc. Despite (because of) all of that we have PP which has a progressive stance. It wasn’t always thus. I never doubted we would end up having something worth preserving, through dialogue. There have been shifts in positions (which is a good thing), we’ve engaged newcomers with opposing views who then became regulars.

    I don’t see why that wasn’t the case with Earwigca. She may be quick on the delete (and the four-letter-word) button, but she is too smart to lose.

    The problem may be that she has a tendency to second-guess, so skips the intermediate steps and moves straight to the conclusion which are not always wrong.

  9. Rochelle — on 21st September, 2011 at 9:28 am  

    Goodluck with your new project Sunny. Hope it all goes well.

  10. douglas clark — on 21st September, 2011 at 9:58 am  

    Refresh,

    I think earwicga was, and probably is, a bully. She shouldn’t be allowed to moderate Mumsnet, far less somewhere like here.

    Quite how Don saw her as a ‘positive innovation’ is a bit beyond my pay grade.

    If she had just joined the commentariat then, well, yes.

    But no!

    She was introduced with a fanfare and a welcome from the top as God’s gift to us all. And proceeded to delete and edit and stand on her laurels to her hearts content. Frankly, it pissed me off. And I was not alone in that.

    It was not all that much of a good time on the old PP site, as far as I remember. I seem to recall most of our more avuncular commentators going ‘steady on, old girl!’ or words to that effect.

    Still and all, the rehabilitation council of the soviets will decide. Earwicga, yes or no?

  11. douglas clark — on 21st September, 2011 at 10:10 am  

    Sunny,

    …because a brotha has to eat and sleep occasionally too…

    It is a well acknowledged – by you – fact that you don’t sleep, hardly. And you only eat vegetables.

    Yuck!

    Unfortunately, the market soured by 2001 and despite our well-thoughout business plans (a rarity in those days), no one wanted to invest. I wouldn’t say the tech boom is back but I’ve caught the bug again.

    Best of luck with whatever you are up to.

    Any talk of a Pickled Politics meet up again?

  12. Kismet Hardy — on 21st September, 2011 at 10:48 am  

    I do dislike people taking potshots at a fellow member when she’s not around to defend herself, all the more ironically bitter when it happens on a thread where we’re wishing success to another member…

  13. douglas clark — on 21st September, 2011 at 11:06 am  

    Kismet,

    She’s listed as a member.

    See ‘In-laws’ just below me. Err.. That would be ‘dougies place’ or summat, a dead parrot of a site…

    I am perfectly willing to defend my opinion of earwicga to her face. I think she knows that. I think she is a bully. I am unlikely to change my mind just ’cause she’s found a knight in shining armour like you.

    I stand by what I have said about her.

    I did not raise this. Frankly I’d rather PP forgot about earwicga and moved on. But there you go. There she is, in the chums section, immediately below me.

    Kismet, you are not usually this naive?

  14. douglas clark — on 21st September, 2011 at 11:09 am  

    It isn’t a pot shot. It is a bit more accurate, in a journalistic, sort of a way.

    Just saying.

  15. Refresh — on 21st September, 2011 at 12:07 pm  

    Douglas Clark,

    One thing I didn’t feel was that she was a bully.

    Full of certainty in a Miss Jean Brodie sort of way perhaps.

  16. douglas clark — on 21st September, 2011 at 8:51 pm  

    Over sure of herself, is that what you are saying?

    ‘Cause that is how she came across to me and lots of other folk.

    I find it hard to differentiate between a bully and an over confident prick.

    Just saying….

  17. douglas clark — on 21st September, 2011 at 8:57 pm  

    Strange editing restrictions.

    I revised 16 to say:

    Over sure of herself, is that what you are saying?

    ‘Cause that is how she came across to me and lots of other folk.

    I find it hard to differentiate between a bully and an over confident prick.

    Just saying….

    Perhaps earwicga as a commentator would have been OK. Earwicga as God’s gift? Not so much..

    Odd that that wasn’t allowed….

  18. halima — on 22nd September, 2011 at 8:47 am  

    Intrigued Sunny, look forward to it!

