Daily Star shamelessly promotes the English Defence League


by Sunny
10th February, 2011 at 11:00 am    

The Daily Star is crowing about starting a “national debate” about the EDL.

We told yesterday how the EDL, the group behind Saturday’s Luton march, wants to be taken seriously, like the British National Party, by fielding candidates in local and general elections. Our coverage has sparked a huge nationwide debate, with critics rubbishing the EDL as racist thugs and supporters claiming they are raising legitimate concerns among British people.

We asked in yesterday’s voteline if you would back the EDL and 99% of you said you would.

Ain’t that nice. (via @moretheylie)

Another Daily Star article claims the EDL ‘wants to go political’. Tommy Robinson is already dreaming about a media and political career, claiming he should be allowed on to BBC Question Time and that he would bring 10,000 supporters to the streets if he was invited. They could only manage a third of that in their biggest demo to date, in Luton on Saturday.

Tommy Robinson is an astute character. When I spoke to him and interviewed in Luton, he said he was for immigration and for racial mixing. He was only against immigration from Muslim countries he said, but otherwise went out of his way to praise how immigrants have contributed to Britain.

He knows exactly what labels people want to pin on him, so he will do his best to avoid them and confuse interviewers. At Luton he said:

We would rather stand with one proud black patriot than a hundred scumbag racists

They expect him to be a bumbling racist, and yet he’s an articulate, working class man who makes them look like sneering middle-class journalists. This is an important point because the media either worships the EDL, as the Daily Star is doing here, or it clumsily caricatures them.

What’s needed, to tackle the English Defence League, is a different set of questions and information about the EDL that journalists can use when questioning them. Leave your thoughts / info on this below.

The EDL are planning a rally in Birmingham on March 19.


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  1. Yakoub — on 10th February, 2011 at 11:18 am  

    The fact that Tommy Sociopath is an effective media manipulator (so is Anjem Choudray) shouldn’t distract from everything we’ve seen of the overwhelming majority of EDL supporters – that the so-called caricature is not a caricature at all, but they are in fact far-right Islamophobic racist thugs. Look at their videos, see them at the demos, check out their page on Facebook, and probably (allegedly) most of the unreported attacks on Muslims and mosques (just like the 1970s, really). The reason The Star is taking this stance is down to Cameron giving ‘em the big thumbs up to join Britain’s number one Muzzie-bashing gang – the Tory right, sorry, I mean mainland European liberals, sorry, I mean the EDL.

  2. Shamit — on 10th February, 2011 at 11:29 am  

    Good points Sunny – would come back to you with some thoughts.

  3. Tenzin — on 10th February, 2011 at 11:34 am  

    The EDL have postponed the March 19th rally because it clashes with the Wolves-Villa game on the same day.

    http://www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2011/02/10/the-english-defence-league-postpone-birmingham-protest-97319-28146187/

  4. Sarah AB — on 10th February, 2011 at 11:40 am  

    I thought the post was good – but I also thought DC’s speech was, if not perfect, good in many respects too.

    I find it interesting to note how far those with ‘concerns’ are concerned about Muslims who often seem to be the main victims of what might broadly be described as Islamism.

    Tommy Robinson, as described here, sounds a bit like Douglas Murray.

    (apart from the working class bit)

  5. Peter Wren — on 10th February, 2011 at 11:48 am  

    The EDL has the appearance of a “grassroots” organisation. However, they are bankrolled by Alan Lake, a wealthy Zionist businessmen, who also advises the Swedish Democrats. Lake has some strange ideas, such as implying the theory of evolution is a Communist plot! http://barthsnotes.wordpress.com/2010/02/07/alan-lake-vs-charles-darwin/ Lake also seem very keen on the idea of executing political opponents should the EDL ever have a political foothold http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/05/452328.html

    Also, a glance at the leaked EDL donors list reveals a number of other religious extremists as supporters, such as Hugo Schonhaar, shock horror, another Zionist.

