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    Raids and arrests


    by Sunny
    2nd July, 2007 at 3:12 am    

    Probably due to reporting restrictions that apply here and not internationally, the New York Times reports that houses across three locations in Britain have been raided in response to the wealth of evidence that turned up from the attempted attacks over the weekend. Like other readers, I’m glad the political response has been fairly muted so far rather than the typical “terror in the skies” rubbish that former home secretary John Reid and Tony Blair were prone to using.

    The Register published a rather sarcastic article on how badly throught-through the attacks were and the very limited damage they were likely to cause (via Chickyog). That indicates this wasn’t some worldwide coordinated attack planned meticulously for months and years but the work for a few idiot Chav-lims who had little idea of what they were doing. Al-Qaeda can’t even get the staff these days.
    As Will points out (via Mr Eugenides)

    But the fact remains that the attackers displayed this peculiar form of allowing things to go arse about face that is unique to the British Isles. So home grown bombers are, from our perspective, infinitely preferable to the imported variety.


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    1. StrangelyPsychedelique — on 2nd July, 2007 at 9:44 am  

      I covered an anti-war rally some years ago where a bunch of Fundies tried to set fire to a US flag. It took them 10 minutes just to singe the edges…

      …I have little doubt that these wannabes are in fact quite incompetent in general.

    2. AsifB — on 2nd July, 2007 at 11:38 am  

      Right they’re not martyrs, they’re very naughty boys.

      But ridicule them for the right reason please - technical competence ulitimately requires only practice and literacy and is attainable to even violently mad fundies so long as they are persistent.

      But a would be suicide bomber who highlights the stupidity of his tactic by running away/starting to feel pain/fear for his life - that’s priceless. Especially if the police can find their ‘martydom’ video…

      Thye trick now for the government and media is how to remember their Lao Zu. Attack your enemies’ alliances - or would be alliances with the Muslim community at large- if you can make your enemey’s would be friends less sympathetic , the isolation grows.

    3. Roger — on 2nd July, 2007 at 5:48 pm  

      How do The Register know so much about the construction of the bombs, I wonder?

    4. ZinZin — on 2nd July, 2007 at 7:00 pm  

      Two of those held are doctors not the gobby welfare scrounging fundis that we are familiar with. Chavlims they are not.

    5. Muzumdar — on 2nd July, 2007 at 7:01 pm  

      But Iraqis they are….

    6. Refresh — on 2nd July, 2007 at 7:13 pm  

      “But Iraqis they are….”

      This is going to lead us down an interesting path, I feel.

    7. Refresh — on 2nd July, 2007 at 7:14 pm  

      “But Iraqis they are….”

      This could lead us down an interesting path, I feel.

    8. Refresh — on 2nd July, 2007 at 7:17 pm  

      Sunny, something is not working on the site. Twice my posts have disappeared, and once they’ve appeared in the ‘latest comments’ listing at the top but no actual comments. Just thought you should know.

    9. Clairwil — on 2nd July, 2007 at 7:28 pm  

      “But Iraqis they are….”

      Now that is an interesting turn of events.

    10. Sunny — on 2nd July, 2007 at 7:28 pm  

      Oh yeah… I’ve had to cache the pages so the server keeps them in memory rather than instantly update everything. Apparently we’re getting lots of hits so the server is slowing down.

    11. Don — on 2nd July, 2007 at 7:34 pm  

      The doctor is Iraqi? According to the Guardian;

      Dr Asha, who is understood to be of Palestinian origin, began practising in the UK in 2005 after qualifying in Jordan, according to the General Medical Council.

    12. Chairwoman — on 2nd July, 2007 at 7:36 pm  

      Don - 2 doctors. One Palestinian/Jordanian and the other Iraqui

    13. Refresh — on 2nd July, 2007 at 7:49 pm  

      Roger

      “How do The Register know so much about the construction of the bombs, I wonder?”

      I don’t know if you missed it but, but they did a thorough debunking of John Reid’s last anti-terror tirade. A full analysis of why bombs made from liquids smuggled onto planes could not possibly work.

    14. Bert Preast — on 2nd July, 2007 at 8:22 pm  

      “That indicates this wasn’t some worldwide coordinated attack planned meticulously for months and years but the work for a few idiot Chav-lims who had little idea of what they were doing”

      Er, doctors are chavlims? We’re in worse trouble than I thought.

