More extremist posters in east London


by Sunny
19th July, 2011 at 9:10 am    

Pink News reports that more homophobic posters have surfaced in East London.

It states: “You are entering a Shariah controlled zone. Islamic rules enforced”
It then depicts pictures illustrating that smoking, alcohol, music, drugs, prostitution and porn are forbidden.

Tower Hamlets council say they are looking into it already, but I hope the East London Mosque will also take a more pro-active stance.

Update: Muslims Against Crusades (Anjem Choudhary’s lot) are behind it.

East London Mosque have got in touch with me to say;
1. Members of our staff spotted the posters (that are stuck on and extremely hard to remove).
2. Photographs of the posters were taken and sent to local Police liaisons.
3. The Tower Hamlets Council was also immediately notified by us and Police to have them removed.
4. Posters were removed the very next day, but since then, some more may have gone up.


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  1. sunny hundal

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    Urgh. Horrible RT @sunny_hundal Blogged: : More homophobic posters in east London http://t.co/fsX3xP5


  6. Dànaidh Ratnaike

    @sunny_hundal poster described as homophobic but no mention of being gay. Still of concern but why spread inaccuracy? http://bit.ly/oGnH6z


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    RT @sunny_hundal: Blogged: : More homophobic posters in east London http://bit.ly/nrnLOT


  12. Ed West

    RT @sunny_hundal Blogged: : More homophobic posters in east London http://t.co/g4USS0l >> that could be a Dept of Health campaign poster


  13. Monro

    RT @sunny_hundal Blogged: : More homophobic posters in east London http://t.co/g4USS0l >> that could be a Dept of Health campaign poster


  14. Lauren G

    RT @sunny_hundal: More homophobic posters in east London http://t.co/sf3Zt1R // Can't believe this isn't an EDL front. And 'homophobic'?


  15. Graham de Montrose

    perhaps @Sunny_Hundal would like to explain what exactly is "homophobic"in this poster? Extremist certainly @EdWestOnline http://j.mp/ntFTxw


  16. Peter Martin

    RT @sunny_hundal Blogged: : More homophobic posters in east London http://t.co/g4USS0l >> that could be a Dept of Health campaign poster


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  1. Danny — on 19th July, 2011 at 9:24 am  

    Is it accurate to describe this as homophobic?

    I expect it’s likely to be implied, but it seems to concern itself with anything that the writer perceives to contravene sharia law without explicitly saying anything about being gay.

    Still disturbing and clearly needs to be addressed, but isn’t it worth getting the specifics right on this?

  2. Robert — on 19th July, 2011 at 10:13 am  

    These are ripe for a comedy remix by some enlightened, creative individuals, surely.

    “You are entering a sharia controlled zone, no IQs above 50″ etcetera.

  3. damon — on 19th July, 2011 at 10:28 am  

    It’s just kids, or people with the mentality of kids.
    It shouldn’t be taken any more seriously than stupid and offensive grafitti.

  4. hoxtonFTW — on 19th July, 2011 at 10:28 am  

    The EDL and right wing press will be gleeing and rubbing their hands together.

  5. Lamia — on 19th July, 2011 at 10:29 am  

    The culprit behind these posters is indicated in the article and won’t have surprised anyone following the news in recent days:

    “The latest posters are identical to ones found in Waltham Forest and Newham.

    Islamic preacher Anjem Choudary, who said in 2008 that gays should be stoned to death, has claimed responsibility for the campaign.

    [...]

    A police spokeswoman said: “We are aware of a limit [sic] number of posters appearing in Waltham Forest, Tower Hamlets and Newham.

    “Officers are working closely with the local authority to have the posters removed as soon as possible.””

    Well they know who is responsible, so can we expect to see Anjem Choudary arrested for flyposting? He would be arrestable for seditious libel, but of course the last government abolished the sedition law last year. It decided the best course in the face of insurrectionist Islamists like Choudary is to lie down and let themselves be walked over.

    So the police will put their heads back in the sand, and the man who almost single-handedly ‘inspired’ the rise of the EDL will be free to keep doing whatever the hell he wants.

    “isn’t it worth getting the specifics right on this?”

    Perhaps it is a sly dig to get people like Damon and saying again that accusations of homophobia in Tower Hamlets are exaggerated, inaccurate, etc.