    Whilst it would seem on the surface those who attend EDL demos are mainly comprised of disenfranchised white working class, it would also seem evident they are merely puppets to their Zionist puppetmasters. Is it any surprise the EDL are supported by Richard Zion Desmond’s Daily Star? Islamists are not the only religious extremists within the UK – Other extremist groups and religious sects simply have more subtle and latent ways of pushing their agenda.

  6. Rumbold — on 10th February, 2011 at 12:15 pm  

    Peter Wren:

    I wondered when someone was going to turn up and blame the Zionists. No evidence is prestned of course that this is a Zionist-controlled organisation. But evidence rarely is presented (that is not to say that no one involved in the EDL is a zionist, but to describe it as a zionist organisation is ridiculous).

  7. cjcjc — on 10th February, 2011 at 12:18 pm  

    “Zionist puppetmasters” – most excellent – there you are Sunny, I think Peter Wren has just given you your best attack line!!

  8. mangles — on 10th February, 2011 at 12:19 pm  

    ‘The EDL have postponed the March 19th rally because it clashes with the Wolves-Villa game on the same day.’

    Perhaps some of the thuggish element they were relying on will be distracted by a game of football (the ones that are banned from football stadia and so have to watch the game at home or in the local pub).

    If only such banning orders could apply to political life too? Not likely suppose given that most of the parliamentarians are swindlers and fraudsters, and the other half blue-blooded nazis, lol. Too simplistic a look I know but what do you expect after I’ve been on the Daily Star website?

    Rab rakha!

  9. meatpie — on 10th February, 2011 at 12:24 pm  

    I slipped down a escalator the other day,im sure Zionists had something to do with it. I also blame the Zionists for my dogs death,the rape of my gran,world famine,pestilence,Galloways beard,aids,IBS and noels Edmonds anus.

  10. Kismet Hardy — on 10th February, 2011 at 12:25 pm  

    I’ll always love the daily star simply for their coverage of diana’s death. While every other tabloid went for a black top with an angelic image of her and the simple headline DIANA IS DEAD,they photoshopped a cloud to look like her and ran with: DI IN THE SKY

    That’s quality journalism for you

  11. Peter Wren — on 10th February, 2011 at 12:42 pm  

    @Rumbold “No evidence is prestned of course that this is a Zionist-controlled organisation”

    Apart from most of their major financial backers and overseas supporters are Zionists. Look at the Luton demo, and the EDL’s main speaker: Orthodox Rabbi Nachum Shifren.

    If you join the dots the Star of David is pretty clear to see. Saying that, I would assume most decent Jewish folk are horrified at the association. Just like most decent Muslims are equally horrified at the rantings of Anjem Choudary.

  12. jamal — on 10th February, 2011 at 12:51 pm  

    Is it any surprise the daily low IQ is promoting the thugs of the edl.

    On newsnight the edl spokesperson was not articulate at all. He was given a set of questions and he couldn’t even answer a single one, he’s answer to every question was muslim extremist muslim extremist and muslim extremist!

    Talking to the daily star is more his level.

  13. Trofim — on 10th February, 2011 at 1:01 pm  

    I could definitely see some little bubbles, about dot size, which formed a rough star of David in my porridge this morning. I tried joining them up, but my felt-tip got clogged up.

  14. douglas clark — on 10th February, 2011 at 1:02 pm  

    I saw this guy on Newsnight up against Paxman and he gave a better ‘performance’ than I’d have thought he could.

    It seems to me that it is this continual conflation of nutcase islamists with your average muslim that has to be the point of attack against him and his. I do not feel in the slightest bit threatened by muslims in general but their more extreme fundamentalists are taken by the likes of Tommy Robinson to be representative when they are not.

    All of the reporting here and on LC suggests that they are not actually a very big group at the moment so perhaps our concerns are overblown? If Anjem Choudary can control a media cycle with six men and a dug, it is hardly surprising that Tommy Robinson can do it with a support of circa 4000. We tend to lose perspective when we watch 24/7 news, yes?

