More evidence Israel was never really interested in the peace roadmap


by Sunny
30th January, 2011 at 1:13 am    

Interesting piece in Foreign Policy magazine:

For the last eight years the roadmap has been the mother’s milk of U.S. efforts to resolve the conflict. It was at the heart of Barack Obama’s Cairo address of June 2009. After reminding the Palestinians of their obligations to end violence, Obama focused on Israel. “The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements,” he said.

The Palestinians took their obligations seriously: Beginning in 2004, the Palestinian leadership began reorganizing its security services. In 2005, the U.S. appointed a security coordinator to oversee this reform, and a U.S. general (Keith Dayton) recruited and trained 10 battalions of a National Security Force in Jordan to restore order in the West Bank. The NSF arrested Palestinian “extremists,” jailed Hamas activists, and even (as the Palestine Papers show) killed Palestinians at the request of the Israeli security services — creating a virtual Roadmap police state. While initially skeptical of Palestinian efforts, Israel began to cooperate with the Palestinian security services, urging them to assassinate “terrorists” who refused to abandon armed resistance to the Israeli occupation. But while the Palestinians attempted to meet their Roadmap obligations, the Israelis kept building — expanding settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank.

And this is the worst part – despite assurances that he would do everything to bring peace to the Middle East, George Bush and Condoleezza Rice were actually tougher on Israel than either Barack Obama or his negotiator George Mitchell.

That’s a really damning indictment of the Obama administration – they didn’t even bother pushing Israel on their own roadmap. Israel kept ignoring its side of the bargain while publicly claiming that Obama was much worse than Bush in his attitude towards Israel.

Related: Also worth noting is Israel’s response to the uprising in Egypt: “I’m not sure the time is right for the Arab region to go through the democratic process.” — apparently, this is the country in promoting democracy across the Middle East.


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  1. Boyo — on 30th January, 2011 at 9:09 am  

    Well it did seem a little odd that with popular revolutions erupting across the Mid East the “progressive generation’s” response had been somewhat muted and I had wondered what the missing ingredient might be. But finally the Zionist serpent made it worthy of a mention!

  2. douglas clark — on 30th January, 2011 at 10:28 am  

    boyo,

    There is a thread on this site about the ‘revolution’.

    It is, unfortunately, not very popular.

    It is here:

    http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/11575#comment-232290

    It is not very popular for a reason, and I have said more than enough there to get me banned….

    It is great to see Sunny’s final comment:

    Also worth noting is Israel’s response to the uprising in Egypt: “I’m not sure the time is right for the Arab region to go through the democratic process.” — apparently, this is the country in promoting democracy across the Middle East.

    That I agree with completely.

    Which is the point about how fucked up the Middle East actually is. Two tribes, going to war….

    What idiocy!

  3. Boyo — on 30th January, 2011 at 12:12 pm  

    I know, I commented on that thread unless earwicga deleted me too!

    It’s fair of them to say they will comment on what they choose. But it does leave one wondering what they actually give a toss about.

    PP (in fact Sunny’s) obsession with Israel is a mirror image of HP’s with Islam. Both are fair up to a point, but their coverage is obsessive to the exclusion of of domestic politics on HP and other progressive stuff on PP.

    But Earwicga’s slap-down of Joanna was also correct – it is for others to post or comment upon what they wish.

    Although I share your distaste for the way Earwicga comes across on-line, I think your personal comments on people (including me, obviously) are unnecessary. Sometimes I think we all spend a little too much time on-line ;-)

  4. douglas clark — on 30th January, 2011 at 1:10 pm  

    Boyo,

    Although I share your distaste for the way Earwicga comes across on-line, I think your personal comments on people (including me, obviously) are unnecessary. Sometimes I think we all spend a little too much time on-line ;-)

    Perhaps :-)

    It is the point of this place to argue and disagree with each other. It is not the point to have earwigca play censor.

    Perhaps she’d like to tell it as it is?

    I kind of hate censorship, whether it is of you or I.

    After all, all comment is worthwhile. Even wrong comment.

    For we ought to learn from seeing idiocy spelt out. If we are daft enough to see it as wisdom, then hell mend us…

  5. douglas clark — on 30th January, 2011 at 2:26 pm  

    Anyway,

    Well said Sunny.