  6. Lamia — on 19th July, 2011 at 10:31 am  

    Oh, I see Damon had already obliged with yet another of his moronic comments.

  7. jamal — on 19th July, 2011 at 10:36 am  

    what does this have to do with east london mosque?

    if burglary is committed do you want east london mosque to do something about that to? how about car crime!

  8. meatpie — on 19th July, 2011 at 10:39 am  

    Kevan ovendan will be along soon to day its a EDL stunt. He was right the first time wasn’t he?

  9. damon — on 19th July, 2011 at 11:57 am  

    Lamia. What do you want to do about a silly poster that ”forbids” smoking, alcohol, music, drugs, prostitution and porn? Get the police on to them? And then what? This is like those post code gang boys who like warn their rivals to stay out of their area. It’s childish stuff.
    The Pink News readers comments are interesting. Some of them are as bad as the islamists.

  10. Lamia — on 19th July, 2011 at 12:09 pm  

    @ Damon

    “What do you want to do about a silly poster that ”forbids” smoking, alcohol, music, drugs, prostitution and porn? Get the police on to them? And then what?”

    Prosecute them for fyposting and public order offences at the least. Those posters are designed to intimidate people. People in Tower Hamlets have been intimidated by Islamists – e.g. women told to cover their heads. Are you denying that, or do you simply think that some people should have the freedom to try and intimidate law-abiding citizens into dressing and behaving in accordance with Sharia Law?

    “The Pink News readers comments are interesting. Some of them are as bad as the islamists.”

    Since you don’t think the Islamists are doing anyhting wrong, it is unclear what you mean here. Once again you are making excuses for the islamists and smearing those they demonise.

    When Pink News readers start putting up ‘Muslim Free zone’ posters on the streets of London, you will have a point. Until then, you are just talking shit – as usual.

  11. Sunny — on 19th July, 2011 at 12:27 pm  

    I’ve changed the title – the reference to homophobic was at Pinknews – though I think its obvious that any ‘sharia controlled zone’ would also be against gays.

  12. Quick question — on 19th July, 2011 at 12:30 pm  

    Jamal @7
    The difference between putting up these posters and a car theft or burglary is that the last two aren’t usually done by people claiming to be speaking on behalf of a religion.

    If the local representatives of that religion don’t condemn this sort of thing then they can hardly complain if some people assume that this means they agree with it.

  13. damon — on 19th July, 2011 at 12:59 pm  

    Lamia, I won’t bother debating your every point as you’re coming across like Douglas, but let me just say that I have no time for Islamists at all.
    Prosecuting for general flyposting seems rather draconian. I’ve been done for it myself in the past. The charge is criminal damage, even when it’s just to promote a concert or event.

  14. Optimist — on 19th July, 2011 at 2:02 pm  

    The article seems to claim that its work of that single-cell brained Anjem Choudary. But whoever is behind it, it’s a disgusting and a divisive campaign.

    The racists and fascist EDL are threatening also to hold a disgusting and a divisive march through Tower Hamlets on 3rd September.

    So, the solution is for thousands of anti-racists, anti-fascists to turn up in east London on that day to support the local community as well as to ‘clean up’ the area by removing such rubbish from the walls, or covering it with anti-fascist posters.

    No doubt the local community would welcome our support and together we could easily see off the fascist scum.

    Afterwards, we could all have a lively carnival where we could try to engage in some (if not all ) of the ‘forbidden’ activities, if only to rub Anjem Choudary’s nose in it.

    I am sure 99% of the local community wouldn’t give a damn about our ‘legal’ activities and many might even want to join in. Thus we could ‘kill two birds with one stone’ – get rid of the fascists as well as those stupid posters!

    I will be there, dear readers, are you going to be there ?

  15. Chris — on 19th July, 2011 at 2:10 pm  

    Hmm, could do with a bit of colour if you want my opinion. Not very imaginitive, take a bit of advice from the gays and add some glitter to make it pop. No? Hmm well good luck with that then.

  16. Optimist — on 19th July, 2011 at 2:37 pm  

    Chris-

    Will do. How about a ‘colourful and lively’ carnival,
    full of glitter!!

