Cameron admits Hizb ut-Tahrir can’t be banned


by Sunny
5th June, 2011 at 10:32 am    

Today’s Observer has this nugget:

The Conservative manifesto named Hizb ut-Tahrir as a group it wanted to proscribe; in 2009 the then shadow home secretary, Chris Grayling, promised to “immediately ban” the group if the Tories were elected.

But they won’t. The new Prevent review – on how the government deals with counter-terrorism – will avoid anything on Hizb ut-Tahrir.

Its hardly surprising though. I’ve been pointing out for ages that banning HuT is like banning the BNP – idiotic and an attack on free speech. But while banning the latter would have raised hackles amongst Conservatives, attempts to ban HuT have been met with embarrassed silence by Conservatives who claimed to be for defending free speech.

The main observation in the article is that:

Home Office sources say that Cameron has quashed Nick Clegg’s argument for a more tolerant attitude to Muslim groups by insisting on a strategy centred upon the notion that violent extremism is incubated within the ideology of non-violent extremism.

The shift in approach will be outlined when the government’s counter-terrorism strategy is unveiled by the home secretary, Theresa May, on Tuesday. Central to the Prevent strategy is a broader definition of extremism that will be extended beyond groups condoning violence to those considered non-violent but whose views, such as the advocacy of sharia law, fail to “reflect British mainstream values”.

I suppose I’ll have to dust off my arguments on why this is a bad idea and makes us all the more unsafe.


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  1. sunny hundal

    Blogged: : Cameron admits Hizb ut-Tahrir can't be banned http://bit.ly/iy3l0I


  2. Sam

    @sunny_hundal hah. nope should have been http://bit.ly/iy3l0I


  3. Sam

    Here @sunny_hundal also gets to the core of why the Met/HO/Tory Govt is so afraid of the student and climate protestors http://bit.ly/iy3l0I


  4. ‘A Threat to Their Rule’ – Palestinian Authority Suppresses Pro-Caliphate ‘Arab Spring’ Uprising « MidnightWatcher's Blogspot

    [...] it or not, Hizb ut-Tahrir has been allowed to congregate and spread its vitriol in America, in the UK, in Australia and many other Western nations while some Middle Eastern countries have banned them. [...]




  1. platinum786 — on 5th June, 2011 at 6:10 pm  

    Great, the biggest poison in Muslim society and they “can’t ban” it. They can detain you without charge for 60 days, indefinitely “house” arrest you without any evidence, shoot you in the head 7 times for looking like a Nortrehn Paki, but they can’t ban HT, the group which is the source of most hate mongering within the British Muslim society.

    Of course if HT are stood in the public path outside Mosques, the same Tory scum and their closet BNP fanboys will demand the Muslim community “do more” against these radicals.

    This is bullsh1t, groups like HT, EDL, BNP are working their hardest to create divisions in Britain, and government has it’s head firmly planted up it’s own arse meanwhile.

  2. platinum786 — on 5th June, 2011 at 6:15 pm  

    Just read the article, it gets even better! hahaha.

    They want to label as “extremist” people who advocate ideas such as Shariah. That’ll be all of us then.

  3. Salman — on 5th June, 2011 at 8:35 pm  

    Shar’iah is what Muslims try to follow when they get married, bury their dead, or celebrate the births of new children. In essence, without understanding even what the term denotes, you are trying to ban Muslims from doing any of these, and it is near impossible.

  4. platinum786 — on 5th June, 2011 at 10:12 pm  

    I think in the terms of this article they are more concerned with the legal framework commonly known as shariah law. Most British muslims don’t want to apply shariah law in Britain, nor should it be, as Britain is not a Muslim majority state, however this does not mean that Muslims will stop advocating shariah as a preffered legal framework for Muslim majority states if they are run as Islamic states (historically islamic states or collections of such states run under shariah law have been known as caliphates, most Muslims only recognise the first 4 calpiphates after the death of the Prophet Muhammed as genuine states run by Islamic law). If you want them to stop beleiving that, you want them to reject their fate and they mostly tell you to F— off.

