I think Arnia ia a Sikh hater posing as a Sikh.

Typical. Aren’t you people ever original?

and here is the crux of the issue, sikh college girls have been converted to islam, only to revert to sikhism, years later, complaining of how they were manipulated by clever muslims and feeling let down that their sikh parents were complacent for not fore warning them, etc

First, you have no evidence. Second, you have no faith in the intelligence of Sikh women. Third, all your immature and badly constructed rant sounds like is another bigot saying: Oh don’t ever trust those Muslims, they just want to secretly convert our women and whisk them away to Pakistan.

I really fret for the intelligence of some British Sikhs today. Too much time on their hands. Please go find a proper job and something useful to do with your life.

I’ll be a monkeys uncle.

However I read your posts occasionally because some of you are very perceptive.

Anyway, lets try and dispell a few myths shall we, before you start blaming the Sikhs for all the worlds ills, like the nazis and the talabani’s try to blame the jews fopr all the worlds ills.

1-I saw the SAS presentation in april 07 at a Bham Gurudwara and it was nothing like Arnia described.
2-I, like 99% of the sangat, had never even heard of mohan singh before then, all were left very impressed with the factual information given. Particularly the use of taquiri clause by talabani wahabi muslims to tell any lie, break any promise, commit any crime in order to convert and brainwash youth. apparently msulims only commit a sin if it is done aganist muslims, therefore the 7/7 bombers will go to paradise, as they killed mainly non-muslims, and the odd muslim who got in the way, well if you live in the UK, you have to accept you might be a casualty of jihad.
3- Uni’s are dangerous places now, according to the police and nhs, where drugs, guns, sexual diseases & extremist ideologies have increased significantly in recent yrs. Sikh parents are increasingly discouraging higer education, after all whats the point when you slog your guts out, only to end up in a call centre anyway, with a £10,000 debt to pay?
4- 99% of 20 soemthings like me, were unaware of the historical facts which SAS presented. e.g.
The Sikh people are the only people to endure three genocides (in the 1700′s at the hands of taliban type muslims and 1984 at the hands of Indira’s congress) where about 50% of their population was exterminated inthe 1700′s (according to euro historians)and about 200,000 in the 1980/90′s (according to amnesty international).
When the Sikh homeland, the Punjab, was partioned by the British, in 1947, 66% was given away to the muslims, the rest to Nehrus congress India, and the sikhs made homeless.
The sikhs dont blame hindus or any faith for the 1984 pogroms or earlier genocides, they blame Indira’s congress and Aurnagzebs extremist regime, and the west for sweeping the genocide pogrom under the carpet. (maybe because India is a superficial democracy which is able to pull strings to ensure the truth remains supressed)
5- and here is the crux of the issue, sikh college girls have been converted to islam, only to revert to sikhism, years later, complaining of how they were manipulated by clever muslims and feeling let down that their sikh parents were complacent for not fore warning them, etc
6- there is no evidence that this car burning was done by Sikhs, and hello, they burned cars, not people. not exactly the same as 7/7 bombings is it? it could have been someone with a personal gripe against mr bhogal.
7- graham st gurudwara have issued a public apology, so evidently they now realise some mistakes were made. although im not clear exactly what they have apologised for.
8- sikhs dont convert anyone, they just want to live and let live, very hard to do that when their children are being brainwashed into converting into a community, which has a long history of persecution against sikhs, and where the converts could be turned into suicide bombers.
9- If anyone of you wants to meet me, please come to wheelers st gurudwara next sunday, at noon and ask for dr kaur, happy to have tea and talk, as i only log onto this site occasionally when i can get my kids off the PC, and i dont like internet chatting.
10- there are vicous murderous fanatics in every community, but mohan singh is not one of them, so check your facts out before you malign someone who is regarded as a community servant.

So was I. I just thought it was worth spelling out that no mainstream religion should give any house room to nutters. As a matter of principle. I know you implied it….

You are quite right. But so is arnia.

Mainstream religious institutions should not be giving brain dead morons like that house room.