  19. Vikrant — on 22nd September, 2011 at 12:56 pm  

    Bleddy hell! Your down with the startup bug too? Move out here to Palo Alto then :) !

  20. Wibble — on 22nd September, 2011 at 6:00 pm  

    Wouldn’t be a Policy Discussion Platform would it? Now, where could you have got that idea from… ?

  21. Refresh — on 22nd September, 2011 at 6:08 pm  

    ‘Wouldn’t be a Policy Discussion Platform would it?’

    I sincerely hope not.

  22. Sunny — on 22nd September, 2011 at 6:22 pm  

    lol – no discussion forums, thankfully.

    thanks for all your comments and kind words!

    It now looks like I might be slightly delayed as my bloody hand is somewhat damaged and needs time to recover. Even typing is a pain…

  23. AbuF — on 22nd September, 2011 at 10:01 pm  

    I thought I owed you guys an explanation at least for the pitiful lack of content.

    Well, we have been waiting quite a while.

    my bloody hand is somewhat damaged and needs time to recover.

    There is a down-side to masturbation, yes.

  24. persephone — on 22nd September, 2011 at 11:11 pm  

    Earwicga was a force. Yes she did not take any prisoners – in quite a few cases I don’t blame her. I thought it made the site more interesting having a variety of people/styles (mod or no).

    Bring back Earwicga!

  25. Wibble — on 22nd September, 2011 at 11:23 pm  

    Refresh – I was making a cheeky reference to copying what Shamit already does, although I suspect I’d get the same response.

    “There is a down-side to masturbation, yes.”

    AbuF – I think that you’ve explained why the Spittoon has so many cross posts. :)

  26. douglas clark — on 23rd September, 2011 at 10:12 am  

    persephone,

    I read your comment as ‘Earwicga was a farce.’

    Feel free to bring back Earwicga. Just don’t give her any authority beyond the words she writes….

    That would be fair, don’tcha think?

  27. douglas clark — on 23rd September, 2011 at 10:34 am  

    AbuF,

    There is a down-side to masturbation, yes.

    Didn’t you used to write here once upon a time when everyone was a bit more friendly and no-one wrote about masturbation?

    Perhaps there used to be a more sane person than the idiot that now speaks under the moniker AbuF.

    That, sadly bitter, and sadly twisted new person.

    It is a bit unfortunate that you have forgotten who you were and are now the leavings of a Viz comic book on the cutting room floor.

    The character that you have become just isn’t even interesting. It is a thug with added stupidity. You really are a bit of a tit.

    It’s up to you son.

    You really need to wash your mouth out with carbolic soap. You also need to grow the fuck up.

    Just sayin’

  28. Wibble — on 23rd September, 2011 at 10:58 am  

    The real goal is to make a fortune and then bankroll the BDL (Bhangra Defence League). Sunny would then pay to bus in folks who’d attended Sikh weddings to don garish costumes and dance to Apna Sangeet tunes wherever non-Bhangra dancing took place (although, stick dancing places would be avoided).

    Jai “BDL ’til I die” could lead the dancing and Rumbold could lead the Awkward Non-Punjabi division.

  29. Optimist — on 23rd September, 2011 at 12:05 pm  

    Wibble-

    You are so behind times. Bhangra is so yesterday!

    Its BOL now (Bhangra Off Limits) or Masala Bhangra.

    Perhaps Sunny has invented ‘Pickled Bhangra’ and he wants to cash it in now!!

  30. Wibble — on 23rd September, 2011 at 12:41 pm  

    “You are so behind times.”

    That statement is far truer than you could imagine!

  31. Shamit — on 23rd September, 2011 at 6:13 pm  

    “Refresh – I was making a cheeky reference to copying what Shamit already does, although I suspect I’d get the same response.”

    Spot on Wibble -

  32. KJB — on 24th September, 2011 at 11:56 am  

    I’ve already wished you well, Sunny, but I will once more… and I hope your new project gives you a metaphorical change of scenery! I hope your hand heals OK!

    Rumbold could lead the Awkward Non-Punjabi division.

    LOL, don’t be fooled. Rumbold is an honorary Punjabi and frankly, he feels the call of bhangra more than I do!

