Is an EDL-BNP tie up on the cards?


by Rumbold
22nd May, 2011 at 9:11 pm    

After their electoral disaster in last year’s elections, the BNP have increasingly faded from view. As the author of a new book on the BNP, Matthew Goodwin, points out, the BNP has only really been focused on electoral success for the last decade or so:

Born into the spring of 1982, during its early years the party steered clear of elections. It was not until the arrival of Nick Griffin as chairman in 1999 that a serious quest for votes commenced. Influenced by his time in the 1970s National Front, and inspired by its more successful French counterpart, Griffin went about revamping the BNP under a strategy of “modernisation”. The goal was to attract a broad and stable electorate by detoxifying the brand, adopting community-based activism and throwing resources at local and European elections.

At this point, it seems unlikely that the BNP will pose a serious electoral threat in the near future, as the anti-Griffin rebellion grows and senior figures leave or have left already. But, as Matthew Goodwin argues, there is still space for an “anti-immigrant populist party”. This opens the way for the EDL.

On the Continent, recently successful far-right parties have not followed the old neo-Nazi model of outright racism, but rather focused on Islam and immigration; this has helped these parties gain a respectability denied to neo-Nazis. The EDL fits this mould, as they have made a great deal of effort to avoid being seen as racist, preferring instead to talk as much as possible about Islam and terrorism.

Yet they are not a party at present, being more of a lobby/protest group. If they wished to become a party however, then they would be able to absorb much of the now-fragmented BNP’s grassroots activists, who are experienced campaigners. This could be done without taking the BNP’s name, and thus avoiding the toxic branding of being an openly racist party.

There is certainly plenty of overlap between the EDL and BNP. Already Barking, once a BNP stronghold, has seen co-operation between local EDL and BNP activists in attacking UAF (Unite Against Fascism):

Some 25 EDL thugs threw bricks and rocks at Crown House causing damage to the building’s exterior. They chanted “EDL” and shouted racist abuse and death threats. At least two Barking BNP activists were involved in the mob attack.

The EDL has been active in Barking & Dagenham recently whipping up race hatred over proposals to build a mosque in the borough. Anti-fascist activists believe the local BNP branch is turning back to street thuggery after the losing all 12 of its councillors in last year’s elections.

Is this a sign of things to come? Possibly.


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  1. Mr A H (Adrick Herlof) — on 22nd May, 2011 at 9:12 pm  

    No.

  2. 9xzulug — on 22nd May, 2011 at 10:17 pm  

    the major stubbling block for edl is the very fact majority of uk citizens know the mentality/agenda of the edl,they know their true intentions are connected in 1 way or another to a far right wing tendancy similar to other euro nations who’s political establishments have even less ethnic politicians than our own,luckily.this is where the edl come unstuck,but it also leaves us in limbo because the polite silent racist politician is afraid to come clean & state their true intentions incase there is a backlash @ a later date.WE NEED POLITICIANS TO HAVE A CROSS PARTY DEBATE & SOLVE THE SITUATION WE ARE ALL ENGULFED IN,OTHERWISE WE’LL KEEP LURCHING BACK & FORTH WHILE THE FAR RIGHT MAKE A CONCERTED EFFORT IN CHANGING THE FABRIC OF OUR DIVERSE,VIBRANT MULTICULTURAL NATION

  3. Joanw — on 23rd May, 2011 at 8:07 am  

    Members and supporters of the EDL can vote for or join the BNP if they wish, but the EDL is not a political party. The BNP don’t do marches and street demos as do the EDL, so why would a link be of interest? The Guardian article by Matthew Goodwin is nonsense, where he totally ignores the influence of a biased, unBritish mass media campaign against the BNP, instead blaming it all on Griffin. Interestingly, the Guardian seem to think their readers are not really interested in a true analysis, which tells all about “Guardian readers”!! Of course, the very idea that taking the issue of racial differences is somehow “neo nazi” is laughable and another lie – possibly generated by international Jewish pressure groups, who also wouldn’t be too concerned about Islamophobia. Is Matthew Goodwin Jewish, by any chance?