    15. Bert Preast — on 2nd July, 2007 at 8:25 pm  

      Also, gas canister take about 15 minutes to go up in a fire. What you have to do you see, is let the gas out first. It’s quite a regular way for old ladies to commit suicide in Spain, and of course to really piss off the money grubbing landlord who’s throwing them out.

      That’s because it usually takes out the whole house or if an apartment a few of the neighbours pads as well. If they’d managed to get them to go bang there would be nothing farcical about it.

    16. Dr Shaaz Mahboob — on 3rd July, 2007 at 12:15 am  

      The latest attempt to bring chaos and carnage to the citizens of Britain appears again to be the result of internet-fuelled “over-the-counter” copycat terrorism, undertaken by highly motivated and dangerous amateurs.

      It emphasises the fact that, although several terrorist attempts fortunately failed to result in loss of life, probably owing to amateurism and mistakes made by terrorists rather than any lack of commitment, there is a criminal element within our own communities which is hell-bent on hurting British economic interests. Its members also harbour deep-rooted hatred towards many aspects of the Western way of life that are deemed to be in contradiction to their own fundamentalist, regressive and inflexible views on religion, personal freedom and civic liberties.

      It is alarming that such hard-line views often find passive and subliminal support from within Muslim communities, who increasingly view themselves as part of a greater Muslim nationhood that suffers unjustifiably as helpless victims in the global war on terror.

      In the absence of much-needed introspection by the British Muslim communities and of aggressive condemnation of such criminal acts by their self-proclaimed leaders, they must at least ensure that moral and material support is wholeheartedly offered to the Government and security services. They must keep British interests above any loyalties towards their co-religionists and cultural traditions.

    17. Roger — on 3rd July, 2007 at 9:09 am  

      Didn’t come across The Register’s analysis of why bombs made from liquids smuggled onto planes could not possibly work- which I’d agree about- or at least that they would not be directly and immediately lethal, Refresh. However, it is- theoretically at least- possible to make effective bombs from the materials mentioned as present in the London bombs and a few more ingredients. I think it’s as likely that the police haven’t given full and exact details of what was in the cars as that the bombers had been incompetent in their theory as well as their practise- ‘though it’s perfectly possible that both are true.

    18. Katy Newton — on 3rd July, 2007 at 9:19 am  

      That indicates this wasn’t some worldwide coordinated attack planned meticulously for months and years but the work for a few idiot Chav-lims who had little idea of what they were doing

      Heh. Clearly not. Badly informed they may have been, but it doesn’t sound like they were stupid. I love this theory that terrorism is mainly a product of the lumpen proletariat. Maybe that’s why the Far Left is such a big fan of it.

      Still. I guess there might be security issues linked with hospitals after all, eh?

    19. Refresh — on 3rd July, 2007 at 9:32 am  

      Roger, I haven’t read their latest article - I was just drawing your attention to the previous one.

    20. Refresh — on 3rd July, 2007 at 9:36 am  

      Katy, I think the ‘far-left’ does not accept terrorism as a way of progressing the cause. On the contrary, as far as I know, it is counter-productive as it gives more excuses to the enemy for even greater repression.

      Liberation and resistance is a different matter.

    21. Katy Newton — on 3rd July, 2007 at 9:55 am  

      Semantics…

    22. El Cid — on 3rd July, 2007 at 9:58 am  

      Apparently we’re getting lots of hits so the server is slowing down.

      Funny that. Maybe Lex Sunny Luther is the power behind the throne using al Qaeda to drive traffic to PP. No of course not.

      Bert,
      No, these weren’t jihadist chav. But maybe that says something about our social prejudices. Is it possible to have middle class or professional chav? That seems like a contradicton in terms. Still, you can have fascist doctors.

    23. Leon — on 3rd July, 2007 at 10:32 am  

      Maybe that’s why the Far Left is such a big fan of it.

      When you say ‘far left’ who do you mean? What groups/ideology specifically?

    24. Refresh — on 3rd July, 2007 at 11:05 am  

      “Semantics…”

      It all depends.

    25. Katy Newton — on 3rd July, 2007 at 11:13 am  

      Leon - I didn’t think that the alliance between some elements of the far left and militant Islamic groups was news.

      Refresh - of course it does. If you sympathise with their cause then they’re freedom fighters. If you don’t agree with it then they’re terrorists.

      But I’m 100% out of this thread now. I really cannot face an endless wrangle over WHICH far left groups and WHICH ideologies and WHICH freedom fighters and WHICH terrorists. I said FAR left, not left generally, and I didn’t mean to imply that all left-wingers whether far, near, middle, pink or green are supporters of terrorist activity.

