<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Another cartoon row?</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344</link>
	<description>Current affairs for a progressive generation</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 17:02:53 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Pickled Politics &#187; Jews and Sikhs as a race</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78887</link>
		<dc:creator>Pickled Politics &#187; Jews and Sikhs as a race</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 16:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78887</guid>
		<description>[...] agrees with that later: Jews are a very loosely related people, or a nation - sort of like a very very loosely [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] agrees with that later: Jews are a very loosely related people, or a nation &#8211; sort of like a very very loosely [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: sahil</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78882</link>
		<dc:creator>sahil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78882</guid>
		<description>&quot;Fair, but also, in my book, demonstrates why Jesus was special, because he DIDNâ€™T say

Love thy neighbour, but if he steals your oxen smite the B****r.

Instead he said turn the other cheek. &quot;

And what did his followers do, murder all the pagans in the EU, not to mentions go off on what, oh yes the Crusades.  Just because you quote nicer lines, means little to how religious texts are interpreted.  The Bible, Torah and Quran are no different from each other in terms of how people should go about understanding them.  PS the Quran also has a lot of fluffy stuff, why don&#039;t you post those lines up as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fair, but also, in my book, demonstrates why Jesus was special, because he DIDNâ€™T say</p>
<p>Love thy neighbour, but if he steals your oxen smite the B****r.</p>
<p>Instead he said turn the other cheek. &#8221;</p>
<p>And what did his followers do, murder all the pagans in the EU, not to mentions go off on what, oh yes the Crusades.  Just because you quote nicer lines, means little to how religious texts are interpreted.  The Bible, Torah and Quran are no different from each other in terms of how people should go about understanding them.  PS the Quran also has a lot of fluffy stuff, why don&#8217;t you post those lines up as well?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78881</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78881</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Instead he said turn the other cheek.

Which is what made his teaching revolutionary and timeless.&lt;/i&gt;

Really, have you read the rest of the Bible or is copying and pasting your only skill?

If you really wanted love and peace, you&#039;d be a Sikh :)

&lt;i&gt;Not that iâ€™m an evangelist or anything. Actually, Iâ€™m a unitarian &lt;/i&gt;

you come across as annoying more than anything really. This thread has served its purpose now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Instead he said turn the other cheek.</p>
<p>Which is what made his teaching revolutionary and timeless.</i></p>
<p>Really, have you read the rest of the Bible or is copying and pasting your only skill?</p>
<p>If you really wanted love and peace, you&#8217;d be a Sikh <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><i>Not that iâ€™m an evangelist or anything. Actually, Iâ€™m a unitarian </i></p>
<p>you come across as annoying more than anything really. This thread has served its purpose now.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Boyo</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78880</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78880</guid>
		<description>anyway, sorry but i&#039;m off for a haircut. have fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyway, sorry but i&#8217;m off for a haircut. have fun!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Boyo</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78879</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78879</guid>
		<description>and sorry, i don&#039;t buy that &quot;he woz our prophet too&quot;, cos frankly from what i understand (and i grant you not a great deal) he didn&#039;t add anything new. Indeed he turned the clock back (see above). 

Not that i&#039;m an evangelist or anything. Actually, I&#039;m a unitarian ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and sorry, i don&#8217;t buy that &#8220;he woz our prophet too&#8221;, cos frankly from what i understand (and i grant you not a great deal) he didn&#8217;t add anything new. Indeed he turned the clock back (see above). </p>
<p>Not that i&#8217;m an evangelist or anything. Actually, I&#8217;m a unitarian <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: j0nz</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78878</link>
		<dc:creator>j0nz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78878</guid>
		<description>The point is Sofia, 1. the stuff is in the quran, you really dont need to make it up 2. that really wouldnt matter if many weren&#039;t seeking to take it literally and applying this stuff to todays world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is Sofia, 1. the stuff is in the quran, you really dont need to make it up 2. that really wouldnt matter if many weren&#8217;t seeking to take it literally and applying this stuff to todays world.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sofia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78877</link>
		<dc:creator>Sofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78877</guid>
		<description>lol @ ducks for cover...well maybe if you want a whole thread on this verse I could sit down with you and discuss it properly within context (of revelation, time and interpretation)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol @ ducks for cover&#8230;well maybe if you want a whole thread on this verse I could sit down with you and discuss it properly within context (of revelation, time and interpretation)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Boyo</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78876</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78876</guid>
		<description>Also to read the Quran in isolation of the societal and economic context of the region at that time, is just plain stupid...

Fair, but also, in my book, demonstrates why Jesus was special, because he DIDN&#039;T say 

Love thy neighbour, but if he steals your oxen smite the B****r. 