  15. cjcjc — on 10th February, 2011 at 1:11 pm  

    The problem isn’t Choudary though, is it?
    He’s no more than a harmless clown.

    It’s the hate preachers hosted by the East London Mosque and others; the anti-semitic literature many of them stock; the anti-semitic textbooks is some schools…

  16. Kismet Hardy — on 10th February, 2011 at 1:22 pm  

    I just read choudary’s website. Sounds like a laugh. I’d share a pipe with him any day

  17. Kisan — on 10th February, 2011 at 1:52 pm  

    Peter Wren, you posted a couple of interesting links. Alan Lake is obviously an extremist with a religious tinge as per those links and his own words. However he seems to be a Christian fundamentalist and not a ‘Zionist’ as in Jew.
    http://barthsnotes.wordpress.com/2010/12/16/alan-lake-and-a-couple-of-friends/
    .The driving force behind these links are two men who have been guiding the EDL from the shadows, Alan Lake and his close friend whom we know only as “Kinana”.

    The two men are believed to have met at Kensington Temple, in Notting Hill Gate, west London, which belongs to the Elim Pentecostal Church, a protestant evangelical church, elements of which have attracted controversy for their hardline views on Christianity, homosexuality and Islam.

    It is believed that Lake has moved away from the church but Kinana has maintained his links.

    Of course as someone supporting Israel he could be called a Zionist in some sense but making that his primary identification as you do misleads and misinforms.

    I did a quick search and some indymedia articles (hardly the highest standard of media) and some stormfront articles are billing him as a Zionist (stormfront in their racist way are also calling him a Jew, again not accurate – but down at stormfront they’re not generally too bright).

    Perhaps you have a thing for Zionists? Make sure you check under your bed before you sleep. Otherwise you could trying modifying your language a bit.

  18. Bored in Kavanagasau — on 10th February, 2011 at 1:59 pm  

    Daily Star is to EDL as Guardian is to Hamas: not entirely uncritical supporters but supporters nevertheless.

  19. Rumbold — on 10th February, 2011 at 2:11 pm  

    Peter Wren:

    I know Richard Bartholomew won’t thank you for linking to him as ‘proof’ that the EDL is a zionist conspiracy (which his pieces don’t show of course).

    If you join the dots the Star of David is pretty clear to see

    To you perhaps. But I suspect that happens a lot with you.

  20. cromarty_4 — on 10th February, 2011 at 2:38 pm  

    SYL has no real understanding of Sharia and has never read the Koran, instead choosing select passages which appear to show Islam as a violent religion and that Sharia law will be enforced on everyone in the UK. Unfortunately recent interviewers seem to have the same lack of understanding so are unable to challenge him, even when he says the New Testament is the modern version of the bible! What is needed is for him to be properly questioned to show that his statements are false, without attemppting to brush aside the threat of groups such as MAC.

  21. Kismet Hardy — on 10th February, 2011 at 2:44 pm  

    Oh my god. If you go from Luton to Maidstone to Gloucester to Chelmsford to Trowbridge then back to Luton, what do you get?

    The star of david.

    It’s not safe to travel people.

  22. Suburban Alliance — on 10th February, 2011 at 3:27 pm  

    why does Tommy Robinson have a fake name?

    And why is it Tommy Robinson? I could have thought of some much more patriotic ones.

  23. damon — on 10th February, 2011 at 3:43 pm  

    UAF’s approach so far has been to make it one of ”the people verses the Nazis”. I’ve said it about seven times now, I was never happy with this way of doing things. But accept that it’s the most natural and easy way of organising. And it is successful to a degree. Of course it would be better if the EDL went away.
    I wonder though if people like Tommy Robinson are worth talking to. If he and the people around him are going to really start reading in detail, the things that the worst of the Islamophobic hate sites produce, then probably not.
    But as unfortunate as this all is, rather than a worry over ”Nazis” – I see this as more of a culture clash. ‘The Daily Star meets Birmingham Central Mosque’.
    http://hurryupharry.org/2011/02/09/prime-minister-to-be-sued-by-birmingham-central-mosque/

    How do you explain that one to Tommy and his pals?
    They might ask you why does a mosque that attracts thousands of people for friday prayers, have an eejit like Dr Mohammed Naseem as it’s head guy.