  5. joe90 — on 6th June, 2011 at 12:18 am  

    laughable british government trying to ban people even having the idea of shariah.

    I advocate banning the idea of the conservative party!

  6. AbuF — on 6th June, 2011 at 11:11 am  

    Let’s face it, Joe90 and Platinum: even the Hizbis wouldn’t have you!

  7. AbuF — on 6th June, 2011 at 11:12 am  

    Joe90 and Platinum

    Even the Hizbis are not so desperate as to recruit you clowns.

  8. jamal — on 6th June, 2011 at 11:26 am  

    ban them for what being against the iraq war?

    from what i read about them they calling for political change wow that really is extreme isn’t that what cameron and obama are doing in the middle east themselves?

  9. Trampolene — on 6th June, 2011 at 1:19 pm  

    The government is talking about stopping funding for ‘non-violent extremists’. It is absurd that such groups have been receiving funding in the first place.

    No sane person would support funding the BNP on the grounds that although it has appalling goals it claims not to support violence. So why should Islamist groups whose goal is a situation where democracy is ended and minorities like gay people and Jews are punished and discriminated against receive funding to spread their disgusting message?

    Many on the left have really lost the plot on this one. No suprise to see such people misrepresenting the stopping of funding to such groups as ‘demonising’ and ‘criminalising’ ordinary Muslims. It’s nothing of the kind – unless you truly believe

    a) that most Muslims hold such views, and
    b) that they are fair and reasonable views to hold.

    If you hold such a perverse view, then you have no logical grounds to object to the BNP receiving funding, on the grounds that not to do so would be to discriminate against ordinary white people. And you are doing the work of far-right racists for them by affirming their views of ordinary Muslims as fundamentally extreme and intolerant.

  10. BenSix — on 6th June, 2011 at 5:24 pm  

    platinum786 -

    If England was to become a Muslim majority nation would you advocate shariah law, then?

  11. tony — on 6th June, 2011 at 5:46 pm  

    bensix the very fact you can ask such an absurd questions suggests you read too many far right, anti-Muslim publications.

  12. BenSix — on 6th June, 2011 at 5:56 pm  

    Most British muslims don’t want to apply shariah law in Britain, nor should it be, as Britain is not a Muslim majority state

    Absurd? I think not.

  13. platinum786 — on 7th June, 2011 at 12:22 pm  

    Britain is a democracy. In a democratic society we get what everyone thinks is best for the nation. Through popular demand for “Sarah’s law” many anti peadophile legislation has been passed. In fact i think Sarah’s law has been rolled out nationwide this year.

    if in a democratic Britain, where the majority of the population was Muslim, if there was popular demand for Shariah law to be part of the legal framework of our country, then I would support a campaign for legal experts to analyses and assess the case for it, including how it would fit in with British tradition, culture, current legal system and the impact it would have on the minority population.

    Considering only 3% of the British population is Muslim, you shouldn’t need to get your knickers in a twist though.

  14. BenSix — on 7th June, 2011 at 12:34 pm  

    You may consider my underwear free from the slightest arc. I was merely intrigued.

  15. Amanullah Maseed — on 10th June, 2011 at 1:18 pm  

    Obviously the British governments needs its Islamist proxies, it wasnt long ago, that these same people conspired a uprising in Uzbekistan, to topple Islam Karimov because he refused to host a Nato base in this country, and was close to starting world war 3 when Russian troops backed by Uzbek soldiers, forced them to leave, all of a sudden there was a armed uprising, HUT was involved, and the Uzbek government arrested many British Nationals.

  16. douglas clark — on 10th June, 2011 at 1:52 pm  

    Amanullah Maseed,

    Obviously the British governments needs its Islamist proxies, it wasnt long ago, that these same people conspired a uprising in Uzbekistan, to topple Islam Karimov because he refused to host a Nato base in this country, and was close to starting world war 3 when Russian troops backed by Uzbek soldiers, forced them to leave, all of a sudden there was a armed uprising, HUT was involved, and the Uzbek government arrested many British Nationals.

    I missed the chances that WW3 was about to commence?

    Please provide some detail for this homongous blind spot that I appear to have missed.

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