Instead he said turn the other cheek. 

Which is what made his teaching revolutionary and timeless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also to read the Quran in isolation of the societal and economic context of the region at that time, is just plain stupid&#8230;</p>
<p>Fair, but also, in my book, demonstrates why Jesus was special, because he DIDN&#8217;T say </p>
<p>Love thy neighbour, but if he steals your oxen smite the B****r. </p>
<p>Instead he said turn the other cheek. </p>
<p>Which is what made his teaching revolutionary and timeless.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sofia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78875</link>
		<dc:creator>Sofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78875</guid>
		<description>boyo...as I don&#039;t want people to accuse me of having my own agenda (as I think Hirsi has herself) in putting my opinion down, I&#039;ll leave you to pick up a translation and read for yourself...how about trying that..it might be a bit more informative than anything I can argue...there has to be mutual respect for something to be debated properly..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>boyo&#8230;as I don&#8217;t want people to accuse me of having my own agenda (as I think Hirsi has herself) in putting my opinion down, I&#8217;ll leave you to pick up a translation and read for yourself&#8230;how about trying that..it might be a bit more informative than anything I can argue&#8230;there has to be mutual respect for something to be debated properly..</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: j0nz</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78874</link>
		<dc:creator>j0nz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78874</guid>
		<description>Sofia, people seem to get really angry here when I quote the Quran. Such is the effect of the holy book :) 
try the  first verse

verse 41: 8:41 And know that whatever ye take as spoils of war, lo! a fifth thereof is for Allah, and for the messenger and for the kinsman

Pillaging! There&#039;s one a one or two about possesing women captives etc...  

Look this is all very out of context etc. But it&#039;s there. Along with the nice peaceful stuff. Honestly. Pity about abrogation though to deal with contradictions in the quran...

Ducks for cover</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sofia, people seem to get really angry here when I quote the Quran. Such is the effect of the holy book <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
try the  first verse</p>
<p>verse 41: 8:41 And know that whatever ye take as spoils of war, lo! a fifth thereof is for Allah, and for the messenger and for the kinsman</p>
<p>Pillaging! There&#8217;s one a one or two about possesing women captives etc&#8230;  </p>
<p>Look this is all very out of context etc. But it&#8217;s there. Along with the nice peaceful stuff. Honestly. Pity about abrogation though to deal with contradictions in the quran&#8230;</p>
<p>Ducks for cover</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: sahil</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78873</link>
		<dc:creator>sahil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78873</guid>
		<description>&quot;Sahil, the Taliban, for starters.&quot;

When did the Taliban invade the UK? 

&quot;i mean, most of todayâ€™s current muslims ancestors were not the converted but the conquored were they not?&quot;

Like any other faith. Christianity was not exactly pleasant for pagans, religions and beliefs come and go. Also to read the Quran in isolation of the societal and economic context of the region at that time, is just plain stupid, the same again as any other historical examination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sahil, the Taliban, for starters.&#8221;</p>
<p>When did the Taliban invade the UK? </p>
<p>&#8220;i mean, most of todayâ€™s current muslims ancestors were not the converted but the conquored were they not?&#8221;</p>
<p>Like any other faith. Christianity was not exactly pleasant for pagans, religions and beliefs come and go. Also to read the Quran in isolation of the societal and economic context of the region at that time, is just plain stupid, the same again as any other historical examination.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Boyo</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78872</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78872</guid>
		<description>well aint it da truth? pleased to find otherwise, honestly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well aint it da truth? pleased to find otherwise, honestly.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sofia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78869</link>
		<dc:creator>Sofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78869</guid>
		<description>ugh@ boyo...yeh and coming from hirsi that&#039;s obviously the case right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ugh@ boyo&#8230;yeh and coming from hirsi that&#8217;s obviously the case right?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bleh</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78868</link>
		<dc:creator>Bleh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78868</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;Ok assuming you are correct and the message was for the Prophets and their families. Those people were of Middle Eastern descent. So how did the European Jews ie. white skinned and blue/green eyes become Jewish? Did they convert? They are not from the familiy of the prophets or are they?&lt;/i&gt;

Oh dear, not this again.

Tell you what, Natty, line me up (Celtic heritage) against say, a Persian and an Ayrian from North India. Tenner says you won&#039;t be able to tell the difference in our skin colours or eye colours.