  24. Peter Wren — on 10th February, 2011 at 3:44 pm  

    @Kisan Have you never heard of Christian Zionism? And seeing as you are obviously on a Google-as-you-go learning process with regards to the EDL, you might want to try Googling “Pamela Geller EDL”.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/oct/10/english-defence-league-tea-party
    http://www.facebook.com/alanlake2 (an interesting collection of friends & “liked” pages).

    Tommy Robinson/SYL is merely the “face” of the EDL; Alan Lake is the brains behind the operation. Like the Tea Party, “patriotic” astroturf movements require fine-tuned ideological management and dog-whistles in order to appeal to “ordinary” people – Cultural hegemony at its finest.

  25. mangles — on 10th February, 2011 at 3:49 pm  

    Kismet Hardy- ‘The star of david.’ lol- like it. I’ve even travelled a route which came out a crescent shape – though I had to revert on my outgoing journey. Please don’t tell the EDL- they’d ‘slamify me.

    Rab rakha!

  26. Sarah AB — on 10th February, 2011 at 4:57 pm  

    My husband claimed that our honeymoon route through France described the shape of a heart. (It was really more like a slightly dodgy kidney.)

  27. Sunny — on 10th February, 2011 at 5:37 pm  

    If you join the dots the Star of David is pretty clear to see.

    Can you take this looniness somewhere else please? Not interested.

  28. Peter Wren — on 10th February, 2011 at 6:41 pm  

    @Sunny. My apologies. I was only offering “a different set of questions and information about the EDL”.

    Maybe if churnalists actually did some proper research instead of rehashing the same old BNP reinvented/football hooligans blah blah then we might start to get somewhere. Journalists often comment on funding of political parties/organisations – Union links with Labour; City/Millionaires links with Tories. So why hardly any questions on who finances/advises the EDL?

    Do you honesty think wife-beating-coke-snorting Tommy Robinson single-handedly managed to forge links with radical elements of the Tea Party & gain the support of the Daily Star?

  29. Don — on 10th February, 2011 at 11:15 pm  

    wife-beating-coke-snorting Tommy Robinson

    Is that an established fact? Because otherwise it might be actionable.

  30. joe90 — on 11th February, 2011 at 12:33 am  

    post #29

    It was well publicised over year ago on blogs and is in Searchlight magazine which is only available if you pay subscription for it.

    otherwise you can have read of article here

    http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/The-BNP-past-of-EDL-leader

    a conviction for beating up his partner and kicking an off duty policeman in the head, cocaine all over the shop on top of that he had a family membership of the bnp. This new hero of the extreme right wing and edl leader claims he’s not racist or violent haha what an idiot!

  31. Sunny — on 11th February, 2011 at 1:56 am  

    @Sunny. My apologies. I was only offering “a different set of questions and information about the EDL”.

    YEah, sure you were.

    I would prefer less of the conspiracy crap, and more of tangible information that can be used as a document sheet about the English Defence League, for journalists.

  32. Yakoub — on 11th February, 2011 at 6:23 am  

    I don’t know about zionist masters ruling the EDL, but the EDL do like to sport the Israeli flag, don’t they? I wouldn’t dismiss the zionism connection just because it rings conspiracy theory bells. I had a zionist Hebrew teacher at Uni and the stuff she used to me about Muslims (before I was one) was barely distinguishable from the stuff I use to hear the UniSoc Salafis say about Jews (after I converted). That’s also been my experience of both groups since.

  33. Golam Murtaza — on 11th February, 2011 at 7:54 am  

    @Suburban Alliance.

    In response to your query about why he calls himself ‘Tommy Robinson’, I understand he’s naming himself after a notorious football hooligan.