Now, that is a disgrace.

nobodyshero,

They are the problem because they couldn’y think their way through an arguement without lying. See arnia’s post 45 above.

my cousin prods me and points out that in the bottom corner it clearly said CCTV footage of attack on white youth by an asian group of youths and that was the icing on the cake

Do you want morons to lead you? Are you willing to be told lies to reinforce prejudice?

To be honest, that tit for tat argument is the sort of one-size-fits-all explanation that all extremist groups put forward for their extremism. Unfortunately, there is not a religion on the planet that doesn’t have a lunatic fringe of some sort.

You catch my drift anyhow ……….apologies to all for the complete and utter disgraceful puncuation and grammer.

You happy now Muzamdar ……now try to be less patronizing

You clearly have no idea the impact this group is having partuclarly amongst the sikh youth at the momment in the midlands

http://www.sasorg.co.uk/art.html

and then click on women and sikhism you will get a taste of some of the literature this group disributes

i find it quite disturbing that they slate other relgions

posted this on barfi

that guy mohan singh

ive heard him do one of his lectures in the gurudwara

hes an utter nut job and the things he says can cause serious problems for the sikh community

welcome to the world of sikh extremists …..preaching hate………telling sikhs not to watch tv this guy had a particular problem with sony tv for some reason…..boycott all hindu (as hindus are resposible or 1984) and muslim ( they convert sikh girls) businesses never trust either one of these partuicularly not the muslims they are evil ……..what else did he say move away from areas where muslims live avoid trusting hindus and he also said which i found funny exact quote
“jeh tuhsi shah rukh khan dekhna twadeh kar vich vi shah rukh khan ni aahna”

and then scaring all the sangat into not allowing their daughters to go far away to study as they may come back converted or married to a gora or worse still muslim or even worse a black muslim it was quite funny in a sick kind of way only because i remain unaffected by his little rant and he seriously did seem really frustrated by it so little time and so much to say

this guy was just using obscence scare tactics to mould these grannys and youngsters into his way of thinking…..actually its quite frightening how his tactics were working

I found the next bit really stuipid he went on to talk about how he was about to play some video footage of a attack on a sikh lad by muslims he then went on to play a black and white CCTV video clip of a guy who could not be identifed becasue the video was so bad being attacked by a group of youths and neither could thier ethnic origin be identified so whilst ranting on about this attack on a sikh youth my cousin prods me and points out that in the bottom corner it clearly said CCTV footage of attack on white youth by an asian group of youths and that was the icing on the cake i cracked up laughing an had i courage i would have stood up and said what you going on about you nob blatently bullshitting in a gurudwara of all places

i think we all know what the agenda is here and its a grim reality that some of the sikh community are falling for it

If any brainwashing is going on anywhere its in the gurudwareh where this guy and his little gang are preaching

If this guy comes again to give one of his lectures im going to call the police hed be arrested for causing racial incitement which he should be

I think this SAS group needs to be looked into and possibly banned I know one thing id rather have my kid happiliy playing with his muslim and hindu firends than having this guy down the gurudwara brainwasing them

Seriously frightening what these people are trying to mould sikhism into …..really scary stuff i heard this guy speaking and was shocked the gurudwara allowed it and theyre always distributing stuipid leaflets every sunday

im thinking of going to a different gurudwara from now on ….flippin looneys weve got our very own abu hamza in the form of mohan singh

and what really annoyed me were these 10 -15 lads stood at the doors to the entrance of the hall as if theyre standing on guard or something then they all shuffle this geezer of and of they go dont hang around for the ardas or keertan do their little brainwashing and then off they go leaving the grannys all chanting “waheguru waheguru” i actually heard one woman behind me go “dehkdi ahh ji nikki wolverhampton jandi ah etheh parai kareh”

i mean thats one girl nikki whoever she is thats just had her , im assuming uni plans cut short.

these fanatics are just trying to repress people into their way of thinking

i recorded it on my mobile because it was so ridiculous

Protect who from what?

No more are religious beliefs. Or love

Perphaps they didn’t believe him?

As for the attack it seems stupid since the guy ‘converted’ to Sikhism in order to marry her. If it was the other way round (i.e. girl to Islam) then I could see why they would get angry.