  4. Rumbold — on 23rd May, 2011 at 8:42 am  

    Joanw:

    Of course, the very idea that taking the issue of racial differences is somehow “neo nazi” is laughable and another lie – possibly generated by international Jewish pressure groups, who also wouldn’t be too concerned about Islamophobia. Is Matthew Goodwin Jewish, by any chance?

    It always comes back to the Jews doesn’t it? Anti-semitism is never too far from the surface with you lot is it?

  5. Joanw — on 23rd May, 2011 at 8:59 am  

    Rumbold – are you suggesting that the activities allegedly undertaken by organised Jewry should never be discussed or even acknowledged? That’s the road to totalitarianism.

  6. Rumbold — on 23rd May, 2011 at 9:15 am  

    JoanW:

    The cry of ‘international Jewry’ is the hallmark of an anti-semite. It is standard operating practice for people who like to blame failings and criticisms on the Jews, rather than looking to themselves.

  7. Joanw — on 23rd May, 2011 at 9:25 am  

    Rumbold – I have not criticised Jews nor suggested any failings on their behalf, but are you suggesting that
    they – unlike anyone else – should be shielded from the sort of questions allowed in a free and open society. From your obdurate response to my posting, I gather you are prejudiced towards them and not in favour of equal treatment in such matters. Perhaps denial, obfuscation and cries of “anti-semitism” are ways of avoiding scrutiny, but they are not without risk.

  8. Rumbold — on 23rd May, 2011 at 9:41 am  

    Joanw:

    I have not criticised Jews nor suggested any failings on their behalf

    You did say…

    possibly generated by international Jewish pressure groups

    As I said before, that is a stock phrase of the anti-semite, suggesting that the Jews are behind everything.

  9. Joanw — on 23rd May, 2011 at 10:00 am  

    Note the word “possibly” in “..possibly generated by international Jewish pressure groups”. Evidently you are unable to debate a topic which most people in a free society see as interesting. Perhaps you feel free speech must be limited for certain groups, to protect them and their works – again, the road to totalitarianism. It’s very similar to the way the BNP is excluded from debate – silly “no platform policies” etc – wouldn’t do for the massess to hear the truth, would it!!?? Loser.

  10. Rumbold — on 23rd May, 2011 at 10:15 am  

    Joanw:

    Loser.

    Remember, they are watching you…

    http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/9406

  11. damon — on 23rd May, 2011 at 12:36 pm  

    Don’t worry about the BNP or the EDL. They amount to nothing in reality. Why people obsess about them I don’t really know. I see Jai just did another long piece about the EDL because one of them claims to be a Sikh. There’s always religious nutters and people using religion for their own ends.
    In Northern Ireland, the Orange Order use the bible and protestantism for their sectarian ends, and there are tens of thousands of them. If the EDL or the BNP get as powerful as them, then maybe I’d be slightly concerned.

  12. douglas clark — on 23rd May, 2011 at 1:15 pm  

    Joanw,

    It’s very similar to the way the BNP is excluded from debate – silly “no platform policies” etc – wouldn’t do for the massess to hear the truth, would it!!??

    Whilst Question Time isn’t obliged to have Nick Griffin on, perhaps they should have him back again sometime for the comedy value.

    hear the truth!!??

    hahahahaha.

  13. Optimist — on 23rd May, 2011 at 3:14 pm  

    damon-

    That’s exactly what people said about the Nazis in Germany in the 1920s. ‘Don’t worry about them. They amount to nothing in reality.’

    Now, this view would be quite logical if we were not in the middle of the worst economic crisis for sixty years. But just like the 20s/30s there is a mass unemployment, people are losing their homes, the middle classes are being squeezed with the student tuition fee being trebled and the impending massive public spending cuts reducing every ones living standards. Above all, the youth of today have no hope and have nothing to look to the future except maybe continued unemployment or low paid jobs and massive debts they would have acquired.

