Racial Profiling at the Met


by Sunny
24th May, 2011 at 9:17 am    

The Guardian reports:

People from ethnic minorities are up to 42 times more likely than white people to be the target of a counter-terrorism power which allows the stopping and searching of the innocent yet grants them less rights than suspected criminals, official figures seen by the Guardian show.

The power is contained in schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000, which allows police to stop people at ports and airports for up to nine hours without the need for reasonable suspicion that they are involved in any crime.

The figures have led to accusations that police have resorted to “ethnic profiling”, which they deny.

It’s odd that conservatives rarely raise their voice on stuff like this, since they constantly claim that institutions should not make decisions based on a person’s race or gender etc. Odd, isn’t it?


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  1. spike — on 24th May, 2011 at 11:28 am  

    Personally I think that the Police SHOULD concentrate on ‘ethnic profiling’.

    Or does that make me a Nazi?

  2. Kismet Hardy — on 24th May, 2011 at 12:46 pm  

    Nah, spike, it just makes you someone who believes terrorists are brown and black kids carry knives and that you don’t want to accept that you get white shoe bombers and white muggers, which doesn’t make you a nazi, just a bit stupid

  3. spike — on 24th May, 2011 at 1:49 pm  

    Kismit

    You are a complete retard if you think that it makes sense wasting Police resources checking the shoes of old ladies. The fact of the matter is that Terrorists do exist, and those that want to blow up a train or a plane are always Islamic and normally come from a Pakistani or North African back ground. You might not want to pretend that is not the case, but unfortunately it is. Please provide one example of a white suicide bomber?

    Of course there are white muggers?? I didn’t say otherwise. The Police may use section 7 of the Terrorism Act 2000 to stop and search white boys, but its obvious they do this to balance the numbers and avoid claims that they only search brown & black boys (your words not mine).

    It is clear as day – ethnic profiling makes complete sense, which is why they do it.

  4. Kismet Hardy — on 24th May, 2011 at 2:37 pm  

    “Please provide one example of a white suicide bomber?”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid_%28shoe_bomber%29

    And it’s silly to check white women and all..

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article598536.ece

    And dude, everything makes sense if you don’t think beyond the obvious…

  5. douglas clark — on 24th May, 2011 at 2:38 pm  

    Just out of curiosity, how many of these stop and search interventions actually result in anyone being convicted of terrorism? I imagine some might catch people for other crimes, e.g. knife carrying, illegal substances, etc.

  6. spike — on 24th May, 2011 at 2:42 pm  

    Dude – Are you colour blind? Richard Reid, erm …I don’t know how to tell you this, but well he ins’t white.

    In terms of the woman – she was already on a ‘watch’ list – so should have been stopped and searched.

  7. damon — on 24th May, 2011 at 3:02 pm  

    Stopping the guy flying from Stanstead to Edinburgh in the Guardian video seems highly dubious. The police are often dumb and lazy in areas like this I think.
    And with the amount of information they have on so many people on their computers, just being on it will lead to you having to justify yourself and answer all kinds of stupid questions.
    The figure about Asian people being 42 times more likely to be stopped though is a bit misleading the way it’s used there.
    Of course Asian people are going to be stopped more when looking out for Al-Qaeda types.
    On the Isle of Skye, it’s not something the police even think about I would guess. But in Birmingham it is. And foriegners coming from Pakistan are bound to be more ”suspect” than flights of domestic package tourists going to Malaga. Even young Brits coming back from Pakistan might be asked what they’ve been up to.
    I have been questioned coming back from Ireland. Only for two minutes, but they do assess you and look you up and down in those two minutes.
    If your name comes up on their computer, even if it was only taken off someone else’s phone like the guy from Scotland, that’s kind of tough. I’d like to see the police questioned hard over the way they operate this policy though.

  8. Kismet Hardy — on 24th May, 2011 at 3:19 pm  

    Richard Reid: his mum is white, his skin is white. Racial profiling would miss him. And we’re not talking about watch lists. We’re talking about looking at someone and going: ‘he looks like the type that might have a bomb’ and then hassling them. And it’s not like the IRA are brown, like…

  9. spike — on 24th May, 2011 at 3:33 pm  

    Mate.

    Are you Blind? His Mum is white, His Dad is black, his skin is NOT white!! He is Brown?? Cant you see that??

    And watch lists are important because if your name is on one then you get stopped and searched regardless of the colour of your skin.

    The IRA example is weak. The IRA have never used suicide bombers, there objectives are political not religious. They also give coded warnings to the police.

  10. Kismet Hardy — on 24th May, 2011 at 4:13 pm  

    Oh I don’t care. I just don’t want the cops to stop me or give my mum shit at airports. Many cops are wankers and this shit gives them the right to be wankers even though they know they won’t find anything on us. You won’t understand

  11. spike — on 24th May, 2011 at 4:33 pm  

    Hey Kismet, the law is there to protect you and your mum as well.