  33. damon — on 24th September, 2011 at 5:29 pm  

    Can’t we have some ”Killer Questions for the EDL” in the meantime?

  34. Don — on 24th September, 2011 at 5:58 pm  

    I thought you were out asking them, Damon.

  35. Don — on 24th September, 2011 at 6:02 pm  

    As for Sunny’s project…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaLjwSpZ6Cs

    We have a right to know.

  36. Don — on 24th September, 2011 at 6:08 pm  

    And just because it’s Saturday, bonus.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8X_RjblHg8&feature=related

  37. damon — on 24th September, 2011 at 7:26 pm  

    I thought you were out asking them, Damon.
    No, I’m banned apparently. I’d suggested it was all a bit OTT.

  38. damon — on 25th September, 2011 at 11:44 am  

    My post @37 wasn’t quite right. But what I mean by it is that it should be OK to look at some of the analysis that PP has put foreward on the EDL without being ‘banned’.
    This speech by the mayor of Tower Hamlets shows how getting too worked up and shrill can lead to a situation where one’s whole position becomes ridiculous and incestuous.
    http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=8475

    And by ‘incestuous’ I mean for example, using 27 links in an OP about the EDL… and not accepting even mild criticism of that. Who the heck cares about a handfull of oddball nobodies in the ”Jewish Division” of the EDL? No one should – and it should be OK to say so.

  39. Don — on 25th September, 2011 at 12:52 pm  

    Damon, why is it when nobody is discussing the EDL you insist on bringing them up and telling us to ignore them. It’s rather obsessive.

  40. damon — on 25th September, 2011 at 2:52 pm  

    Don, I do kind of apologise. It’s what happens when there’s heavy handed management of debate. It could be about any subject.
    My point isn’t really about the EDL at all. It’s about how debate is conducted. I think moderators throwing their weight around without good cause does their reputation no good. It can happen very easily on these discussion boards, and is why one looks for the better ones. I can only guess, as he never gave a genuine reason, that the mod in question didn’t like having his ”Fifty Questions for the BNP” type OP’s being called a bit daft and OTT.
    But I’ve found since I first wrote any posts on PP, saying something like that just confuses some people. And that they just can’t really get that kind of point, and so presume the worst. I’ve been called a BNP supporter and a hater of muslims by more than half a dozen people on Pickled Politics. Including one moderator.
    Is that right? I’ve never really complained about it too much.
    If you think what I say here is worthless and I should just shut up – fair enough. PP was pretty good though I remember. A lot of interesting people stopped commentating.

  41. Don — on 25th September, 2011 at 6:44 pm  

    Damon,

    You get deleted by Jai because he has concluded that you are a concern troll and trolls get deleted. Basic house-keeping.

    I am not as convinced that you are a troll, but I can see the reasoning. As I believe I have mentioned before.

    I don’t think you confuse people, Damon. You may annoy them (I can only speak for myself and we’ve already covered that) but you don’t confuse them. You give yourself fsr too much credit.

    I’ve never really complained about it too much.

    To a given value of ‘Too much.’

    If you think what I say here is worthless and I should just shut up – fair enough.

    I don’t think you should just shut up.

  42. damon — on 25th September, 2011 at 8:55 pm  

    Gosh Don, you’re so laid back it’s hard to know where you stand on anything.
    Of course I’m going to ”annoy” some people, when you have ranges of opinion and understanding. There are some very dim people who comment here. Optimist, Jamal, Joe90, and our Scottish friend. There’s also some very clever and astute people too.

    You never said though if you think I was out of order for saying (things like) I wasn’t so impressed with those tour de force anti-fascist OP’s for which I am now banned from commenting on.

    And maybe it is trolling or unwelcome comment on a thread, when saying that will deflect from the goal at hand. Bashing the ‘fascists’.

    And btw, the people I mentioned are incapable of understanding anything but the most basic of ideas.
    So maybe it is a pointless derailment on my part, to question the value getting too fixated on the likes of the BNP or EDL for example. And that banning someone making these annoying comments is the right thing to do.

