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	<title>Comments on: Salman Rushdie fatwa redux</title>
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		<title>By: Laban Tall</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1203#comment-69186</link>
		<dc:creator>Laban Tall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rushdie 1982 :

&quot;British thought, British society, has never been cleansed of the filth of imperialism. Itâ€™s still there, breeding lice and vermin ...&quot;

Rushdie 2007 :

&quot;When people ask me how the West should adapt to Muslim sensitivities, I always say - the question is the wrong way round. The West should go on being itself ...

What I fear most is that, when we look back in 25 years&#039; time at this moment, what we will have seen is the surrender of the West, without a shot being fired. They&#039;ll say that in the name of tolerance and acceptance, we tied our own hands and slit our own throats. One of the things that have made me live my entire life in these countries is because I love the way people live here.&quot;

What a difference a fatwa makes ...

http://ukcommentators.blogspot.com/2006/10/you-see-it-every-day-this-surrender.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rushdie 1982 :</p>
<p>&#8220;British thought, British society, has never been cleansed of the filth of imperialism. Itâ€™s still there, breeding lice and vermin &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Rushdie 2007 :</p>
<p>&#8220;When people ask me how the West should adapt to Muslim sensitivities, I always say &#8211; the question is the wrong way round. The West should go on being itself &#8230;</p>
<p>What I fear most is that, when we look back in 25 years&#8217; time at this moment, what we will have seen is the surrender of the West, without a shot being fired. They&#8217;ll say that in the name of tolerance and acceptance, we tied our own hands and slit our own throats. One of the things that have made me live my entire life in these countries is because I love the way people live here.&#8221;</p>
<p>What a difference a fatwa makes &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://ukcommentators.blogspot.com/2006/10/you-see-it-every-day-this-surrender.html" rel="nofollow">http://ukcommentators.blogspot.com/2006/10/you-see-it-every-day-this-surrender.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Let&#8217;s burn Al-Tabari! &#171; pixelisation</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1203#comment-68902</link>
		<dc:creator>Let&#8217;s burn Al-Tabari! &#171; pixelisation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Let&#8217;s burn&#160;Al-Tabari!  19 06 2007   That itch is back! Scratch, scratch, scratch! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Let&#8217;s burn&nbsp;Al-Tabari!  19 06 2007   That itch is back! Scratch, scratch, scratch! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: thabet</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1203#comment-68900</link>
		<dc:creator>thabet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Gopal.

Rushdie sold out.

The man is no Naipul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Gopal.</p>
<p>Rushdie sold out.</p>
<p>The man is no Naipul.</p>
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		<title>By: sid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1203#comment-68837</link>
		<dc:creator>sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s the Bono of the literary world. Running on empty and his own colossal self regard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s the Bono of the literary world. Running on empty and his own colossal self regard.</p>
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		<title>By: Jagdeep</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1203#comment-68833</link>
		<dc:creator>Jagdeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fury is a terrible novel. The Ground Beneath Her Feet was a truly pompous and bloated book that you&#039;ll rarely see the like of again. Shalimar the Clown was a middling, flawed average book. He&#039;s exhausted as a novelist. Three failures in a row means he needs to take a break or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fury is a terrible novel. The Ground Beneath Her Feet was a truly pompous and bloated book that you&#8217;ll rarely see the like of again. Shalimar the Clown was a middling, flawed average book. He&#8217;s exhausted as a novelist. Three failures in a row means he needs to take a break or something.</p>
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		<title>By: ally</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1203#comment-68830</link>
		<dc:creator>ally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The most readable (and short) Rushdie novel is â€œFuryâ€.&quot;

Short and readable yes. Also completely awful iirc.

Isn&#039;t that the one about the brilliant, misunderstood novelist, exiled in New York, who has a passionate affair with a sexy young woman who just can&#039;t resist his towering intellect, towering talent, and various other towering phallic symbols?

Made me want to vomit.

Midnight&#039;s Children is magnificent though, I must admit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The most readable (and short) Rushdie novel is â€œFuryâ€.&#8221;</p>
<p>Short and readable yes. Also completely awful iirc.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that the one about the brilliant, misunderstood novelist, exiled in New York, who has a passionate affair with a sexy young woman who just can&#8217;t resist his towering intellect, towering talent, and various other towering phallic symbols?</p>
<p>Made me want to vomit.</p>
<p>Midnight&#8217;s Children is magnificent though, I must admit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jagdeep</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1203#comment-68827</link>
		<dc:creator>Jagdeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But he has endured the next worst thing: middle class white hypocrisy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s hilarious Sid. What a twat. Harry&#039;s Place is a cess pit sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But he has endured the next worst thing: middle class white hypocrisy.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s hilarious Sid. What a twat. Harry&#8217;s Place is a cess pit sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Kismet Hardy</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1203#comment-68820</link>
		<dc:creator>Kismet Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Englishman, Irishman and Scotsman walk into a pub