    There is also every bit of a chance of a double-dip recession, with the various countries in the Euro zone being in trouble and some banks asking more money to be bailed out, yet again!

    So, we are not exactly, yet, in a situation like the 30s, but its looking more and more like the 20s. And thus of course they have found an easy scapegoat. It were the Jews then and it’s the Muslims now. But that is only the start. If you look at the EDL’s wbsite then you would find numerous criticism of multi-culturaism and many comments saying that if people want to live in this country then they should adapt the ‘Anglo/Saxon/Celtic’ culture. Interestingly they have, for some reason, added Celtic now, as the old day fascists only used to refer to Anglo/Saxons. It may have something to do with Tommy Robinson’s ( Stephen Yaxley Lennon) Irish roots.

    Also there are more and more references to the immigrants in general and not just Muslims. So, I think Guramit Singh has to be careful because they are really taking him for ride while trying to hide their true agenda. And, yes, we should be worried about them.

  14. Don — on 23rd May, 2011 at 7:18 pm  

    Shorter JoanW,

    Jewish media suppresses BNP truth.

  15. douglas clark — on 23rd May, 2011 at 8:38 pm  

    Don @ 14,

    We need people like JoanW around.

    It is the JoanW’s of this world that we unite against.

    No, really, we do.

    It is at a bottom line that we see a common cause against dirty little racialists.

    JoanW is what we know as a useful idiot.

    Sad intit. What a waste of an education.

  16. Joanw — on 24th May, 2011 at 8:01 am  

    No, Douglas Clark, it’s the likes of you – pea brained, easily manipulated by a Jewish controlled media, by Holocaust propaganda, by Marxists and Communists in the Labour and Lib Dem parties using political correctness as a blackmailing tool, by the alien controlled UK race relations industry and the so called “educational establishment”, by the violent thugs of UAF and the Socialist Wankers Party – the likes of you who are useful idiots. People like me don’t go with the flow, but you do, along with the rest of the foreign trash who shouldn’t even be in the UK. Do you work, have a job or are you part of the permanently unemployable yoof cannon fodder sink?

  17. douglas clark — on 24th May, 2011 at 9:01 am  

    Joanw,

    That is hilarious. Lets see. I’m manipulated by:

    Jews
    Holocaust propogandists
    Marxists
    Communists
    The Labour Party
    The Liberal Democrats
    aliens
    the ‘educational establishment’
    violent thugs
    the UAF
    The socialist wankers party

    How could I possibly answer any of your questions about my identity? My pea sized brain is too worried about keeping that lot up in the air at the same time.

    The place for satire is called ‘The Daily Mash’, not ‘Pickled Politics’.

    Perhaps, given the utter disaster that Nick Griffin was on QT, you could be given a spot. It would be like all Daily Mail editorials run into one. I’d actually come along and watch….

  18. stephen_martin — on 24th May, 2011 at 9:42 am  

    “Of course, the very idea that taking the issue of racial differences is somehow “neo nazi” is laughable and another lie – possibly generated by international Jewish pressure groups, who also wouldn’t be too concerned about Islamophobia. Is Matthew Goodwin Jewish, by any chance?”

    This must have to win the prize for most hilarious and least self aware comment of all time if it wasn’t so scary… JoanW you are aware that concern about ‘internation jewry’ is a central plank of Nazi and neo-Nazi ideology so when you claim to not be a neo-Nazi it is probably best not to blame that perception of your ideological beliefs on a conspiracy of ‘international jewry’. Just saying like.

    P.s. rot in hell you anti-semetic cretin.

  19. damon — on 24th May, 2011 at 10:51 am  

    Optimist @13. I just disagree with everything you say then. When I see real fascism actually growing to where it’s more of a threat than your local anti-social bully boys and assorted yobs and muggers, then I’ll worry about it.
    But the Anti-Nazi League/UAF have been crying wolf about the organised right for decades.

    I see comments on Jai’s threads about the loony Sikh bloke in the EDL are being deleted, so I guess that criticism is not welcome.
    Which is kind of like the UAF tradition has always been and why I have never supported them.