  17. Rumbold — on 19th July, 2011 at 2:42 pm  

    I understood the ‘homophobic’ reference to allude to both the previous anti-gay posters and the fact that Sharia law is homophobic. The title seemed reasonable to me given recent events.

  18. Ravi Naik — on 19th July, 2011 at 2:43 pm  

    When Pink News readers start putting up ‘Muslim Free zone’ posters on the streets of London

    I am sorry, but there is a difference between putting up posters saying ‘alcohol-free’ or ‘music-free’ which is hilarious to say the least, and putting up ‘muslim-free’ or ‘gay-free’ zone. The latter is a blatant hate crime.

    I have to agree with Damon on this one – Anjem Choudary is a mental case to the point that he makes such a mockery of Islam that he could be considered a bona-fide Islamophobe.

  19. Kismet Hardy — on 19th July, 2011 at 3:38 pm  

    I’ll bet you a thousand pounds these posters were not put up by Muslims…

    What kind of an extremist pays to print posters but doesn’t promote their organisation?

  20. Lamia — on 19th July, 2011 at 3:42 pm  

    @ Ravi Naik

    “I am sorry, but there is a difference between putting up posters saying ‘alcohol-free’ or ‘music-free’ which is hilarious to say the least, and putting up ‘muslim-free’ or ‘gay-free’ zone. The latter is a blatant hate crime.”

    There’s nothing ‘hilarious’ about Sharia Law. It’s the basis of why gay people in most Muslim countries stand to get imprisoned or executed. The fact that ‘alcohol free’ and ‘music free’ have been added to the previous ‘gay free’ doesn’t make this any better.

    The anti-gay sentiment is implicit in Sharia Controlled Zone, and coming after the Gay Free Zone posters and the disturbing official dissembling and foot-dragging with regard to them and the mockery of a sentence, we have a right to expect that finally the police get their act together and do their job as they are required by law – i.e. arrest and prosecute Choudary and others who put the posters up.

    If they don’t do that, we will have to conclude that the police are giving a special dispensation to Islamists to break the laws that the rest of us have to obey.

  21. Lamia — on 19th July, 2011 at 3:46 pm  

    “I’ll bet you a thousand pounds these posters were not put up by Muslims…”

    Yes, that’s what Kevin Ovenden and co said about the ‘Gay Free Zone’ posters. That was convenient bullshit too.

    Anjme Choudary stated several days ago his group was going to put up such posters. But since when would even a smoking gun like that stop a true conspiracy nut/liar from stating that black is white?

  22. Rumbold — on 19th July, 2011 at 3:57 pm  

    Kismet:

    Anjem is a troublemaker- these sort of posters make trouble. I am not saying he is the one who put it up, but it certainly has achieved the sort of result he wants.

  23. Lamia — on 19th July, 2011 at 4:11 pm  

    “it certainly has achieved the sort of result he wants.”

    Well it’s got the Ovenden Set making up the by now predictable stuff about how this must be a false flag operation, etc. I expect that it amuse Choudary no end to see ‘progressives’ like Kismet Hardy trying to muddy the waters in his defence.

  24. douglas clark — on 19th July, 2011 at 4:40 pm  

    Rumbold,

    It must annoy the hell out of newbies around here.

    I am ridiculously fond of all sorts of fools that comment here. Even that ridiculous Kismet Hardy person.

    Too bloody brainy that one is. It is a bit like being hit on the nonce by someone that is annoyingly better educated than I am.

    ____________________

    Just saying.

    Still, a worthwhile person, I’d have thought.

  25. Rumbold — on 19th July, 2011 at 5:12 pm  

    Douglas:

    I am very fond of many here too (especially you). And I was just disagreeing with Kismet.

  26. douglas clark — on 19th July, 2011 at 5:39 pm  

    Well, he is a heck of an annoying.

    Even him, that ridiculous Kismet Hardy person.

    Who is a pain in the neck. on the grounds that he is more right than he is wrong. It is a bit tough, but Kismet Hardy is a bit of a hero.

    Just saying.

  27. douglas clark — on 19th July, 2011 at 5:47 pm  

    Serious question.

    Does this look a bit like a con?

    I dunno, but frankly this looks a bit obvious. I mean, there are five reasons to get inflamed about.