Sahil, the Taliban, for starters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Ok assuming you are correct and the message was for the Prophets and their families. Those people were of Middle Eastern descent. So how did the European Jews ie. white skinned and blue/green eyes become Jewish? Did they convert? They are not from the familiy of the prophets or are they?</i></p>
<p>Oh dear, not this again.</p>
<p>Tell you what, Natty, line me up (Celtic heritage) against say, a Persian and an Ayrian from North India. Tenner says you won&#8217;t be able to tell the difference in our skin colours or eye colours.</p>
<p>Sahil, the Taliban, for starters.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Boyo</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78867</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78867</guid>
		<description>isn&#039;t it like ayaan hirst ali says that most muslims don&#039;t read the koran so just think it full of good stuff. it is only if you actually read it that it is revealed to be a war-like tome? 

surely this is why it was such an effective handbook for world domination? i mean, most of today&#039;s current muslims ancestors were not the converted but the conquored were they not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isn&#8217;t it like ayaan hirst ali says that most muslims don&#8217;t read the koran so just think it full of good stuff. it is only if you actually read it that it is revealed to be a war-like tome? </p>
<p>surely this is why it was such an effective handbook for world domination? i mean, most of today&#8217;s current muslims ancestors were not the converted but the conquored were they not?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78866</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78866</guid>
		<description>&lt;em&gt;Why would Evangelical Christians, who believe that Jesus and the New Testament rendered the Old testament obsolete, wan to implement Old Testament Laws?&lt;/em&gt;

Because Christ was not a Law maker and if anything His message was still rooted in Mosaic law. &quot;Thou Shalt Not Kill&quot; is not specifically an Old Testament law, its very much universal. Although only &quot;Thou Shalt Not Covet They Neighbour&#039;s Ass&quot; only applies to gay people. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Why would Evangelical Christians, who believe that Jesus and the New Testament rendered the Old testament obsolete, wan to implement Old Testament Laws?</em></p>
<p>Because Christ was not a Law maker and if anything His message was still rooted in Mosaic law. &#8220;Thou Shalt Not Kill&#8221; is not specifically an Old Testament law, its very much universal. Although only &#8220;Thou Shalt Not Covet They Neighbour&#8217;s Ass&#8221; only applies to gay people. <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sofia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78863</link>
		<dc:creator>Sofia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78863</guid>
		<description>obscurantist? islam or muslims?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obscurantist? islam or muslims?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: sahil</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78862</link>
		<dc:creator>sahil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78862</guid>
		<description>Will check it out Bananabrain, but frankly the only knowledge I have of Islam is from my family.  But if these idiots really believe half of the crap that you mentioned, its a good thing that I didn&#039;t have any interest in going to these religious classes taught by &quot;highly&quot; knowledgeable scholars (SIC!!!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will check it out Bananabrain, but frankly the only knowledge I have of Islam is from my family.  But if these idiots really believe half of the crap that you mentioned, its a good thing that I didn&#8217;t have any interest in going to these religious classes taught by &#8220;highly&#8221; knowledgeable scholars (SIC!!!).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: j0nz</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78861</link>
		<dc:creator>j0nz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78861</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;The ignorance on this board never ceases to amaze me.

Why would Evangelical Christians, who believe that Jesus and the New Testament rendered the Old testament obsolete, wan to implement Old Testament Laws?

Really.&lt;/i&gt;

Touche.

&quot;Current media usage of the term (especially in the United States), is often synonymous with conservative Protestant Christians.&quot;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism

Surely by your ignant assed ideologically based understanding of &quot;Christian&quot; you would be completely unable to explain how Texas has the highest number of executions. Where&#039;s the teachings of christ? It&#039;s not. Yes it&#039;s effed up. But many on the Christian right live more by the old testament morals of an eye for an eye than of love and compassion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The ignorance on this board never ceases to amaze me.</p>
<p>Why would Evangelical Christians, who believe that Jesus and the New Testament rendered the Old testament obsolete, wan to implement Old Testament Laws?</p>
<p>Really.</i></p>
<p>Touche.</p>
<p>&#8220;Current media usage of the term (especially in the United States), is often synonymous with conservative Protestant Christians.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism</a></p>
<p>Surely by your ignant assed ideologically based understanding of &#8220;Christian&#8221; you would be completely unable to explain how Texas has the highest number of executions. Where&#8217;s the teachings of christ? It&#8217;s not. Yes it&#8217;s effed up. But many on the Christian right live more by the old testament morals of an eye for an eye than of love and compassion!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Boyo</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78860</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1344#comment-78860</guid>
		<description>So how did the European Jews ie. white skinned and blue/green eyes become Jewish?

Cossaks. Hence judaism passed through the female line. 

What about African Jews? How did they become Jewish?

Weren&#039;t they the ones that never left egypt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how did the European Jews ie. white skinned and blue/green eyes become Jewish?</p>
<p>Cossaks. Hence judaism passed through the female line. </p>
<p>What about African Jews? How did they become Jewish?</p>
<p>Weren&#8217;t they the ones that never left egypt?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