  20. Optimist — on 24th May, 2011 at 11:36 am  

    damon -

    Even the NF deputy fuhrer, Martin Webster, admitted that it was mainly the Anti-Nazi League that had caused its downfall.

    “Front deputy leader Martin Webster stated that the activities of the Anti-Nazi League played a key part in the NF’s collapse at the end of the 1970′s.”

    http://www.punk77.co.uk/groups/nationalfront.htm

    Its only because of the brave sacrifices made by people like Blair Peach and thousands of ordinary members of the ANL and UAF (amongst other anti-rascists) that the NF/BNP were stopped from making further advances. Otherwise we could have ended up with something like LePen in France.

    You only have to see what is happening in Hungary where the Jobbik party members are going around murdering Roma people.

    http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=20950

    So, please don’t wait around too long before you start to support us, as even Hitler himself had said that ‘only if our opponets had realized our true intensions, they would have crushed us without mercy”.

    We can’t waste time!!

  21. Kismet Hardy — on 24th May, 2011 at 12:57 pm  

    “the alien controlled UK race relations industry”

    I hope the racists won’t give the little green men from mars a hard time when they come. I’m hoping to give as many of them jobs at my dad’s curry house (we’ll put tikka mars-ala and orion bhajis on the menu), you know, until the benefits system allows them to get free health care and pudding for their little ‘uns.

    “Do you work, have a job or are you part of the permanently unemployable yoof cannon fodder sink?”

    What an odd thing to say. The majority of people who sign up to BNP/EDL manifestos are angry not very literate men who are pissed off they were denied a proper education because that Patel bloke took their job, because they’d be a brain surgeon today if that Dr Patel didn’t get on the boat…

    “People like me don’t go with the flow”

    Yes you do. Hatred for others rarely allows room for any other angle

  22. Joanw — on 24th May, 2011 at 5:55 pm  

    stephen_martin: You say “JoanW you are aware that concern about ‘internation jewry’ is a central plank of Nazi and neo-Nazi ideology” – yes, but who’s to say the Nazis were wrong? The more I see of the activities of Jews now days, the more I am beginning to think Hitler had a point. But, of course the Jewish controlled media and the Jewish Communist International do their damnest to make sure that the Nazis are seen as uniquely evil, so as to deflect people’s attention from seeing the truth. One item of proof for this theory is that the mass murders inspired by Lenin, Stalin and other Commies, even though much worse than that of the Nazis, are never branded as evil, no “Gulag Studies” in the unis, no “Gulag Memorial Day, no constant diet of anti Communist, anti Gulag programmes in the media and Hollywood. Why? Because the victims were not Jews, but Russian peasants and russian Christians. Recently a Danish film maker at Cannes was denigrated and expelled from the festival for saying he liked Hitler and “I am a Nazi” – would the Jewish media have done the same hatchet job if he had said he liked Stalin and “I am a Communist”? I don’t think so. Proof.QED.

  23. Don — on 24th May, 2011 at 6:41 pm  

    Proof.QED

    Quite.

  24. john — on 24th May, 2011 at 11:11 pm  

    EDL has been active in Barking & Dagenham recently whipping up race hatred over proposals to build a mosque in the borough- No tthat the Mosque in an area where there are white christian going to church ,casues controversy, and that the Msulims there are stiring up hatred, but you still say Christian opposed to teh Mosque, stir up trouble
    Didnd’t blue labour say alobur should appeal to those who support the EDl, where’s the proof that the BNP and EDL are working together.

  25. persephone — on 24th May, 2011 at 11:38 pm  

    ” No tthat the Mosque in an area where there are white christian going to church ,casues controversy, ”

    Oh the controversy of that – a church setting up in the vicinity of another church.

    Don’t they have a monopolies & mergers commission to stop that sort of thing? Y’know like how they have rules to prevent companies in the same business setting up close together?

    What if a non white christian church was set up in the area – would the white christian (like how being a white christian is specified here) church be set into controversy too?

    Remember, they only have themselves to blame as The Only Way is Essex.

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