    And some of the things are a bit silly, perhaps.

    Does any muslim that reads this site think this is truthful?

  28. Kismet Hardy — on 19th July, 2011 at 7:22 pm  

    Me? Ridiculous? Just because I sit here naked everyday with a cake between my legs does not mean I don’t have a point.

    Tower Hill is full of Bangladeshis, a large majority of whom regularly go to mosques and smoke like chimneys. If someone seriously wanted them on their side, they wouldn’t add the no-smoking sign. Not to mention there’s something fabulously unauthentic about a genuine shariah poster that doesn’t praise allah or bust some arabic lyrics. Muslims and imagery don’t really go hand in hand, you might have noticed.

    This is a piss-take poster and you’re silly to fall for it. Right, back to creaming in my cake I go

  29. Kismet Hardy — on 19th July, 2011 at 7:33 pm  

    “I am not saying he is the one who put it up, but it certainly has achieved the sort of result he wants.”

    Remember Gurpal Virdi? The Asian copper who got wrongly sacked for sending racist messages to himself? It made sense to everyone accusing him. You sent them so you could say look! coppers are racist and evil!

    Kinda the same thing here, no?

    Jesus, if I wanted to shit on any organisation, all I have to do is put up posters everywhere promoting it, and highlight its most intolerant attributes to shock and disgust accordingly

  30. douglas clark — on 19th July, 2011 at 8:17 pm  

    Kismet Hardy @ 29, 28, etc…

    Look.

    I have no idea what to think about anything really.

    Seems to me that whatever you say is probably OK with me.

    Agreeing with you has stood me in good stead for ages.

    Yonks really.

    Next thing you’ll be expecting me to have a point of view.

    I leave that sort of nonsense up to the likes of our dearly beloved damon. And you can see where that left him….

    Well, most of us can, kind of.

  31. jamal — on 19th July, 2011 at 8:51 pm  

    quick question

    if you make assumptions about a entire community or it’s leaders based on some stickers plastered on a wall by person X who we don’t know who they are, then you must be ignorant.

  32. Don — on 19th July, 2011 at 9:04 pm  

    I am fairly sure that a prohibition on smoking is a very minority view in Islam, based on it being haram to harm yourself. But smoking being harmful is such a fairly recently arrived at conclusion that it hasn’t filtered through to a lot of places and there is no concensus so nobody pays much attention. I haven’t travelled much recently, but back in the day it seemed pretty much every adult male muslim I met smoked, including clerics. Has that changed?

    Interesting point, but then Kismet’s interesting points have often proved to be mere phantasms of a disordered mind. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

  33. Don — on 19th July, 2011 at 9:11 pm  

    jamal,

    That wasn’t a question.

    Besides which, the general feeling seems to have been that it was that ignoramus Choudary being an asshole again.

  34. Quick Question — on 19th July, 2011 at 10:11 pm  

    Jamal,

    Sorry if it wasn’t clear but I’m not presuming to judge the ELM by these stickers.

    What I was trying to say is that people are likely to judge them by how they react to the fact that they were posted in their local area.

    Given the controversy they’ve already attracted, and the poor opinion of them held by some people, if they don’t say anything then the chances are that those people will take their silence as approval.

  35. THResident — on 19th July, 2011 at 11:05 pm  

    Quick Question,

    Everytime a drunken bastard fuelled on Stella goes home and beats his wife black and blue, do you expect the local pub to come out and issue an apology or statement condemning the twat?

    If people take silence as approval then they are idiots.

    If I don’t think I am responsible for something, and I haven’t been convicted of any wrongdoing by a court of law, I’m not going to make a murmer about it…even if some half arsed keyboard warrior thinks I should.

  36. Don — on 19th July, 2011 at 11:29 pm  

    THResident,

    Interesting analogy.

  37. Don — on 19th July, 2011 at 11:50 pm  

    #35

    Interesting analogy. I think I agree, religion and alcohol both, when taken beyond moderate bounds, have severe anti-social consequences. The law has powers to curb egregious bars.

    If people take silence as approval then they are idiots

    I’d take issue with that. It’s late, but if you stand by that statement as a broad ethical stance maybe we can discuss it later.

