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  • Ex-BNP ‘terrorist’ gets jail


    by Sunny
    2nd August, 2007 at 2:36 am    

    Remember the ex-BNP members who were caught with a “record haul” of explosives and extremist literature? Readers with long memories will remember this was the same story that was curiously buried in the national press at the time. Anyway, the main culprit was jailed for 2 & 1/2 years earlier this week [hat tip: El Cid]. Apparently he was only planning to use them as a “deterrent”.


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    1. Roger — on 2nd August, 2007 at 9:30 am  

      I agree that two and a half years is surprisingly light; however, he had pleaded guilty to possessing chemicals, he had no lethal explosives and the likelihood of his actually using them depended on the outbreak of a hypothetical race war. I think that- like David Copeland, he will end up indefinitely in a psychiatric hospital.

    2. Harry — on 2nd August, 2007 at 9:43 am  

      [troll]
      Well, what about the Muslim chappie from London who was shot in the leg, then as a form of recompense the corrupt police let him off on the minor charge of making paedophile images of children. God help the little children when evil Muslims are around. Just because Mohammed was an overt paedophile does not mean you all have to follow suit !

    3. Rumbold — on 2nd August, 2007 at 10:29 am  

      Just ignore Harry Sahil. Somebody will delete him soon enough.

    4. The Dude — on 2nd August, 2007 at 10:30 am  

      So at long last we know.

      All terrorist are equal before the law. Some terrorist though are more equal than others.

    5. sofia — on 2nd August, 2007 at 10:34 am  

      Lol@Harry, is that the best you could come up with…puhleez…change the record

    6. sofia — on 2nd August, 2007 at 10:37 am  

      Methinks Harry is a bit miffed that his friend got sent down…

    7. Sahil — on 2nd August, 2007 at 10:42 am  

      Rumbold a lot of EU based people make the assertion that the age of consent was always static, i.e. a defining characteristic of civilisation. For some reason a lot of people seem to have forgotten their history that the EU itself had very early child marriages prior to the turn of the 20th century. To now hold today’s standard of the age of consent (OF MARRIAGE NOT SEX) to someone living in Saudi Arabia in the 7th century is just a spurious comparison to make. However I do strongly agree that the age of constent should be raised higher everywhere in the world. But that’s my own morality coming out.

    8. Rumbold — on 2nd August, 2007 at 10:52 am  

      Sahil, I misunderstood. I thought that you were talking to me personally. I agree that we cannot apply 21st century Western norms onto 7th century Saudi Arabia. The marriage was perfectly fine at the time, and that is the way that we have to see it, even if, as you say, we (excluding Kulvinder) would not want to see that sort of thing happening now.

    9. The Dude — on 2nd August, 2007 at 11:09 am  

      Sahil

      You really do have take more control of yourself and stop being had by the likes of “Dirty” Harry. The word “redrag” and “bull” come to mind. You’re too easily taken in.

      Now every time the Met Police get caught short they employ a tactic call surpress and smear. Ist the police can’t simply “let him off”. In this instance the Police completely fucked up an anti-terrorist operation, shooting an completely innocent man in the process. So to take some of the heat off them, they nail the innocent man with a “mud sticks” charge: ie “of making paedophile images of children” and let the great British media fill in the blanks. Meanwhile the CPS takes one look at the non-exisitant evidence and drop the case there and then, which by this point is already too late for the innocent man. His reputation has already been torn to shreds and the Police get off scott free.

      The best recent example of this tactic was the shooting of Jean Charles de Menzies at Stockwell Tude Station and you have to give the Met police credit where credit is due. They murdered a man in cold blood, crapped all over his name (with help from their numerous friends in the press) ( The smear) then supressed evidence to their own Chief Constable in an effect on stealing a beat on the truth. To date not one single individual within the Met has had to answer for the death of Jean Charles. In fact the Met’s tactic of surpress and smear as worked so well that now this act of murder as been reduced to nothing more than a issue of Health and Safety. I simply cannot imagine the anguish that the De Mendes family is going through, to be so totally denied justice be the very people who should be upholding it.

    10. Sahil — on 2nd August, 2007 at 11:53 am  

      Rumbold: yeah it was directed at you presonally, I know you enjoy your history too much to be led by suck lazy thinking.

      Dude: agreed, I should have just ignored it, but it still really irritates me.

    11. Rumbold — on 2nd August, 2007 at 12:00 pm  

      I was not even going to bother responding to him Sahil, because he just came here to make trouble. He was clearly moronic.

    12. Rumbold — on 2nd August, 2007 at 12:07 pm  

      To get back onto topic, his sentence seems rather light. The judge accepted his case that the chemicals were only for defence, which she should not have, as clearly the terrorist was untrustworthy. Even if he had planned to use them only in ‘defence’, he was unstable, so could have become convinced that he was under attack (maybe from the Asian postman or something) and unleashed the chemicals. Hopefully Roger’s prediction will come true, because I believe that a person who thinks like that will always be a danger, no matter how the judge rationalises it.

