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		<title>By: Chairwoman</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1189#comment-68057</link>
		<dc:creator>Chairwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don - You are a card :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don &#8211; You are a card <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone else report this? A very scanty story as presented by the Mail. 

If the women were there in order to harass wounded military personnel and their visitors, then that probably is a security issue, and low conduct to boot.

If they were there, in a public area, on personal business and a chance encounter grew heated, another matter.

The soldier in question dismissed it as a trivial matter(if the source is to be trusted in anything). This has all the indications of a non-story. 

inders,

Would you care to expand on your Platonian theory? it sounds thrillingly sophisticated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone else report this? A very scanty story as presented by the Mail. </p>
<p>If the women were there in order to harass wounded military personnel and their visitors, then that probably is a security issue, and low conduct to boot.</p>
<p>If they were there, in a public area, on personal business and a chance encounter grew heated, another matter.</p>
<p>The soldier in question dismissed it as a trivial matter(if the source is to be trusted in anything). This has all the indications of a non-story. </p>
<p>inders,</p>
<p>Would you care to expand on your Platonian theory? it sounds thrillingly sophisticated.</p>
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		<title>By: Katy Newton</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1189#comment-68055</link>
		<dc:creator>Katy Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ally - I didn&#039;t think of that interpretation - I mean, that the women were a security threat because they were Muslim.  I thought it was that three women who weren&#039;t connected to the hospital were able to walk in without being stopped.  If that is what the Daily Mail meant then it&#039;s ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ally &#8211; I didn&#8217;t think of that interpretation &#8211; I mean, that the women were a security threat because they were Muslim.  I thought it was that three women who weren&#8217;t connected to the hospital were able to walk in without being stopped.  If that is what the Daily Mail meant then it&#8217;s ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: inders</title>
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		<dc:creator>inders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 20:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The officer deserves it, he&#039;s representing the army.  The army is not beyond criticism.  

I subscribe to the Platonian theory that the dogs of war should be caged and poked with a stick occasionaly.  Only let out when we need them to defend us by bombing the schmuck out of a small country of coloured people, which tends to be the only reason they exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The officer deserves it, he&#8217;s representing the army.  The army is not beyond criticism.  </p>
<p>I subscribe to the Platonian theory that the dogs of war should be caged and poked with a stick occasionaly.  Only let out when we need them to defend us by bombing the schmuck out of a small country of coloured people, which tends to be the only reason they exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Jai</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1189#comment-68040</link>
		<dc:creator>Jai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunny,

=&gt;&quot;Iâ€™m not sure how this is a security issue?&quot;

There are concerns amongst the British government and military about British military personnel being targetted by jihadists right here in the UK. Also, apparently there was a plot in Birmingham (last year ?) which involved British jihadists wanting to kidnap and torture a member of the armed forces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunny,</p>
<p>=&gt;&#8221;Iâ€™m not sure how this is a security issue?&#8221;</p>
<p>There are concerns amongst the British government and military about British military personnel being targetted by jihadists right here in the UK. Also, apparently there was a plot in Birmingham (last year ?) which involved British jihadists wanting to kidnap and torture a member of the armed forces.</p>
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		<title>By: Radical Muslim</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1189#comment-67961</link>
		<dc:creator>Radical Muslim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 21:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Iraq War Inquiry...&lt;/strong&gt;

	&#8220;MPs have rejected the Tories&#8217; call for an inquiry into the war in Iraq.  Shadow foreign secretary William Hague had told MPs ministers had &#8220;no adequate reason&#8221; to block an inquiry into the war&#8217;s build-up and immediate af...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Iraq War Inquiry&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>	&#8220;MPs have rejected the Tories&#8217; call for an inquiry into the war in Iraq.  Shadow foreign secretary William Hague had told MPs ministers had &#8220;no adequate reason&#8221; to block an inquiry into the war&#8217;s build-up and immediate af&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That speech was the most appalling pi-jaw. Again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That speech was the most appalling pi-jaw. Again.</p>
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		<title>By: Muzumdar</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1189#comment-67944</link>
		<dc:creator>Muzumdar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;you taking the ****?&lt;/i&gt;

Of course not. Tony (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) has explicitly said that he is in communion with God. What more proof do you need that he is the Messiah?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>you taking the ****?</i></p>
<p>Of course not. Tony (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) has explicitly said that he is in communion with God. What more proof do you need that he is the Messiah?</p>
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		<title>By: Ms_Xtreme</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1189#comment-67943</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms_Xtreme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muzumbar, you taking the ****?

:\

I&#039;ll sign any petition to stop bullying. This was just that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muzumbar, you taking the ****?</p>
<p>:\</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll sign any petition to stop bullying. This was just that.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1189#comment-67942</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 20:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A bit late but I think you should have covered Tony Blairâ€™s (SAW, may Allah be pleased with him) plans to reform the way Islam is taught in universitiesâ€¦&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Heh, I&#039;ll file that under &#039;damned if we do, damned if don&#039;t&#039;. We don&#039;t cover it and someone will say we should, we do and we get accusations of being obsessed with Islam!