    The Police are not mostly wankers – some are, most are’t. They do a tough job and have limited resources, that’s why ethnic profiling makes sense.

    I can understand your frustration, and I agree that it’s not fair – but at the end of the day for 99.9% of people who do get stopped and searched its a minor hassle. Besides I very much doubt your mum has ever been stopped and searched under the terror law.

  12. Kismet Hardy — on 24th May, 2011 at 4:58 pm  

    Yeah, they mess my mum’s shit up at airports

    And no, a lot of cops are wankers

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3594884/Call-in-the-cops-We-span-classredbarebspan-the-cops.html

  13. spike — on 24th May, 2011 at 5:23 pm  

    “They mess my mums shit up at airports”

    You really are a nob head. So you think your mum should have diplomatic immunity on the basis that… she’s your mum? They search everybody at Airports you bell-end. And its not the Police who searched her either – they are called customs officers.

    And your example link as to why all cops are wankers is a bit wide of the mark too.

    I think you will find the actual wanker was the one who was driving the stolen car after committing aggravated burglary. Do you even know what aggravated burglary means? Are you suggesting the Police are out of order because he is black? Do you think they would have treated a white man, who had previous for threatening to shoot an officer any differently?

    You need to grow up mate and stop playing the race card
    every 5 mins because its boring.

  14. dazza — on 24th May, 2011 at 9:30 pm  

    Yes, this is an outrage.

    I said the same during the height of the IRA bombing campaign, why aren’t more Asian people being stopped and searched?

  15. persephone — on 24th May, 2011 at 11:06 pm  

    The Met’s latest diversity strategy seems to suggest it is working – quoting from it:

    “ More community scrutiny and local accountability has seen greater transparency of stop and search, allowing better monitoring, while work continues to improve the quality of interactions between officers and the public. “

    Or perhaps a few coppers have confused stop and search with Met plans for community engagement…

  16. Don — on 24th May, 2011 at 11:34 pm  

    Or confused ‘Life on Mars’ for an instructional video.

  17. Laban Tall — on 25th May, 2011 at 12:22 am  

    Kismet – it never occurred to me that Richard Reid was white – beige perhaps. Without going all phrenologist on you, he didn’t look like a native Brit (whereas I’d never have guessed that Ryan Giggs has an African grandfather).

    Damon has a point – if you’re checking passengers to and from, say, Pakistan, Sudan or Yemen, the majority won’t be white.

    It all depends on where the terrorists are coming from these days.

    I doubt many Asians got pulled in by Special Branch looking for IRA bombers in the 70s and 80s either – but I can distinctly remember the Guardian complaining that – would you believe it – a disproportionate number of Irish people were being stopped ! It was just a manifestation of the age-old racist fear and loathing of the despised Irish etc etc – you know the sort of thing.

    I flew Pan-Am to NY a year after Lockerbie with a Libyan visa in my passport and I can assure you that I was pretty sharply conducted into a side room for a little chat with the immigration/security people.

  18. damon — on 25th May, 2011 at 10:57 am  

    The figure of 42 times more likely to be stopped has to apply to people living in the UK I presume.
    As if it includes people being stopped comming off international flights that would be daft because of so many foriegn nationals passing through ports and airports.

    But still the ”42 times” figure is misleading, as it uses Britain, or even the UK, as a whole.
    Profiling of a sort is inevitable, but random fishing excercises against people of Asian origin within the UK are not acceptable.

  19. ukliberty — on 25th May, 2011 at 11:27 am  

    Richard Reid doesn’t look ‘white’.

    But what about this man?

    He used to be one of the FBI’s most wanted terrorists.

    He’s Syrian.

  20. jamal — on 25th May, 2011 at 1:55 pm  

    conservative party in my opinion are racist, police are institutionally racist as someone famously said and sir ian blair also mentioned the the british news media are racist!

    with all the above how you expect them to view the non white community?

    all crime is committed by black people and all terrorism is committed by brown people in their eyes!

  21. Ravi Naik — on 25th May, 2011 at 6:09 pm  

    Please provide one example of a white suicide bomber?

    There are white terrorist men and women as well.

    Old people do it. And some with terrible consequences.

  22. jk — on 25th May, 2011 at 7:21 pm  

    @ Jamal

    “the british news media are racist”

    It is not a organism but a collection of people.

    Which people (presumably the execs) are racist? Is there a conspiracy? Is it official policy? Did Sir Ian Blair present any evidence? If so, what charges are being laid?

  23. lee mac — on 25th May, 2011 at 9:53 pm  

    Still no white suicide bombers, Naik …

  24. tinku patel — on 25th May, 2011 at 9:58 pm  

    “Still no white suicide bombers, Naik …”

    what about brother barry from four lions?