  38. Sarah AB — on 20th July, 2011 at 7:44 am  

    Kismet – I completely understand why you assume these must be the work of the EDL or something – they certainly play into the hands of the EDL – and are quite bonkers (though, as Lamia says, also intimidating of course).

  39. Sarah AB — on 20th July, 2011 at 7:45 am  

    Just to clarify – I do NOT think they are the work of the EDL.

  40. sheffielder — on 20th July, 2011 at 9:30 am  

    http://www.muslimsagainstcrusades.com

    Its on Anjem Choudary’s website although Kevin Ovenden et al probably think that is a plant too.

  41. sheffielder — on 20th July, 2011 at 9:33 am  

    As for smoking i think muslims i have known have tended to be more likely to be smokers than the average to be honest. Always thought it was strange to consider drinking so wrong, and smoking ok , considering both drinking and smoking are harmful to ourselves but that passive smoking is harmful to others as well.

  42. Kisan — on 20th July, 2011 at 10:53 am  

    East London Mosque do seem to be taking a pro-active task by hosting meetings for Awlaki, a senior al Qaeda ideologue. Being closely interlinked with IFE and Jamaat e Islami they are of course proactive in working towards promoting sharia law.

    The IFE’s community affairs coordinator, Azad Ali, has said “democracy, if it means at the expense of not implementing the sharia of course no one agrees with that”.

    So we can certainly say that the ELM is a proactive player in this although on the side of implementing sharia. Of course they prefer not to advertise this with posters as the publicity whore Anjem Choudary does.

    Some pro-forma statement from them may be forthcoming to condemn these posters as harming community relations whilst they seek the more gradual path to implementation of sharia…

  43. Kismet Hardy — on 20th July, 2011 at 11:11 am  

    “Kismet – I completely understand why you assume these must be the work of the EDL”

    I didn’t say it was. I said I was willing to gamble on the possibility that it well might be. Unlike this thread which assumes “Update: Muslims Against Crusades (Anjem Choudhary’s lot) are behind it.”

    Did the East London Mosque staff see bearded muslims put these posters up? Or, as the report suggests, they found them stuck on the wall and assumed it must be them.

    And so what Anjem has put it up on his website? He’s a nutter. Nutters like putting up nutty pictures – as the tumblr world testifies, it doesn’t follow that the nutter in question was responsible for the nutty image

    My main issue, other than the fact that I look far too much like Mr Patel down the chipshop, is that it makes no sense for the MAC to go to all this effort to print and paste posters but not bother to put an MAC logo on it

    Of course, that’s just an assumption and not a fact. I hope some people here are only pretending they don’t know the difference

  44. Kismet Hardy — on 20th July, 2011 at 11:28 am  

    I’ll tell you why this thread irritates me so much. An out of proportion example I’ll admit, but if you recall after 11/9, when the US decided to ram the words Al Qaeda into the world’s brain (an organisation that was largely alien to even the most hardcore of Muslims), every time an angry Muslim reacted against the US (they’d been doing that shit for decades) and the media kept screaming AL QAEDA WOT DONE IT, all it did was give them more prominence and brought them to the attention of countless anti-US folk who felt their sudden power and signed up.

    MAC is nothing, and you appear to have no proof that they really were behind this other than a tabloid hunch and that’s what makes a Murdoch-cronie announcement like “Update: Muslims Against Crusades (Anjem Choudhary’s lot) are behind it” so objectionable in my eyes and shits on what’s supposed to pass as fact based news

    Whatever happened to the word ‘allegedly’?

  45. Lamia — on 20th July, 2011 at 1:01 pm  

    I see Kismet Hardy is still arguing tha black is white.

    “MAC is nothing, and you appear to have no proof that they really were behind this other than a tabloid hunch.”

    1. Choudary announces such posters will be going up.

    2. Such posters appear.

    3. Choudary reproduces such posters on the MAC website, claiming responsibility and expressing his satisfaction.

    4. Kismet Hardy refuses to believe it is Choudary and co, calling that “a Murdoch-cronie announcement”, even though Choudary himself announced before and after the posters were his repsonsibility.

    5. Kismet Hardy’s clinching piece of evidence why the above is all an elaborate lie is that… there isn’t an MAC logo on them.