  34. cjcjc — on 11th February, 2011 at 8:43 am  

    No doubt you prefer the Hamas flag?

  35. Jai — on 11th February, 2011 at 10:31 am  

    I would prefer less of the conspiracy crap, and more of tangible information that can be used as a document sheet about the English Defence League, for journalists.

    Already available in extensive detail via Hope Not Hate: http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/English-Defence-League

    That webpage also includes multiple URL links for further information, including a detailed overview of the EDL’s financier Alan Lake.

  36. James — on 11th February, 2011 at 10:44 am  

    How bizarre. The socialists here blame the zionists for the EDL, just as the national socialists at the BNP blame the zionists for the EDL, as do the Muslim Brotherhood.

    http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/520/BNP-blame-Zionists-for-EDL

    http://www.mpacuk.org/story/060909/exposed-edl-and-its-zionist-connection.html

    I think I read somewhere that the white nationalists blame the zionists for the EDL too. But I really can’t be bothered to go and look at stormfront again – once a year is more than enough.

    One doesn’t have to look very far through discussions among EDL supporters to see that some are zionists, some are anti-zionists, some support Israel but aren’t zionists, some support a 2 state solution, and some think that Israel is a complete distraction. Whaddaya know – there’s a range of opinions on a complex subject (clearly an unfathomable situation amongst the politically correct). Still, it must be the unholy zionists who are behind the EDL – because David Icke says so!

    http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/38174-uncovered-the-unholy-zionist-edl-alliance

    But is Icke totally whacko? What to make of the knife fight between EDL and Combat 18 in a pub in Whitehall, which left one of the C18 neo-nazis bloodied – apparently this was connected with EDL’s support for Israel.

    http://ianbone.wordpress.com/2009/11/02/edl-in-punch-up-with-c18/

    Strange how C18 never tackled EDL again after that fracas. Mind you, another neo-nazi organisation (The Racial Volunteer Force?) has recently declared war on the EDL.

    http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/4108534/1/

    Meanwhile, at every opportunity the UAF try to create a race riot with their “the nazis are coming to burn down the mosque” refrain. The terminally-stupid continue to support Hamas, even though in their Charter they are dedicated to destroying the jews on islamic grounds (“Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allah’s promise whatever time it might take…The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews and kill them”). Small wonder the Muslim Brotherhood supported Hitler.

    And 25 years after the foundation in the UK of the islamic fascist party Hizb ut Tahrir, last year Searchlight finally realised that muslim fanatics glorify the Waffen SS (apparently Searchlight only stumbled upon this “news” because of a confrontation between EDL and muslim fundamentalists):

    http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/blog/article/1018/A-plague-on-both-their-houses

    That so many people are ready to blame jews just shows that a thousand years of christian and muslim anti-semitism manages to squeeze itself into yet another form. Clearly, since the holocaust, people have just learned that they need to be a bit more nuanced in their jew-hatred. But such hatred serves to unite islamo-fascists, neo-nazis, socialists, and anti-fascists, and even “special” people like David Icke. Who’d have thought that the jews could provide so much social cohesion?

    Still, it seems reality is just a little too complex for most. The media, universities and politicians reduce thousands of years of political philosophy to “right wing”/”left wing”, a schoolyard-level of analysis that is little more than “you’re not in my gang”. Islam is THE religion of peace, and only white people can be racist, apparently.

    Support for EDL continues to grow at something like 1,000 people a day, which fact is met with dumb incomprehension by the “well-informed”. Perhaps it’s time that you started thinking for yourselves rather than fall back on crude stereotypes and prejudice.

  37. Boyo — on 11th February, 2011 at 11:40 am  

    “or it clumsily caricatures them.” Well, you do that a bit too, don’t you.

    The EDL are indeed largely a mix of louts and racists, but they are the tip of an iceberg of discontent and for all your talk of “tackling” them, you’ve historically been unwilling to analyse or discuss the phenomenon they represent, instead lazily smearing those who do (I mean the polite ones like me) as racists. I think you need to go back to first principals Sunny if you are really serious about “tackling” the EDL.