The barman says:

What is this? Some kind of a joke?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Englishman, Irishman and Scotsman walk into a pub</p>
<p>The barman says:</p>
<p>What is this? Some kind of a joke?</p>
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		<title>By: sid</title>
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		<dc:creator>sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not if they&#039;re made by an englishman/scotsman. Similarly, Woody Allen cracking jewish jokes is not antisemitic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not if they&#8217;re made by an englishman/scotsman. Similarly, Woody Allen cracking jewish jokes is not antisemitic.</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1203#comment-68805</link>
		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well are the englishman irishman and scotsman jokes racist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well are the englishman irishman and scotsman jokes racist?</p>
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		<title>By: Kismet Hardy</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1203#comment-68801</link>
		<dc:creator>Kismet Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An Asian man gets a knighthood

Isn&#039;t anyone going to be happy just by that in itself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An Asian man gets a knighthood</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t anyone going to be happy just by that in itself?</p>
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		<title>By: sid</title>
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		<dc:creator>sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well you know, Brownie at Harry&#039;s Place never really faced racism in his life nor have his family suffered racist violence. But he has endured the next worst thing: middle class white hypocrisy. 

And we should all know that that&#039;s enough to fish Manning&#039;s legacy from Guardanista style condemnation. For Brownie, Manning was not racist or homophobic. He was simply a victim of the &lt;em&gt;&#039;the usual (middle-class) suspects&#039;&lt;/em&gt; who told a good nigger joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you know, Brownie at Harry&#8217;s Place never really faced racism in his life nor have his family suffered racist violence. But he has endured the next worst thing: middle class white hypocrisy. </p>
<p>And we should all know that that&#8217;s enough to fish Manning&#8217;s legacy from Guardanista style condemnation. For Brownie, Manning was not racist or homophobic. He was simply a victim of the <em>&#8216;the usual (middle-class) suspects&#8217;</em> who told a good nigger joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Jagdeep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jagdeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone been to Hairy&#039;s Place? They&#039;ve written a full on apology for Bernard Manning, with the sap called Brownie declaring him a much maligned and benign victim of middle class white hypocrisy, that bile filled teller of Paki and Nigger and Coon jokes.

What a pestilent little sewer that place is --- and remember, they call themselves part of the Left.

To be fair there are a fair few people who have dismantled the little prick&#039;s thesis in the comments, but it doesnt make any difference to that bunch of twats.

You heard it officially on Harrys Place folks --- Paki and Nigger and Coon jokes don&#039;t make you a racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone been to Hairy&#8217;s Place? They&#8217;ve written a full on apology for Bernard Manning, with the sap called Brownie declaring him a much maligned and benign victim of middle class white hypocrisy, that bile filled teller of Paki and Nigger and Coon jokes.</p>
<p>What a pestilent little sewer that place is &#8212; and remember, they call themselves part of the Left.</p>
<p>To be fair there are a fair few people who have dismantled the little prick&#8217;s thesis in the comments, but it doesnt make any difference to that bunch of twats.</p>
<p>You heard it officially on Harrys Place folks &#8212; Paki and Nigger and Coon jokes don&#8217;t make you a racist.</p>
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		<title>By: Kulvinder</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1203#comment-68780</link>
		<dc:creator>Kulvinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He deserving or not deserving a knighthood aside (its a matter of opinion after all), far far far worse things are said about Islam on the internet everyday.  Getting upset over Salman Rushdie seems so quaint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He deserving or not deserving a knighthood aside (its a matter of opinion after all), far far far worse things are said about Islam on the internet everyday.  Getting upset over Salman Rushdie seems so quaint.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisC</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1203#comment-68772</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 06:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NB Sunny - that should be &quot;fewer&quot; protests, not &quot;less&quot;!

The most readable (and short) Rushdie novel is &quot;Fury&quot;.
Very good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NB Sunny &#8211; that should be &#8220;fewer&#8221; protests, not &#8220;less&#8221;!</p>
<p>The most readable (and short) Rushdie novel is &#8220;Fury&#8221;.<br />
Very good.</p>
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		<title>By: Young Fogey</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1203#comment-68769</link>
		<dc:creator>Young Fogey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 02:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst I have no particular interest in Sir Salmanâ€™s novels I am pleased to see him honoured as his knighthood demonstrates that whilst honouring our own we will not be intimidated or influenced by outside political pressures. 