  43. persephone — on 25th September, 2011 at 10:10 pm  

    Douglas @26

    ” Just don’t give her any authority beyond the words she writes….That would be fair, don’tcha think? ”

    Its up to the site owners, I expect they leave each to devise their own sense of moderation particularly on any OP’s they write which seems fair. In that vein if you don’t like their Op/moderation you can choose not to comment.

  44. Don — on 25th September, 2011 at 10:20 pm  

    Gosh Don, you’re so laid back it’s hard to know where you stand on anything.

    Sorry. I’ll try to make it easier for you.

  45. Optimist — on 25th September, 2011 at 11:01 pm  

    damon @ 40 -

    … It can happen very easily on these discussion boards, and is why one looks for the better ones….

    Please don’t raise our hopes unnecessarily that you would soon piss off!

  46. douglas clark — on 25th September, 2011 at 11:59 pm  

    persephone,

    You say:

    Its up to the site owners, I expect they leave each to devise their own sense of moderation particularly on any OP’s they write which seems fair. In that vein if you don’t like their Op/moderation you can choose not to comment.

    Yeah, well.

    It would be a boringly dominatrix sort of web site that invoked that principle. It sure as hell wouldn’t be Pickled Politics. It would be like being back in primary one and y’know, just assuming, that teacher knew best. In fact it would hopefully have no audience whatsoever.

    Don’t Cha think?

    What is it with you and authority persephone? Do you like being so… so…conventional? Bullys should be called out – no matter what apparent status they have.

    What would make you stand up and declare against an author here? Anything? Anything at all?

    Frankly you believe in a hierarchy that I would prefer to reject.

    ________________________________________

    Man or mouse boy, what’s it gonna be?

    It was cold and lonely in the deep dark night, I could see Paradise by the dashboard light…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK-FRac7m58

    Relevant? Probably not, but it’s a fun song….

  47. damon — on 26th September, 2011 at 11:45 am  

    Optimist, you’re just a SWP-like drone and would drag this site down into boring mediocrity. Be honest – are you a party member or supporter of theirs? Or some other PC left rubbish group?

    This is kind of interesting.
    http://hurryupharry.org/2011/09/24/east-london-pride/

  48. Optimist — on 26th September, 2011 at 4:51 pm  

    damon -

    never mind about me but we know you are a ‘concern troll’.

    I agree with Peter Tatchell and I think the Muslim organisations should have been invited. Some people have commented that they should have turned up to support regardless. Maybe, but I don’t think the bridge building has gone far enough yet for that to happen. But I see signs of progress.

  49. kevin — on 26th September, 2011 at 5:16 pm  

    Congrats to Sunny for finding productive time by not getting high on his own supply.

    Unlike the rest of the saddoes here.

  50. douglas clark — on 26th September, 2011 at 9:44 pm  

    Silence from persephone,

    why I am unsurprised?

  51. Nevermind — on 26th September, 2011 at 10:41 pm  

    …the pitiful lack of content.

    A blessed relief, that, to be sure.

  52. damon — on 27th September, 2011 at 2:57 pm  

    never mind about me but we know you are a ‘concern troll’.

    Well if someone said that, then it must be true.

    Btw, you see that nice Dr Tahir ul-Qadri that just got praised in the latest thread?
    He’s only a supporter of Pakistan’s blasphemy laws.

    http://wn.com/Blasphemy_Laws__Dr_Tahir-ul-Qadri_speaks_about_the_Blasphemy_Law_and_Lawlessness_of_Pakistan

    According to someone on Harry’s Place, he even helped shape them.

  53. Sarah AB — on 27th September, 2011 at 4:42 pm  

    Damon – he was praised in an HP guest post and then criticised by a commenter. I haven’t been following this very closely but it seems he has said/done some very positive things, and apparently also some more unwelcome things too, which I believe the guest writer wasn’t aware of.

  54. Don — on 27th September, 2011 at 10:54 pm  

    ‘Unwelcome things’ are a frequent by-product of a religious viewpoint, however urbane.

