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The campaign video

Posted By Sunny On 10th August, 2007 @ 1:58 pm In Current affairs | Comments Disabled

Hahaha!!! [1] via Tim Ireland. And sign [2] the petition!

Update: Neil Clark has written a [3] despicable article on CIF, arguing the “quislings” (these Iraqi employees) should be abandoned. There’s two points to make here, both pointing to the tendency of the far-left to live in a parallel universe.
Firstly, this campaign was kicked off mostly by anti-war bloggers of the left and yet Clark focuses only on the few pro-war writers in a pathetic attempt to make his case. Secondly, he is callously condemning people just because they didn’t support his cause rather than highlighting injustice regardless of who is involved, as those on the left should be doing. These people don’t stand for humanitarian values - they’ll stab the first person who opposes their agenda.

Update 2: Brownie has written [4] an email to CIF editors expressing his disgust for publishing the article. (1) I doubt CIF editor’s commissioned his piece. (2) They were right to run it, however despicable his views, because that is the nature of free speech. Why should Brownie determine what falls outside polite conversation? (3) His mate Oliver Kamm recently wrote an article in the Guardian [5] justifying the US nuclear attack on Hiroshima & Nagasaki 60 years ago. Should that idiotic view also have been silenced?


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#1 Comment By Chichigato On 10th August, 2007 @ 8:01 pm

Sad but true. Another example of the colonial mentality. These people are “natives” and are not our equals and deserve nothing from us except to be used and discarded. The Iraq invasion and subsequent catastrophe will come back to haunt the USA and Europe.

#2 Comment By Leon On 11th August, 2007 @ 1:08 am

That is f’ing brilliant, nicely made Tim! And yeah get writing people.

#3 Comment By douglas clark On 11th August, 2007 @ 7:23 am

Neil Clark’s article is perhaps the most callous and wrong headed thing I have ever read by a blogger on CiF. Jawdropping stuff.

He’s completely lost the plot.

Still, the near universal condemnation he got was heartening. Probably encouraged a few more folk to put pen to paper in favour of the campaign. Unintended consequences and all that.

#4 Comment By Graeme On 11th August, 2007 @ 8:50 am

Neil Clark is hardly representative of the far left though.

#5 Comment By Kits Coty On 11th August, 2007 @ 12:31 pm

Not true. I think Clark is wholly representative of the far left. He is just not representative of the mainstream left. One of the problems with the anti-war movement and its failure to alter policy is in large part down to people who think like Clark. They don’t represent most anti-war people but the principle organisers of demos and the like are the SWP.

#6 Comment By douglas clark On 11th August, 2007 @ 5:51 pm

Sunny,

Neil Clark has some ‘interesting’ things to say here:

[6] http://neilclark66.blogspot.com/

#7 Comment By Graeme On 11th August, 2007 @ 6:31 pm

Kits, I take your point and I completely agree that much of the leadership of the so-called anti-war movement are, in fact, not actually against war. It goes beyond Britain as well…Canadian anti-war organisers have been consorting with Hizbullah, Hamas, Jamaat al-Islamiya in the name of phony anti-imperialism. I think that most people who would take to the streets and march against the war in Iraq or the war in Afghanistan do so in good faith, but the same can’t be said for the leaders.

At the same time, while Neil Clark’s views bear a passing resemblance to those of the far left, he’s unhinged in a way that they tend not to be. Take the topic of the “Iraqi resistance”. The position of a Seumas Milne or a Lenny Lenin is that the resistance is legitimate and that the military is the target of 80% of attacks (or whatever the statistic is). I don’t agree with this viewpoint, and it seems that only a middle class tosser with a well-worn copy of the Wretched of the Earth would celebrate violence, and at that, only from a place like Britain where an advocacy of violence has no real stakes, but there’s a marked difference between this (advocating armed resistance against a military) and Neil Clark’s contention that civilians should be murdered in order to annoy Oliver Kamm and the readers of Harry’s Place.

Not that I have any particular love for the far left, mind you! I’m not sure when I’m even bothering to defend them.

#8 Comment By Graeme On 11th August, 2007 @ 6:33 pm

*sure why I’m bothering

#9 Comment By Neil Clark On 11th August, 2007 @ 6:56 pm

Just to put the record straight: I am not contending that civilians should be murdered, nowhere in my article did I say that. I am a lifelong anti-fascist and anti-imperalist and unlike the neo-cons and their liberal interventionist allies, I abhor violence, which is why I strongly opposed the Iraq war.
Neil Clark

#10 Comment By Graeme On 11th August, 2007 @ 7:22 pm

So Neil, if you’re not contending that civilians should be murdered, then what exactly do you mean then when you say that these “Quislings”, these “self-centred mercenaries who betrayed their fellow countrymen and women for financial gain”, have traditionally “not been well received”? What does the “Iraqi people’s animosity” actually mean? You admit that “some of them may lose their lives”. Or is it the case that you’re not actually advocating their murder, but you’d think it completely understandable and the perpetrators blameless when it happens?

#11 Comment By Rumbold On 11th August, 2007 @ 7:40 pm

Something just slithered its way onto this site (#9).

#12 Comment By Don On 11th August, 2007 @ 7:47 pm

Neil,

Do you have anything to back up your claim that these interpreters are generally loathed by Iraqis, or are you just projecting your own feelings?

Being targeted by a militia is not evidence that one is hated by the general population, unless the average Iraqi really is homicidally enraged by teachers, journalists, trade unionists, labourers, market workers …

Or are they all Quislings too?

You are a journalist, so come on, present your evidence that interpreters are regarded as traitors by all or most of their fellow citizens.

Because if they aren’t, then your spiteful, mean-spirited little piece is even uglier. What happens to these people is as yet uncertain, if they are denied asylum and ulimately butchered then you can get a warm fuzzy glow from reflecting that in some tiny way you helped bring that about.