It is of course ludicrous to claim that this honour is â€œan obvious example of fighting against Islam by high-ranking British officials.â€ Were this true we would not have seen a 2005 knighthood bestowed by The Queen upon Sir Iqbal Sacranie, Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain, described by The Guardian as the â€œMost Influential Muslim in the UKâ€. 

Rather than criticise the British government, Iran should congratulate Britain for having recently raised a number of British Muslims to the highest ranks of British Society as members of the House of Lords. These include Lord Ahmed of Rotherham, the first Muslim peer; Lord Patel of Blackburn, leader of the British Hajj Delegation; Baroness Falkner of Margravine; and Baroness Uddin of Bethnal Green. See my blog for more: http://www.bloggingyoungfogey.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst I have no particular interest in Sir Salmanâ€™s novels I am pleased to see him honoured as his knighthood demonstrates that whilst honouring our own we will not be intimidated or influenced by outside political pressures. </p>
<p>It is of course ludicrous to claim that this honour is â€œan obvious example of fighting against Islam by high-ranking British officials.â€ Were this true we would not have seen a 2005 knighthood bestowed by The Queen upon Sir Iqbal Sacranie, Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain, described by The Guardian as the â€œMost Influential Muslim in the UKâ€. </p>
<p>Rather than criticise the British government, Iran should congratulate Britain for having recently raised a number of British Muslims to the highest ranks of British Society as members of the House of Lords. These include Lord Ahmed of Rotherham, the first Muslim peer; Lord Patel of Blackburn, leader of the British Hajj Delegation; Baroness Falkner of Margravine; and Baroness Uddin of Bethnal Green. See my blog for more: <a href="http://www.bloggingyoungfogey.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloggingyoungfogey.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone else made that point to me today too, if the media stopped paying so much attention to these attention seeking imbeciles, then maybe we&#039;d have less protests.

I&#039;m glad the media didn&#039;t bother covering this weeekend&#039;s &#039;British Oppression&#039; demo.

As for the Musharraf comment - true, he didn&#039;t say anything, but I doubt this would have gone through without his approval. The man wants attention deflected away from him, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if this carries on in Pak for a bit. Most people will wonder what the fuss is about, a small bunch of troublemakers will continue to attract attention.

As for the MCB, clearly I spoke too soon. God help us from such stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone else made that point to me today too, if the media stopped paying so much attention to these attention seeking imbeciles, then maybe we&#8217;d have less protests.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad the media didn&#8217;t bother covering this weeekend&#8217;s &#8216;British Oppression&#8217; demo.</p>
<p>As for the Musharraf comment &#8211; true, he didn&#8217;t say anything, but I doubt this would have gone through without his approval. The man wants attention deflected away from him, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if this carries on in Pak for a bit. Most people will wonder what the fuss is about, a small bunch of troublemakers will continue to attract attention.</p>
<p>As for the MCB, clearly I spoke too soon. God help us from such stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: sid</title>
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		<dc:creator>sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 23:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too am with Katy on this one.

Let&#039;s face it, we all know why Sir Salman got his title.
It is because he is a Muslim, a prominent &quot;intellectual&quot;, and he was firmly pro-Iraq war. He also happens to be a smooth media operator who has been lobbying hard for the title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am with Katy on this one.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it, we all know why Sir Salman got his title.<br />
It is because he is a Muslim, a prominent &#8220;intellectual&#8221;, and he was firmly pro-Iraq war. He also happens to be a smooth media operator who has been lobbying hard for the title.</p>
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		<title>By: Eremos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eremos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Katy on this one. His books are have been progressively getting rubbish. The Satanic Verses was a last ditch attempt to resurrect a flagging career. 

Now if they gave out fatwas for rubbish books, now that would be cool. No more pulp lining the walls of Waterstones. 

All this stink reminds me of the Brick Lane debacle of 2003 and 2006.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Katy on this one. His books are have been progressively getting rubbish. The Satanic Verses was a last ditch attempt to resurrect a flagging career. </p>
<p>Now if they gave out fatwas for rubbish books, now that would be cool. No more pulp lining the walls of Waterstones. </p>
<p>All this stink reminds me of the Brick Lane debacle of 2003 and 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ziz,

You think they read it before being outraged?

I managed Midnight&#039;s Children (I was younger then and had more stamina)but never got far into any of the others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ziz,</p>
<p>You think they read it before being outraged?</p>
<p>I managed Midnight&#8217;s Children (I was younger then and had more stamina)but never got far into any of the others.</p>
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