  55. persephone — on 27th September, 2011 at 11:16 pm  

    Hi Douglas

    Delayed response I’m afraid been busy at work – I spose that makes me look as if i am kowtowing to authority … or merely keeping myself supplied with nail polish.

    ‘What would make you stand up and declare against an author here?’ If they spouted nonsense & then I would not waste my time. I’d only declare against those who are preventing or disguising the truth & most authors here seem to have the right intent (even if I may not agree with their opinions)

    If anything Earwicga was the most unconventional author here but you seem to object to that?

    ‘Frankly you believe in a hierarchy that I would prefer to reject.’ All because I think Earwicga took a different approach & should be allowed to do so – I’d hate moderation to be so standardised because that in itself is hierachy (and boring as it would prevent their personality showing thru’).

    And because I want to encourage female authors on here to avoid a different kind of hierachy.

    My position on authority is that if you reach a position of authority it means you can enact change – sometimes to hierachy.

  56. damon — on 28th September, 2011 at 10:37 pm  

    ‘Unwelcome things’ are a frequent by-product of a religious viewpoint, however urbane.

    Indeed. So should one be pleased when 12,000 Muslims attend a confernce led by this man?

    ”Another Face of Tahir ul Qadri”
    http://hurryupharry.org/2011/09/28/another-face-of-tahir-ul-qadri/

    It’s Harry’s Place – and so it might be all wrong. But still, it should be looked into.
    Did he help shaft the Ahmadi’s in Pakistan when (if) he was shaping the blasphemy laws in the 80s?

    It’s not good enough to promote the death penalty for blasphemy and stoning for adultery, and then blame corrupt police and personal grievances and disputes for the misuse those laws, as he clearly does.

  57. Don — on 28th September, 2011 at 10:52 pm  

    Damon.

    I agree. The questioner in that clip was wrong to highlight misuse of those laws. Their true horror is in their proper use.

  58. Sarah AB — on 29th September, 2011 at 12:45 am  

    damon – the initial positive post on HP was written by someone who is (I assume) Muslim – he was disappointed to learn this stuff about blasphemy laws. As this was billed as a ‘peace and humanity’ conference and Qadri has issued a fatwa against terrorism – it doesn’t reflect badly, as far as I can see, on anyone who attended.

  59. damon — on 29th September, 2011 at 2:31 pm  

    – it doesn’t reflect badly, as far as I can see, on anyone who attended.

    I agree. They’re probably no better or worse than the quite catholic members of my extended family in Ireland. Still, if he is a supporter of the blasphemy laws, that’s not very good at all. But as we know, to even speak out against them can get you killed.
    But there does come a point where claiming ignorance isn’t a good enough excuse. It didn’t take long for people to know every last thing about the leadership of the EDL, so why not this chap?

    I think it’s a pity that there’s no cross-over between PP and Harry’s Place any more, because, as much as I dislike some of it’s stance – and many of it’s bellow the line commentators are ”very hawkish” (to say the least) – it means that important stories like this one are getting overlooked.
    http://hurryupharry.org/2011/09/26/the-east-london-mosque-cageprisoners-welcome/

  60. douglas clark — on 29th September, 2011 at 7:46 pm  

    Persephone @ 55,

    I was just interested in your ideas.

    If anything Earwicga was the most unconventional author here but you seem to object to that?

    I just think you are as important a person around here as anyone else. It isn’t about being unconventional exactly, it is about you having as much of a right to speak here without being silenced, or silent. Just because of other folk.

    Seems to me.

  61. damon — on 3rd October, 2011 at 12:00 pm  

    Yaxley-Lennon is a nobody.
    Just as well I’m banned from saying so.

  62. Refresh — on 3rd October, 2011 at 2:07 pm  

    Jai,

    Could you please do us all a favour and open a creche for Damon?

    I am not one for victorian-era etiquette but in this case ‘seen but not heard’ might be a blessing.