    Expect to get censored if earwicga doesn’t agree.

  6. jamal — on 30th January, 2011 at 2:41 pm  

    interesting times in the middle east, the peace process was just a mirage after all.

    the current removals going on will either see the old regimes replaced by another set of faces but same old problems.

    or will the people in the region finally get the opportunities we take for granted and have the justice they deserve.

  7. Arif — on 30th January, 2011 at 7:36 pm  

    Sunny, I don’t think anyone is REALLY interested in the roadmap. But it is better than nothing and easy to ignore for both sides.

    The Israeli government and Fatah have common interests in undermining Hamas.

    The Israeli Government and Hamas doubtless have common interests in undermining Fatah.

    Hamas and Fatah also have common interests in undermining the Israeli Government.

    In all cases they maybe should be careful what they wish for. Perhaps they should reinterpret what is in their interests to enable them to be more supportive to one another. But there is a prisoners’ dilemma – if the first concession to the legitimacy of another’s point of view is expected to be taken as a sign of weakness and exploited in a short-termist way.

    In terms of Israel’s ambivalence towards democracy, isn’t everyone? Support for democracy is secondary to conceptions of national interests and national security. Israel is no different from any other government, east or west, in this regard.

    And it’s not just a “State” thing. Wouldn’t we as individuals be ambivalent between living in stable dictatorships or unstable democracies – witness the refugees preferring second-class status in Syria and Jordan to full citizenship in their native Iraq.

    Just as politicians sincerely believe themselves committed to democracy realise when push comes to shove they are actually more interested in having compliant neighbours, citizens sincerely believing themselves committed to democracy sometimes realise they are actually more interested in stable governance.

    Let’s not kid ourselves: if the Egyptian government was more just, honest and economically competent it would not be under such pressure from its citizens to democratise.

    Couldn’t Egypt go the way of Pakistan and get a democratic government that remains a US client? After all money and weapons will feed people and maintain elite control more easily than ideology alone.

    It won’t necessarily go the way of Iran where the elites appear less pragmatic. I think probably the only reason it would is if they believe US dollars are not going to be available to the new government for ideological reasons. So far the US are not making sounds like that, so I think Israel’s not in much danger of sunstantively losing its alliance.

    If there were more democracies in the middle east, it could become a different story (like Latin America) eventually, unevenly, overcoming “divide and rule” dynamics, asserting more independence from the US government and therefore putting different pressures on Israel’s government.

  8. Sunny — on 31st January, 2011 at 3:25 am  

    PP (in fact Sunny’s) obsession with Israel is a mirror image of HP’s with Islam. Both are fair up to a point, but their coverage is obsessive to the exclusion of of domestic politics on HP and other progressive stuff on PP.

    Oh please. Compare how many times I’ve posted on Israel (and that too, only recently because of the Palestinian Papers) compared to their obsession.

    Your silly comparison just makes you look deluded.

    Stick to the issue rather than trying to smear me boyo.

  9. Boyo — on 31st January, 2011 at 7:45 am  

    As much as I’d like to think it was in my power Sunny, I don’t think I’m really in a position to smear you. And, as much as I may at times disagree with you, I wouldn’t anyway – I appreciate the opportunity to criticise your views on your blog too much. ;-)

    Although it is a relative thing however (I mean, HP have a whole tag team devoted to digging Islamist dirt) I do think it is something of an obsession. But it’s your blog.

  10. Leon — on 31st January, 2011 at 11:23 am  

    So many times I’ve read Israel supporters championing it as as the only democracy in the ME and that the Arab countries should do likewise. And now it looks like we might see the beginnings of democracy flourishing across the region and their worried?

  11. jamal — on 31st January, 2011 at 11:31 am  

    leon

    they only worried if their current interests are at stake.

    i find it laughable the likes of tony blair on the news today calling for democracy now, after supporting the brutal dictator for years.

  12. Boyo — on 31st January, 2011 at 1:22 pm  

    Although i agree that the west should keep its mouth shut, having supported “anyone but islam” for decades, concerns about its lasting power are a concern – even the mildest islamist leader, the Turkish PM, is on record for saying democracy is a tram one rides until one gets off.

    Sure, if the people vote for Islamism then they should have it, but the principal is they can keep voting against it too.

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