    I am not surprise you play up your ‘I’m a bit mad, me’ side. It’s amusing, and you write it well. But it can’t quite cover that underneath you are sometimes making unpleasant and dishonest excuses, or at the least are in a disturbed state of denial.

  46. Kismet Hardy — on 20th July, 2011 at 4:02 pm  

    Oh. I appear to have missed the part where Anjem said the posters would go up before they did…

    Cuss taken, sir

  47. Boyo — on 20th July, 2011 at 8:32 pm  

    their (MAC) website is well designed though- maybe you should ask them where they got their designer from next time you plan a relaunch Sunny.

    Shame it’s penned by Dave Spart (on secondment from IW no doubt)…

    “after receiving immense support from Muslims around the country, elated with the prospect of living under Shariah law, we would like to declare that in partnership with several (Muslim) businessmen…”

  48. kevin — on 21st July, 2011 at 5:57 pm  

    Kismet’s scepticism is typical. The secularish Left just can’t convince itself, deep down, that these people really mean it. At heart, Western liberals honestly believe everyone in the world is just like them. It’s a profoundly conceited prejudice that emerges from often a genuine love of humankind. But they aren’t.

  49. Imran Khan — on 21st July, 2011 at 8:09 pm  

    Why is it that Muslims and ELM have to apologise for something the community hasn’t done?

    Does any community have to apologise for HP and what goes on there?

    Its nonsense. Utter nonsense.

    If Choudry put up these posters then he should apologise.

    Does the Christian Church have to apologise if Herman Cain makes derogatory remarks about Muslims!

    Heck why isn’t the Church being asked to apologise for what Murdoch’s papers did?

    Its only Muslims that have to apologise for anything a lunatic fringe minority do.

    Also it is interesting to note that whilst the likes of Herman Cain talk about Muslims wanting to impose things as a certain blog likes to keep saying. It is actually the Church that has imposed the most laws in the USA tied into Biblical thought. So now lets ask for an apology!

  50. damon — on 22nd July, 2011 at 1:27 am  

    Why is it that Muslims and ELM have to apologise for something the community hasn’t done?

    Who said they should? Though doing the occasional sermon on the importance of accepting other people for who they are might be a good idea.
    I’m not a HP fan, but they do throw up some stories you wouldn’t otherwise hear about. Like this one.
    http://hurryupharry.org/2011/07/21/bigots-can-have-brown-skin-too/

  51. Imran Khan — on 22nd July, 2011 at 11:58 am  

    Look places like HP create hysteria and rarely are balanced when discussing other faiths. The focus is on Islam and Muslims whilst claiming to be against all extremism.

    look at the HP commentators that pop up here saying how bad things are. But where is HP’s outrage at for example the King’s Torah? Where is their outrage at certain papers unbalanced coverage of stories about Muslims?

    ELM has many faults but what rarely gets mentioned is that ELM and many mosques often give platforms to other faiths to speak. Police regularly speak at mosques to update the Muslim Community.

    To be faith the Sikh community does much the same.

    So what about other faiths, do they routinely provide platforms for other faiths. Does HP demand a semblance of balance in Synagogues so people can learn even about other faiths?

    No.

    Mosques have a long way to go but alongside that there is success in that many do provide platforms across the community. Interesting that places like HP are always critical but when ELM opened they invited members of the wider community and yet how often are Muslims invited to Churches or Synagogues unless they agree with Israel?

    Also ACDC is trying to provoke a reaction and if people ignored this idiot then he would crawl away. he seeks publicity and confrontation to promote his agenda and people should just tell him to get lost. The EDL rarely picket his events and he rarely attends their, they need each other to get publicity.

    99.99% of muslim ignore ACDC so why can’t 99.99% of the UK?

  52. Imran Khan — on 22nd July, 2011 at 12:02 pm  

    BTW that isn’t to say that some Synagogues don’t allow other faiths to speak – they do. My point is about hysterical coverage to promote an agenda against people who speak out against Israel. Fair criticism has to be accepted by all including Muslims, but much of the criticism is unfair and Muslims are the only community who are told what to believe, think and who is acceptable as their representative.

    Most Synagogues and Rabbi’s do a valuable job in my opinion and are quite switched on.

    Its time hysteria was taken out of community relations as should selective outrage.