  38. joe90 — on 11th February, 2011 at 5:31 pm  

    Pretty simple when economy is in the toilet, unemployment rises and future looks bleak. Ultra nationalism and racism shows its ugly face.

  39. Boyo — on 11th February, 2011 at 10:06 pm  

    I disagree Joe90. The economy is simply another excuse (and it should not be allowed to stand as it will count as another evasion). Although you are half-right – it’s actually all about power.

    The EDL represent a class that has essentially been thrown on the scrapheap, excess to requirements. In 60 years its power has been neutered by a tripple whammy of mass immigration, welfare dependency and post-industrialism.

    To many white working class people, who have seen their power (fundamentally – bargaining, both in work and in politics) evaporate in just a couple of generations, symbols are all they have left and the army is one of the areas where they are still welcomed.

    Labour, the party named after them, long-since deserted them so they look to the flag, the Queen and the armed forces as meagre remnants of a kind of communal identity and pride (your sneers are part of the problem!).

    I believe the specific symbolic importance of the Islamist Luton demo against the army that sparked this off has therefore been significantly over-looked.

    Conversely, the EDF’s hostility against Islamism SHOULD be seen as a wider attack on immigration (and immigrants) BUT I do not believe this is really about racism but symbolic of disempowerment.

    A class that has basically had the carpet swept from beneath its feet is pushing back against the most visible (and vocal) symbol of this process – Islam. The disempowered are essentially attacking the disempowered.

    If someone on the left were to rediscover class, that might actually provide a way forward for everyone, but the truth is the people in power are perfectly comfortable where they are and so are happy to let one bunch of poor people battle another – it’s an old trick the British Empire used to use in the colonies, I think. Divide and rule, wasn’t it?

  40. obnoxous — on 12th February, 2011 at 1:41 am  

    Every time someone calls for a different political party to be formed the major parties always close ranks and slag off who ever tries to form one.
    They start saying that thier racist, and they couldn’t run the country just like they did with the BNP.
    Good luck to the EDL.
    It’s not racist to want your own country back, Pakistan, India, and most of all the colonies that we ruled have got thier countries back. So why is it a crime for the English people to want thiers back.
    These fiddling MPs don’t want thier way of life changing, NO SPANNERS IN THE WORKS. Thier happy to sit back and watch this country be over run by immigrants from other countries, just don’t take thier money off them or kick up a fuss. These tory cabinet ministers haven’t got a clue how people have to scrimp and scrape
    to make ends meet, thier all millionairs it does not affect them in the slitest way. This country cannot keep letting these people in, WERE FULL TO THE BRIM.
    Time to slam the door and start sending them back.
    Stuff these dogooders and human rights nuts,
    WHAT ABOUT OUR RIGHTS.

  41. turnip — on 12th February, 2011 at 2:03 am  

    Yes, we could start by chipping in and getting you off to some Adult Literacy classes, Obnoxous [sic].

  42. john P reid — on 12th February, 2011 at 3:08 am  

    (Daily Star shamelessly the EDL) ‘suports shamelessly’ implies that they know there’s something wrong in promoting them but doing it anyway,

    maybe the daily star do start to question whether doing things is wrong, well if they do, it’s more than the Pro palastinians do, who know they’re right and other people are wrong ,so it’s alright to call anyone criticising them “fascists”, yet ther aren’t any anti Israelly Jews whoare fascists are there?

  43. Nadeem — on 12th February, 2011 at 1:13 pm  

    Why do a number of politicians from the major parties make attempts to court the Green Party?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/mar/18/london08.politicalnews

    Apologies for the London-centric example.

  44. Golam Murtaza — on 13th February, 2011 at 10:48 am  

    @obnoxous
    “…and start sending them back.”

    I dare you to try it.

    Right, having got that out the way, I think Boyo puts the argument very well. I think he’s right.

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