  63. damon — on 3rd October, 2011 at 5:37 pm  

    There you have it folks. You can decide for yourself what you make of that. I take a different view on things to Jai. He’s the moderator.
    I think that fussing about the EDL and the BNP is not the right thing to do. They aren’t THAT important.
    I can’t remember the last time I saw some actual BNP members. Though I did see some BNP stickers near where I live last week. OMG. What should I do? Call the police? Call out the Anti Nazi League?
    Jai has made it clear that he is just not going to have a discussion about that or anything to do with whether he’s way OTT on twats like Yaxley-Lennon or the Sikh EDL idiot.
    To my mind it’s making a mountain out of a molehill.
    Of course you are going to get people of the football hooligan mentality not liking aspects of the modern multi-cultural society. Many of them say that they are not particularly racist, but it’s the alternative culture and ‘tribalist’ nature of it that they don’t like. Click on the youtubes of Pakistan cricket fans celebrating in the streets of Luton and Birmingham and you will see what probably gets up their noses. Whole neighbourhoods where the ”hegemony” of the area belongs to people who the football hooligans don’t have a natural rapport with.
    The same with the East London Mosque. How are EDL people to rationalise Cageprisoners being welcomed there for a fundraising event, when CP are so clearly in support of Jihadists and terrorists? That you get a handful of nobodies speaking out about it and being able to build soething out of the internet and the football hooligan network shouldn’t be that surprising. About as surprising (though regrettable) that there was sustained and organised opposition in New York to the ”Ground Zero Mosque”. ie – not surprising at all under the circumstances.
    My point has been though, that the individuals involved are the LEAST interesting thing about these islamophobic and racist campaigns.

    I understand that an opinion like that might not be to everyone’s taste – as traditional ”anti-fascism” is quite strong on PP, but IMO, it’s a fair opinion too.
    Not one that should be supresssed. I used to consider myself a lefty, but it’s been a few years now since I could say that, because the liberal and anti-fascist, anti-racist left is just not good enough. And is too sectarian and censorious.

  64. Don — on 3rd October, 2011 at 10:43 pm  

    I think that fussing about the EDL and the BNP is not the right thing to do.

    Then stop doing it. Arguing about an OP is pretty much the point of this sort of site, but arguing that the OP as so unimportant that it should not have been posted at all is not actually engaging.

    Constantly insisting that the topic people are discussing is too trivial to bother with, even when they aren’t discussing it, doesn’t take the discussion anywhere.

    You have made your perspective of the EDL clear, no need to keep repeating yourself. Other people are discussing it from a different perspective.

    Do you ever discuss anything other than the topic you insist is not worth discussing?

  65. damon — on 4th October, 2011 at 3:11 am  

    The way that you frame your comments Don makes replying here quite difficult. My point was a quite a simple one. That I think Yaxley-Lennon is just a jumped up football hooligan. Do you think he is much more than that? I don’t know as I can’t really remember what you’ve said.

    Is it wrong for me to make such a simple point? Or that now that I’ve made it, that should be it?
    Because no one’s interested in my ”odd opinion”, and regular readers actually prefer it the way that Jai has presented the EDL conspiracy?
    So what I’m doing is trolling, in the same way like someone going on to a Conservative Party supporting website and saying that they didn’t think much of Margaret Thatcher?

    If things are to be so cut and dried as that, and what people want to do mostly when it comes to the EDL, is respond like Optimist and Douglas Clark do, and applaud such OP’s and say the kind of things you’d hear on Hope not Hate’s website – then fair enough.

    In my opinion that is dictating and shaping opinion and comment way too far though. Particularly when criticism of (what I call) official anti-fascism should not only be quite legitimate, but also necessary, if you are to retain a level-headed view on these things.
    You seem to be saying Don, that PP has heard that view, is bored with it, won’t discuss it any further, and indeed a mod is (reasonably) asking people to ”send me to Coventry”.

    Again that’s fair enough. But it’s a poor argumet, and one would have hoped for better. Btw, Don, it’s not me making the OPs on these nobodies – and I think my criticism has been quite mild and measured.

    ”Do you ever discuss anything other than the topic you insist is not worth discussing?”

    That is just disingenuous. I have commented on loads of different subjects on PP – and I do not say the topic is not worth discussing. It is most certainly worth discussing. The discussion has been too heavily moderated IMO though. Like you’d expect with the SWP or Respect or something.

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