Comments on: Ramesh Kallidai, Hindu fanatic

By: Pickled Politics » Labour MP sucks up to Hindu fanatics

Pickled Politics » Labour MP sucks up to Hindu fanatics — Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:02:28 +0000

[...] reporter Andrew Gilligan did an expose of the Hindu so-called ‘community leader’ Ramesh Kallidai and exposed his relationships with various far-right Hindu organisations here and in [...]

By: Daljit

Daljit — Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:31:54 +0000

Andrew Gilligan is unwise to have a picture of Mr Kalirai and his wife and child onhis article. Though I loathe all Hindu fundamentalists I wouldn’t want Gilligan to be responsible for another person losing his life!

By: Mohammed al Qureshi

Mohammed al Qureshi — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:41:38 +0000

Look at this comment by Ramesh in the Guardian:

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/ramesh_kallidai/2007/07/on_the_horns_of_a_dilemma.html

Dunno what to make of it – but he doesnt sound exactly like a fundamentalist – seems balanced.

By: Aftab

Aftab — Sat, 30 Jun 2007 23:11:36 +0000

Ramesh is a really good bloke and makes good ties with other faiths, this article and Andrews article is incorrect.

By: sonia

sonia — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:31:46 +0000

and before the hyenas come out, i don’t mean one should say racism is a ‘good thing’ simply that one can talk about the problem or phenomenon of ‘racism’ without going on too negatively about the people. you know – along the lines of in cognitive behavioural therapy – trying to think of things as something you’ve done, and realising it is negative, without thinking ‘oh im a bad person’ and that’s it, which is never constructive. its about getting away from the idea that people are inherently bad or evil or disposed to one type of behaviour, and moving towards an understanding that as humans we all have the capacity for x y and z, and instead of ‘demonising’ it – seeing it rationally, and looking for understanding of the complex factors involved. in order to sort out the problematic behaviour.

of course this is no doubt all too subtle for the ’so and so is A racist’ crowd.

By: sonia

sonia — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:27:57 +0000

in the same way if you want to do something about racism, you might want to talk about it openly instead of demonising it and sending it underground.

By: sonia

sonia — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:27:09 +0000

but in any case, if he is a ‘fundamentalist’ surely you have to get the fundamentalists around the table if you want to get some inter-fundamentalist (oops inter-community) harmony.

seeing as you know they’re out there -what are you going to do? not ‘negotiate’ with them? not speak to them? why not have them around the table and say you’re here because of x y z e.g. u can go back and talk to them nutters in their language whatever. i don’t know.

By: sonia

sonia — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:22:55 +0000

i went to a faith communities and open space forum thing where this kallidai bloke was supposed to be at. having heard of him through sunny’s posts i was most curious. unfortunately he didn’t show up, so the Hindu faith was represented by a lovely scottish bloke who is the president of the international society for hare-krishnas. but there were other people there from the Hindu Forum, so it can’t quite be a one-man band.

By: Refresh

Refresh — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 11:13:34 +0000

No compliment. If your post is misunderstood then please elaborate.

By: bharat

bharat — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 09:08:36 +0000

That sounds like a complement. Actually, logic leaves no room for hatred, but truth can be stranger than fiction.

As for my comment bing incendiary, I am rather a little curious who is inclined to set the fire ablaze. It is hardly likely to be the Ramesh Kalladai’s of the world whose only mission is not to be ignored. His associations has been confused with for his bark, and any bite has been pure fiction. We live in any age when Lords and Ladies are all to happy associate with the local drug peddler. When did the quite innocent association and company that Ramesh Kalladai kept become an offence when there have been stranger bedfellows to worry about.

By: Jai

Jai — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:33:28 +0000

The fact that the same riots have happened in France and Great Britain in recent years might have more to do with the provacation of Islam.

There haven’t been any large-scale anti-Muslim riots in Britain.

By: Refresh

Refresh — Tue, 26 Jun 2007 06:39:40 +0000

Bharat

Of all the posts I’ve read in all the time I have been on Pickled Politics, yours looks so innocent but probably the most incendiary.