I&#039;ll refer my right honourable friend to comments made sometime ago by Sunny that we follow our own agenda here at PP not the media&#039;s, not Blair&#039;s etc. Well that is the lofty ideal...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A bit late but I think you should have covered Tony Blairâ€™s (SAW, may Allah be pleased with him) plans to reform the way Islam is taught in universitiesâ€¦</p></blockquote>
<p>Heh, I&#8217;ll file that under &#8216;damned if we do, damned if don&#8217;t&#8217;. We don&#8217;t cover it and someone will say we should, we do and we get accusations of being obsessed with Islam!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll refer my right honourable friend to comments made sometime ago by Sunny that we follow our own agenda here at PP not the media&#8217;s, not Blair&#8217;s etc. Well that is the lofty ideal&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Muzumdar</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1189#comment-67939</link>
		<dc:creator>Muzumdar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What should we be covering in your view?&lt;/i&gt;

A bit late but I think you should have covered Tony Blair&#039;s (SAW, may Allah be pleased with him) plans to reform the way Islam is taught in universities...

I await the Shahih Blair Ahadiths with great anticipation....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What should we be covering in your view?</i></p>
<p>A bit late but I think you should have covered Tony Blair&#8217;s (SAW, may Allah be pleased with him) plans to reform the way Islam is taught in universities&#8230;</p>
<p>I await the Shahih Blair Ahadiths with great anticipation&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1189#comment-67936</link>
		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;My list is rapidly expanding. Iâ€™m out to make bigger enemies now.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He he.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;My list is rapidly expanding. Iâ€™m out to make bigger enemies now.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>He he.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1189#comment-67934</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why is this top of the pile on PP given the headlines tonight.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What should we be covering in your view?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why is this top of the pile on PP given the headlines tonight.</p></blockquote>
<p>What should we be covering in your view?</p>
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		<title>By: rachi</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1189#comment-67933</link>
		<dc:creator>rachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is about security. It doesnt say anything about the soldier bursting into tears. And the reference is to security. 

Why is this top of the pile on PP given the headlines tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is about security. It doesnt say anything about the soldier bursting into tears. And the reference is to security. </p>
<p>Why is this top of the pile on PP given the headlines tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1189#comment-67932</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Has Patrick Mercer joined your Melanie Philips list Sunny?&lt;/i&gt;

My list is rapidly expanding. I&#039;m out to make bigger enemies now :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Has Patrick Mercer joined your Melanie Philips list Sunny?</i></p>
<p>My list is rapidly expanding. I&#8217;m out to make bigger enemies now <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nyrone</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1189#comment-67930</link>
		<dc:creator>Nyrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They did WHAT?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They did WHAT?</p>
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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1189#comment-67929</link>
		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has Patrick Mercer joined your Melanie Philips list Sunny?

Excellent points Sonia, Sid and Chairwoman.

We berate our soldiers when they behave in what we see as an uncivilized manner (which of course they will do, having been trained to kill), then laugh at them when they display human emotion.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;For it&#039;s Tommy this, an&#039; Tommy that, an&#039; &quot;Chuck him out, the brute!&quot; 
But it&#039;s &quot;Saviour of &#039;is country,&quot; when the guns begin to shoot; 
An&#039; it&#039;s Tommy this, an&#039; Tommy that, an&#039; anything you please; 
But Tommy ain&#039;t a bloomin&#039; fool - you bet that Tommy sees!&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.web-books.com/classics/poetry/anthology/Kipling/Tommy.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has Patrick Mercer joined your Melanie Philips list Sunny?</p>
<p>Excellent points Sonia, Sid and Chairwoman.</p>
<p>We berate our soldiers when they behave in what we see as an uncivilized manner (which of course they will do, having been trained to kill), then laugh at them when they display human emotion.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;For it&#8217;s Tommy this, an&#8217; Tommy that, an&#8217; &#8220;Chuck him out, the brute!&#8221;<br />
But it&#8217;s &#8220;Saviour of &#8216;is country,&#8221; when the guns begin to shoot;<br />
An&#8217; it&#8217;s Tommy this, an&#8217; Tommy that, an&#8217; anything you please;<br />
But Tommy ain&#8217;t a bloomin&#8217; fool &#8211; you bet that Tommy sees!&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.web-books.com/classics/poetry/anthology/Kipling/Tommy.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.web-books.com/classics/poetry/anthology/Kipling/Tommy.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chairwoman</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1189#comment-67928</link>
		<dc:creator>Chairwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inders - Oh right, he deserved to be verbally abused by complete strangers for visiting injured colleagues in hospital.

Well hang me, draw me, and quarter me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inders &#8211; Oh right, he deserved to be verbally abused by complete strangers for visiting injured colleagues in hospital.</p>
<p>Well hang me, draw me, and quarter me.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynne Jones MP comes out of this worse than any of the other protagonists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynne Jones MP comes out of this worse than any of the other protagonists.</p>
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		<title>By: ZinZin</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1189#comment-67918</link>
		<dc:creator>ZinZin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The officer deserves it.&quot;

Remember that the next time you get verbally abused by a complete stranger for no good reason. This gentleman did nothing to warrant this behaviour.

&quot;I was under the mistaken impression he thought our soldiers were made of sterner stuff.&quot;

Believe it or not they are Human even if they do work in the armed forces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The officer deserves it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Remember that the next time you get verbally abused by a complete stranger for no good reason. This gentleman did nothing to warrant this behaviour.</p>
<p>&#8220;I was under the mistaken impression he thought our soldiers were made of sterner stuff.&#8221;</p>
<p>Believe it or not they are Human even if they do work in the armed forces.</p>
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