    13. ZinZin — on 2nd August, 2007 at 12:24 pm  

      We like to think that judges are out of touch but the truth is that they are influenced by public opinion. That is why BNP terrorists get lighter sentences than muslim terrorists. Also you have to take into account 7/7.

    14. Kismet Hardy — on 2nd August, 2007 at 12:54 pm  

      “however, he had pleaded guilty to possessing chemicals, he had no lethal explosives…”

      I’m sure the terrorists cops and the media would say ‘well he’s just a harmless chap really’ if he was a muslim dude

      Now if he was carrying chapatti flour…

    15. sofia — on 2nd August, 2007 at 1:51 pm  

      So when i buy chappati flour from the local cashncarry..do you think they have an alert sent out the secret service?? i’m scared..

    16. 5cc — on 2nd August, 2007 at 1:54 pm  

      It’s weird that the judge would accept the defence that the explosions would only be set off in some future civil war.

      Just over a minute on the BNP website (and yes, I do feel like I need a wash now), turns up quotes like:

      “These past 50 odd years the West has been on the defensive trying (ineffectually) to keep Islam at bay and Islam has been on the offensive their declared aim being to convert by armed force the infidels”

      “In Britain, what the Spanish, French & Germans tried to do and failed; Islam succeeded and did so with­out firing a shot.”

      Sorry for reproducing that bile. Still, it shows that the BNP, and certainly nutters like Robert Cottage, think there already *is* a civil war that needs fighting. Sure, the BNP don’t *openly* advocate violence - but there’s already the assumption that we are in the process of being invaded.

    17. Rumbold — on 2nd August, 2007 at 2:39 pm  

      Hrry’s vowels are missing. Well done (Sunny?).

    18. Don — on 2nd August, 2007 at 3:42 pm  

      I think you exceeded your vowel quota, diden’t you?

    19. The Dude — on 2nd August, 2007 at 3:48 pm  

      Say if Robert Cottage had managed to blow up a Mosque full of Muslims, what scares me is that he could have made the defense, saying that he did what he did in the light of the UK’s present war against terror. Depending on the timing, there would be many juries that would have some sympathy with his defense.

    20. sid — on 2nd August, 2007 at 4:06 pm  

      He could morally and politically defend a decision to pre-emptively detonate a bomb in a Mosque full of Muslims since it is part and parcel of the Missionary Liberalism as preached by Bush and Blair.

    21. 5cc — on 2nd August, 2007 at 4:20 pm  

      Or he could use the tabloid defence of ‘they can do it, why can’t we’.

      ‘We’re in a war on terror, and Muslim civilians attack us, so why can’t our civilians attack them?’

      I can just see the headlines on the Express.

    22. Sunny — on 2nd August, 2007 at 4:40 pm  

      Well done (Sunny?).

      I am responsible indeed. Readers please just ignore trolls, they will be sanitised every time.

    23. Don — on 2nd August, 2007 at 4:52 pm  

      #19, #20, #21,

      You guys really believe that? I may be out of touch with how things are in London, but that seems hyperbolic to me.

    24. Rumbold — on 2nd August, 2007 at 4:53 pm  

      They are just exaggerating Don.

    25. sid — on 2nd August, 2007 at 4:58 pm  

      Rumbold, do you think foreign policy affected the motives of this particular terrorist?

    26. Rumbold — on 2nd August, 2007 at 5:04 pm  

      He seemed a weird fantasist, so who knows what motivated him.

    27. 5cc — on 2nd August, 2007 at 5:11 pm  

      Don:

      Only a touch hyperbolic. It might not have appeared in the press - but we’re talking about people who think Muslims are plotting to take over countries by raping women here.

    28. Don — on 2nd August, 2007 at 5:18 pm  

      5cc,

      Yeah, I know the BNP, I know them from way back - and their predecessors.

      But ‘…if Robert Cottage had managed to blow up a Mosque full of Muslims…there would be many juries that would have some sympathy’? Really?

      I don’t think so. But if I’m wrong and The Dude is right, we’re fucked.

    29. Frank London — on 2nd August, 2007 at 6:16 pm  

      Myhmmyd pydyhyl

    30. Jai — on 2nd August, 2007 at 6:49 pm  

      Re: posts #19,20,21.

      Interestingly, there was an episode of “Spooks” in the last series which focused on pretty much this kind of thing, except for the fact that the main protagonists were “Christian terrorists” rather than members of the BNP. But they were still going for retaliatory “Declaring holy war against Islam” violence, supposedly in response to the actions of jihadis and fundamentalist Islamic clerics.

    31. Angelina — on 5th August, 2007 at 9:34 am  

      I agree that the national press should say far more when these incidents occur. The BNP are a threat to our democracy and way of life. People need to be made aware of this. It is far more important than which soap star has been found drunk in the gutter, the private life of a so called reality TV programme contestant, a footballers new haircut and all the other endless non story’s they subject us to in the guise of news.

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