Your post seems like pure hatred dressed up as logic and reason.

By: bharat

bharat — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:07:05 +0000

I have been rather amused at commentators here working themselves into a frenzy on Hindu fundamentalists. Trying to equate the RSS to Hitlers Brownshirts overlooks the fact that Hindus have hardly been able to work themselves into that sort of frenzy. The fact remains that the VHP is a religious charity under the supervision of the Charity Commission. The VHP shows the same sort of religious zeal as evangelical Christians has a great deal to do with the example set by Christian missionary activity. That they have imbued lessons in extremism from Islam should not be surprising. As for the RSS’a historical admiration for Hitler, it should be remembered that the British were in occupation of India. The fact remains that there is no RSS presence outside of India. The RSS is represented by the HSS, but like the RSS, HSS is a proponent of strong ties with Israel. Diplomatic ties with Israel were only establised under the government of BJP, the RSS’s political wing and that is more real than Golwalkar utterances under British occupation. The fact such charges continue to fly has more to do with Hindusism’s prediliction for idol worship. As for the riots that occurred in Gujarat, they were more endemic during British rule and even tolerated. The fact that the same riots have happened in France and Great Britain in recent years might have more to do with the provacation of Islam.

By: neo

neo — Sat, 23 Jun 2007 20:48:14 +0000

haha, so this is where sunray is hiding!

“Ramesh is a wonderful pleasant guy.”

you don’t have to be a complete bastard to hold some dodgy views you know. many would say idi amin was a charming pleasant dude. which he probably was. that doesn’t mean he’s an angel.

By: sunray

sunray — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:48:57 +0000

The games media play with VHP and RSS

http://www.indolink.com/displayArticleS.php?id=022305045250

By: The rise and rise of Ramesh Kallidai « Sangh Samachar

The rise and rise of Ramesh Kallidai « Sangh Samachar — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 04:59:07 +0000

[...] Cohesion. And Andrew Gilligan of the Evening Standard has now come out with a report on Kallidai (The rise and rise of the Hindu fundamentalist father). The ES report has some interesting nuggets, here’s a summary and [...]

By: Twining or Black in Blue

Twining or Black in Blue — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:12:33 +0000

Sorry, but my maths has always been poor! How did I go from (1) to (3) to (4) and (5)? This is point (2)Oh yes and I have heard of academic racism. It’s an intelligent form of bigotry.

By: Twining or Black in Blue

Twining or Black in Blue — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:10:08 +0000

Dear Sunray, I have lived with the extreme forms of institutional racism that exist to this day. Not once have some of us lied. Some Black and Asian Officer’s and staff do not tell the full truth; they are rather economical with it. They say only what they think their leaders wish to hear. Is this Cahoots enough for you? Because none of this helps Stephen Lawrence or any Asian or White kid killed because of the colour of their skin. Yopu under estimate the power of racism and you undermine our intelligence. We are not here to live up to the Jones’s or Patel’s, though it is a good goodness gracious me sketch I believe.

By: Sunny

Sunny — Sun, 17 Jun 2007 23:03:56 +0000

I wont bother posting anything here anymore.

I keep hoping neither of you do. I’m not interested in having conversations with victim-mentality people who think the world is out to get them. You’re bigots, both of you. I make fun of Muslim headcases and don’t want them infesting my blog. The same goes for Hindu and Sikh headcases who only bleat about being victims and blaming others and slinging mud at me. I can’t remember the last time either of you (Muzumdar, Sunray) actually made a useful point to a discussion. I can do without such ‘alternative’ points of view.

Most contributors to CIF are right-wing head cases.

They tolerate them. I don’t tolerate bigots or headcases.

By: sunray

sunray — Sun, 17 Jun 2007 22:01:04 +0000

I didnt know I was banned from here? Please confirm on what grounds and why was my post deleted?

If I am being banned for expressing a view oppsite to yours then please say so. I wont bother posting anything here anymore.

If you want to control one sided conversation here then its your forum and you have the right.