    26. Refresh — on 3rd July, 2007 at 11:19 am  

      Katy,

      “cannot face an endless wrangle”

      I did think there was a danger we would head this way as soon as you posted.

      Problem is everything seems to be ending up as an endless wrangle.

    27. Tanvir — on 3rd July, 2007 at 12:27 pm  

      “But Iraqis they are….” Thats irrelevant.They hate you because of your freedoms and your democracy!!

      Umm.. in this case, they are jealous of our NHS ?

    28. Kismet Hardy — on 3rd July, 2007 at 1:36 pm  

      Is is too early/unproven/tasteless to make doctor, doctor jokes?

    29. Jagdeep — on 3rd July, 2007 at 2:08 pm  

      Is is too early/unproven/tasteless to make doctor, doctor jokes?

      Yes, but we can make jokes about the Glasgow attacks.

      Police have named the terrorists arrested in Scotland over the weekend. They are:

      Sinjed Majeep

      Mahidz Roastin

      Mustafa Fah Ekstingwisha

    30. Leon — on 3rd July, 2007 at 2:35 pm  

      I didn’t think that the alliance between some elements of the far left and militant Islamic groups was news.

      Refresh - of course it does. If you sympathise with their cause then they’re freedom fighters. If you don’t agree with it then they’re terrorists.

      But I’m 100% out of this thread now. I really cannot face an endless wrangle over WHICH far left groups and WHICH ideologies and WHICH freedom fighters and WHICH terrorists. I said FAR left, not left generally, and I didn’t mean to imply that all left-wingers whether far, near, middle, pink or green are supporters of terrorist activity.

      Er, ok. But what groups/ideology did you have in mind? I think its important to be precise than make vague/generalised assertions like you did.

    31. Chairwoman — on 3rd July, 2007 at 4:14 pm  

      Jagdeep - He He :-)

    32. Jagdeep — on 3rd July, 2007 at 4:21 pm  

      Chairwoman — I was very impressed by the Glasgow peoples response.

      What other city-race, when faced with a suicide bomber running towards them with a suicide belt on, whilst on fire, screaming blood curdling religious curses, as his mate tried to ignite the explosives inside the car, would instinctively run as one towards them and batter the f*@$ing shit out of the flammable terrorist bastards?

      Glasgow I am in awe of you.

    33. Don — on 3rd July, 2007 at 4:58 pm  

      Check out Shuggy’s for the man of the moment.

    34. Refresh — on 3rd July, 2007 at 8:08 pm  

      “Is is too early/unproven/tasteless to make doctor, doctor jokes?”

      If Jagdeep’s anything to go by, it clearly is.

    35. Refresh — on 3rd July, 2007 at 8:10 pm  

      But then he seems to think he is at the Imperial games in Rome.

    36. Jagdeep — on 3rd July, 2007 at 8:37 pm  

      Refresh, one of the terrorists was a neurosurgeon. You’d think blowing himself up would be quite straightforward without messing it up, after all it’s not brain surgery is it.

    37. soru — on 3rd July, 2007 at 9:14 pm  

      rumours that al qaeda are now trying to recruit rocket scientists are unfounded

    38. Chairwoman — on 3rd July, 2007 at 9:32 pm  

      Jagdeep - I agree about Glaswegians, I think it’s an instinctive male Glaswegian response.

      What a pity he wasn’t treated to the Glaswegian kiss!

      Refresh - I apologise for my gallows humour.

    39. Refresh — on 3rd July, 2007 at 9:35 pm  

      Oh dear - another thread wasted!

    40. Chairwoman — on 4th July, 2007 at 8:57 am  

      Refresh - Dear Friend, I’m Jewish, we’ve been on the receiving end of terror for such a long time, and I don’t mean I/P, that we have adopted flippancy as a coping mechanism.

      I am truly sorry if I have offended you.

    41. Refresh — on 4th July, 2007 at 9:21 am  

      Chairwoman, no no no.

      I am not offended. If you could see how I saw this thread going from there then you’d understand.

    42. Refresh — on 4th July, 2007 at 5:32 pm  

      Now this is more my kind of humour:

      Arial Bombardment of Stonehenge

      http://comment.independent.co.uk/columnists_m_z/mark_steel/article2733231.ece

    43. Chairwoman — on 4th July, 2007 at 7:09 pm  

      I liked that as well, not only was it extremely funny, but there was more than a kernal of truth at its heart.

      Thanks you for directing me to it :-)

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