  25. Laban Tall — on 25th May, 2011 at 11:45 pm  

    re white suicide bombers – didn’t a Belgian convert (she married in) blow herself up in Iraq ? Muriel Degauque.

    And I don’t know what Chechens look like – they come from the Caucasus, so Caucasian might be one guess, but, like the Tamil Tigers, female suicide bombers are a bit of a speciality there.

    And ukliberty – Syrians are an interesting one – very European-looking people, a fair few green-eyed redheads there. Asma Al-Assad, AFAIK Syrian on both sides of her family.

  26. Ravi Naik — on 26th May, 2011 at 1:24 pm  

    Still no white suicide bombers, Naik …

    I think your original point was that ethnic profiling is a good thing because terrorists are not white.

    I do think, however, that the Guardian article is flawed. Even if random stop&search was in place (no profiling), it is *very* unlikely that you would get the same racial proportion as the UK population, since we are talking about flux of people coming in and out. It may well be that the Asian proportion coming in and out is far higher than 5%.

    The second point, is that it may well be that the MET is using other types of profiling – which to me is more than justified, than just appearance. For instance, people coming from countries known to have pockets of extremism.

  27. jamal — on 26th May, 2011 at 4:47 pm  

    jk

    next time you see headlines about moslems taking over the country or there are too many brown people in the uk

    you tell me if there is any racism in the media!

    because if you can’t see it you can’t be looking very closely.

  28. jk — on 26th May, 2011 at 9:43 pm  

    OK, Jamal, so no names, no evidence, no conspiracy and no charges.

    It just is? Is that it?

    I must have missed the headline that said ‘Muslims were taking over the country’ or that there were ‘too many brown people.’

    I have seen reports based on studies that show that at the current demographic, birth rate and entry rate the ‘indigenous’ population of this country could be a minority by 2050, some even say 2035 and I cant see why that isn’t a legitimate debate.

    After all, who ever asked us if that is what we want?

    And as it is happening in other European countries too, as well as the US, what will happen to us in the long run?

    After all, Asia will remain Asian, Africa will remain African etc, but what will the ‘west’ become? And what will become of its people?

    If you see racism in that, then so be it.

  29. joe90 — on 28th May, 2011 at 12:44 pm  

    post 28

    are you having a laugh, you think uk will have a white minority population by 2035

    white people make up close to 90% of the UK population are they going to stop reproducing today or something?

  30. jk — on 29th May, 2011 at 1:06 pm  

    Why is it that people like you fail to grasp the fundamental points? It is not what I think. It is what studies have shown.

    Even your dear old Guardian put a clock on white existence in their own country, with the study they published predicating it would happen by the end of the century. But to be fair, that was back in 2000 and no one could have known that Labour would open the floodgates.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world1

    More recent studies taking this unprecedented and uncontrolled mass influx into account have accordingly taken this into account and now predict 2066:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/white-britons-could-be-minority-by-2066-2137329.html

  31. jk — on 29th May, 2011 at 1:06 pm  
  32. jk — on 29th May, 2011 at 1:08 pm  

    This has already happened to varying degrees in many places, most notably London where official figures 4 years ago showed white British born children were the minority in many London schools.

    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-uk-whites-a-minority-in-london-classrooms.do

    I wouldn’t trust any government figures that tell me things that counter my eyes and experiences, but even officially your figure of ’90%’ is woefully out of date, and probably has been since before the last census. Latest figures show that is actually around 80%, and remaining static – even declining – as the numbers of immigrants entering is at a record level and non-white birth rates are up to 10 times higher.

    These are the facts, not some throw-away line like yours that fails to even understand it is not my supposition, but one based upon studied trend.

  33. joe90 — on 31st May, 2011 at 12:07 am  

    post 30 &31

    I think you have an issue about race, in one article you posted it states about choice of some people “the migration of thousands of British nationals abroad over the coming decades.”

    what do you propose banning the migration of all white people out of the UK to preserve the white nation?

    this scaremongering about the white population becoming minority or vanishing from britian in 30 years is a joke.

  34. jk — on 31st May, 2011 at 6:59 pm  

    @ 33

    I couldn’t care less what you think, you are of no significance to me. Of course you have bleat ‘racist’ to a differing point of view, its what you do. And its wearing thin/

    First of all it isn’t happening, but then if it is, so what? Shut up you racist?

    Personally I think you have a problem with reality. No one in this country (or any other) asked for this, most likely because they don’t actually want it. White people have just as much right as everyone else to be aware of their ethnicity and ethnic issues, whether you like it or not. And if you ask many whites why they are leaving, as I do, they will often cite that the country is not the one they grew up and feel very pessimistic about the future.

    Its called white flight and goes on in many places, not just the UK.

    Your final paragraph sums up either your delusion, or your dishonesty, most likely both, as no one said vanishing but you, and yes, the clear evidence is that whites will be a minority in major UK cities by around 2030. As the Standard study shows, in large parts of London, that is already a reality in the schools.

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