  53. Optimist — on 22nd July, 2011 at 2:04 pm  

    Imran Khan -

    Fair criticism has to be accepted by all including Muslims, but much of the criticism is unfair and Muslims are the only community who are told what to believe, think and who is acceptable as their representative.

    Turn the clock back 40 years and it were the blacks. The word ‘black’ was synonymous with the word ‘mugger’ and tabloids were filled daily with stories about ‘black teenage gangs mugging old ladies’ and blacks taking/dealing in drugs and leading the ‘nice’ white youth astray or black men ‘entrapping’ white girls.

    The ‘sus’ laws were used with impunity by the police to harass black youth of whom more than sixty percent ( largely due to racial discrimination ) were unemployed.

    Black parents were harangued by the same media for not ‘controlling’ their kids or not stopping them from wearing teashirts with ‘Black Power’ slogans and such things.

    No matter how loudly the congregations in the black churches sang and no matter how much their leaders pleaded with the youth or grovelled in front of the ‘stone-walling’ govt. ministers, it was never enough.

    It was not until exactly 30 years ago, when the black youth had had enough and they exploded in the summer of 1981. Riots spread all around the country in a matter of days touching more than 50 towns and cities.

    Soon afterwards there were all sorts of govt. enquiries and Scarman decided that the police were institutionally racist.

    The govt. also had to wake up to all the discrimination and disadvantage suffered by the black communities.

    If you turn the clock back even further to 75 years ago and change geography to Germany, replace the word ‘Muslim’ with the word ‘Jew’, I am sure you would find a lot of similarities.

    I often wonder how much more the Muslim community could take before there is another explosion like the one thirty years ago!

  54. Optimist — on 22nd July, 2011 at 4:41 pm  

    Imran Khan -

    Thought you might want to checkout this link from the Guardian.

    The summer riots of that year – during which CS gas was used for the first time in the UK outside Northern Ireland – were the latest in a series of insurgencies, beginning in St Pauls, Bristol, during 1980. The following year, between 10 and 12 April in Brixton, south London, black youths fought the police and burned buildings, and in early July there were violent clashes between Asian youths and racist skinheads in Southall, west London. Within days of the uprising in Toxteth, a police station was attacked in Moss Side, Manchester and between 11 and 12 July, disturbances and riots were reported from 20 places, including Leeds, Hull and elsewhere.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/03/toxteth-liverpool-riot-30-years

  55. Pounce — on 22nd July, 2011 at 5:47 pm  

    but much of the criticism is unfair and Muslims are the only community who are told what to believe, think and who is acceptable as their representative.

    Utter utter bollocks. I am of Indian blood (but no longer a Muslim) yet I find I have more rights to free speech than white people. Is that right? AM I more equal than somebody who is lighter than me.

    Stop playing the bloody victimcard, admit to the ugliness within Islam in the Uk and lets all live in harmony. Religion of peace my arse.

  56. damon — on 23rd July, 2011 at 11:16 am  

    Imran Khan and Optimist. Are Harry’s Place unfairly maligning Sheikh Khalid Yasin too?
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4527969281260848764#

    He travels around the country doing sell-out meeetings at places like Reading’s Rivermead Leisure Centre. Should that be of any concern to anyone at all, or is he just a mainstream preacher who’s a little on the conservative side?
    http://biig.eventbrite.com/

    This get’s to the heart of the problem IMO. It’s seems to me that he is not a good influence on people.
    But maybe I’m missing something.

  57. platinum786 — on 23rd July, 2011 at 11:39 am  

    Do these posters break any laws?

    I’m just curious as to why a relatively small but mobile group of known culprits can get away with this. Somebody printed them, somebody posted them, why can’t see find out in CCTV Britain?

  58. THResident — on 23rd July, 2011 at 12:43 pm  

    The gay Chief Executive of the local authority has announced he is leaving for a new job.

    If it already hasn’t happened, and a Muslim person is appointed to the top spot, it will complete the hate mongerers ultimate fear: the muzzies have rigged the local elections and established an excutive mayor; forced out the gay chief executive to bring in one of their own completing the final jigsaw piece in establishing their khilafah in Tower Hamlets.

    I anticipate the headlines…

    Sounds bonkers but I can just see it already

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