#13 Comment By Rumbold On 11th August, 2007 @ 7:53 pm

From Clark’s original article:

“The true heroes in Iraq are those who have resisted the invasion of their country.”

These are people who set out to murder Iraqi civilians and celebrate when they do so. How is murdering Iraqi children a way of fighting American forces? Based on your statement, you must feel a warm glow inside when the latest suicide bombing comes on the news, with fifty female Iraqi students dead, simply because they wanted to go to university. Or families butchered because they believed in four true Caliphs, not one.

These are your heroes Neil Clark.

#14 Comment By douglas clark On 11th August, 2007 @ 7:54 pm

Neil,

So, what exactly is this supposed to mean? The conclusion from your own piece:

And in the meantime, let’s do all we can to keep self-centred mercenaries who betrayed their fellow countrymen and women for financial gain out of Britain.
If that means some of them may lose their lives, then the responsibility lies with those who planned and supported this wicked, deceitful and catastrophic war, and not those of us who tried all we could to stop it.

At the very least, it suggests that you have totally lost any moral compass you may have had in the past. More likely you thought it was a clever turn of phrase when it is, in fact, jawdroppingly inhuman.

These folk are already being murdered right, left and centre. And you would have us, the British people, wash our hands of it?

Not in my name, Neil.

#15 Comment By douglas clark On 11th August, 2007 @ 11:34 pm

OK,

Gloves off. Neil has not replied, what, five hours later?

So, what can we conclude?

Dunno.

That light has finally penetrated? Doubtful.

Maybe he can’t fight in the sunshine? Maybe he is a vampire sucking on the neck of a decent protestor.

It is quite dark outside right now. If he is a vampire he is not very good at it.

No, he is nothing. A chimera, a spectre, an idiot.

At least I have a belief.

Come out of your shell Neil, go for it!

#16 Comment By Sunny On 12th August, 2007 @ 4:29 am

Neil Clark on his blog quotes someone called Arabella commenting on his article

I’m wondering how ‘anti-war’ Pickled Politics et al really are? Do the people behind these blogs come on the marches or speak at meetings? I certainly don’t recognise any of their names.

For the record I have been on plenty of anti-war marches as have other Picklers.

Don’t recognise any of our names? Is that even an argument? Do I give a crap if some random person on a blog doesn’t recognise my name.

Neil, all you’ve done is muddy the name of the anti-war left and mis-represented this whole campaign. Stop digging the hole.

#17 Comment By douglas clark On 12th August, 2007 @ 8:32 am

As Neil Clark is operating comment moderation on his site, and because I’m unable to post there, I would like to post this somewhere. Hopefully Sunny is not operating a comment moderation policy, although it seems to be all the rage these days:

“Neil,

I am as mad as hell at you. Just for the record I too went on anti war demonstrations, wrote to MPs, etc…

It has always disturbed me that what was a huge groundswell of popular sentiment against this bloody war was dissipated so quickly. Why didn’t the government listen to the people?

Perhaps, if you are representative of the hierarchy of the anti war movement, then it becomes obvious.

You wrote in to Pickled Politics to say:

“Just to put the record straight: I am not contending that civilians should be murdered, nowhere in my article did I say that.”

And, guess what, nowhere can I find you saying that. What you did say was:

“And in the meantime, let’s do all we can to keep self-centred mercenaries who betrayed their fellow countrymen and women for financial gain out of Britain.
If that means some of them may lose their lives, then the responsibility lies with those who planned and supported this wicked, deceitful and catastrophic war, and not those of us who tried all we could to stop it.”

Which suggests that you would wash your hands of them. And it would be quite OK if people like me, who were your cannon fodder, thought likewise. Err, no.

Which probably explains why nobody listened to our protests way back then. The genuine protest was subsumed in shit like this.

It’s not all about politics Neil. Some of it is about humanity.

I am, frankly, bitterly disappointed.”

#18 Comment By Demon On 12th August, 2007 @ 1:57 pm

…he is callously condemning people just because they didn’t support his cause rather than highlighting injustice regardless of who is involved, as those on the left should be doing.

A true leftist only has the duty to stand with the working class and defend them against the capitalist owners and their servants. Only a liberal such as yourself believes that they can occupy a neutral, third position and somehow arbitrate like a referee the conflict between the workers and the bosses and enforce laws ‘regardless of who is involved’.

#19 Comment By Bleh On 13th August, 2007 @ 10:13 am

Thank you Demon, and Neil Clark, for reminding me *again* why I am not a leftist.

#20 Comment By soru On 13th August, 2007 @ 11:19 am

It’s not the leftism that is the problem - it’s the actively defining yourself against ‘liberals’, saying that what liberals do, you should not do.

So if liberals happen to disapprove of ordinary working men being massacred, you become obliged to cheer on those massacring them, come up with some convoluted reason why this time, once again, you should side with the landlords and warlords against the powerless.

That’ll show that elitist liberal professor who gave you a low grade on your mid-term…

Very common on the US far right, who are largely the same demographic of bitter youngish men as the UK far left. There’s probably an interesting study to be made on why the two similar groups in the two similar countries use such different political language.


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URLs in this post:
[1] via Tim Ireland: http://www.bloggerheads.com/archives/2007/08/you_know_the_dr.asp
[2] the petition!: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Iraqi-Employees/
[3] despicable article on CIF: http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/neil_clark/2007/08/keep_these_quislings_out.html
[4] an email: http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2007/08/10/the_worst_article_ever_run_on_cif.php
[5] justifying the US nuclear attack: http://oliverkamm.typepad.com/blog/2007/08/terrible-but-no.html
[6] http://neilclark66.blogspot.com/: http://neilclark66.blogspot.com/