‘British Oppression’


by Sunny
23rd May, 2007 at 1:27 am    

Looks like Hizb ut-Tahrir are organising a protest on June 15th outside Downing Street (like they’ll get that far) and calling it British Oppression. Apparently man made law is a problem going by their website. Interestingly it has no information about who is organising the event but given the flyer talks about re-estabilishing the Khalifah and mentions ‘man made law’, it only points to one group. Let’s see who else jumps on this bandwagon.


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  1. jamal — on 23rd May, 2007 at 2:03 am  

    I think the idea of the protest is good, but because info is a limited on this im suspicious too.

    Im all for peaceful protest, particularly with this one that seeks to highlights the problems Muslims face in Britain, so im hoping if this goes ahead it is not the work of those seeking to cause problems.

    It seems the white rasicst (BNP, NF, Stormfront, etc) have got wind of this and are planning a counter demonstration (theres a few links on my blog).

  2. douglas clark — on 23rd May, 2007 at 2:35 am  

    jamal,

    Your own site suggests you are a bit of a, how can I put it, rabble rouser?

    Would you agree?

    An extract:

    “Police Raids: Since September 11th more and more Muslim homes have been raided. It’s not ‘if’ but ‘when’ the Muslim will get raided. Our houses are broken into, doors smashed in, our wives and mothers are manhandled and our children terrorised, screaming with fear as daddy is arrested. The police can do as they please, they can humiliate, beat the Muslim and even shoot them, all safe in the knowledge that Tony Blair will support them, no matter what they do.”

    What sort of shit is that, my friend? It is frankly an attempt to create division. Fear. Was your daddy Goebbels?

    What do you think happens to any suspects family in the circumstances you describe. You are, sir, one fat apologist for folk that have subsequently been found guilty. Or are you out to challenge that too?

    It would be, frankly, a cause for concern if Brazilian electricians were subject to the harrassment of which you speak.

    Your complaints are an interference with due process.

    Grow up.

  3. jamal — on 23rd May, 2007 at 2:47 am  

    I disagree.

    If you check the stats youll find that the majority of Muslim arrested under new teror laws are later released without charge.

    Many times we have heard in the media that they have been subject to heavy handed tatics by the police, and held for lengthy periods.

    Furthermore, it is not just brazilians that have been shot, remember forestgate?

    Due process includes our right to seek to address issues of concern.

    The reality is that these issues do occur too often, as does the rest of what has been described here.

  4. douglas clark — on 23rd May, 2007 at 3:28 am  

    Jamal,

    “If you check the stats youll find that the majority of Muslim arrested under new teror laws are later released without charge.”

    That is a totally weak arguement, and I think you know it. The point about living in a democracy is that there are checks and balances. People are taken into custody, they are found to have no charge to answer. They are released. They are not ‘guilty’ of anything. So what?

    “Many times we have heard in the media that they have been subject to heavy handed tatics by the police, and held for lengthy periods.”

    Perhaps, as I think IRA suspects were before. I do not condone any of that. Simply, because it gets you the result you want, sorry, they want. It is unacceptable for that reason, not because Muslims are special. Not to justify your polemic, viz:

    “Police Raids: Since September 11th more and more Muslim homes have been raided. It’s not ‘if’ but ‘when’ the Muslim will get raided. Our houses are broken into, doors smashed in, our wives and mothers are manhandled and our children terrorised, screaming with fear as daddy is arrested. The police can do as they please, they can humiliate, beat the Muslim and even shoot them, all safe in the knowledge that Tony Blair will support them, no matter what they do.”

    You say:

    “Due process includes our right to seek to address issues of concern.”

    Due process, is, amongst other things, an understanding that our agents, the Police, have a right to hold suspects until such time as they are proven innocent. Obviously within the limits of habeas corpus. Which has been extended beyond my belief system, btw. It is not about concern, it is about guilt or innocence. Do you understand the idea that the folk in the fertiliser plot were as guilty as sin?

    You say:

    “The reality is that these issues do occur too often, as does the rest of what has been described here.”

    Any society worth it’s salt will protect itself against nut jobs. If a particular group, say Scottish Episcopalians, were setting off bombs, and blowing themselves to bits, would you expect society to treat them any differently from the way Muslims are being treated now?

    You are still an apologist.

    Try to take some responsibility for the things that are being done in your name. You may consider them abhorrent, but all you do is make excuses. It is, frankly, not good enough. I find religious folk, such as you good self, only to willing to excuse your more extreme elements.

    Grow up.

  5. Anti-HT — on 23rd May, 2007 at 4:31 am  

    It’s not HT. It’s worse. Look at the poster…it’s the nutcases formerly known as Al-Muhajiroun. The second and fourth photos feature their members.

    We need to publicise this and make sure no Muslims get duped by this poison.

  6. steve — on 23rd May, 2007 at 8:19 am  

    Jamal…

    Do as Douglas says and grow up.

    This is another example of religion blighting society. It is not because you are black or asian or whatever. It is because you chose to commit yourself with a religion that has its fair share of nutters, as all religions do. Accept that whilstever you need to claim ‘Muslim’ as your identity rather than human being then there will always be discord. Do the right thing. Challenge religion and its evils.

    It is not against ‘muslim’ it is against law breakers. I didn’t spend my time on ANL rallies years ago for this. Seriously.

  7. Duc De Nemours — on 23rd May, 2007 at 10:11 am  

    Isn’t Hizb a splitter offshoot of Al-muhajiroun? I am pretty sure it is.

  8. Duc De Nemours — on 23rd May, 2007 at 10:16 am  

    Also you should follow the link given by Sunny.

    The problem with these people is that your first reaction is almost to laugh out loud before you get stuck into the sheer insidiousness of it all.

  9. Leon — on 23rd May, 2007 at 10:43 am  

    ‘Man made law’? Oh dear…

  10. Boyo — on 23rd May, 2007 at 1:13 pm  

    HT on one side and the BNP on the other. Isn’t that some kind of mirror-image? Or maybe idiot-image.

  11. Soso — on 23rd May, 2007 at 3:07 pm  

    No one has forced any of these individuals to live in Britian.

    Are we agreed?

    So why don’t they just leave?

    Rank and file Muslims should really get off their sticks and challenge such idiotic gestures because they do some much PR harm to the whole community.

    Let’s face it, people who live in England by choice, taking advantage of everything the country has to offer, and who then turn around and complain of oppression ( who in their right mind would stay in a place they feel is oppressive?) belong in a straight-jacket.

    Such an intense, irrational and pathological sense of victimhood is a form of mental illness.

    Did you read that, Jamal?

    I’d even bet that some of the participants will drive to the demo in their very own oppressive BMW.

  12. William — on 23rd May, 2007 at 7:13 pm  

    Subsitute the word workers for Muslims

    Substitute the word British for Class

    Substitute the phrase

    “Britain is a Police State”

    for

    “Britain is a Police State”

    and you have the nonsense of the far left especially of the early 1980′s. Rings bells like some strange political transference. Are they just copying the thinking and applying it to themselves?

  13. Anti-HT — on 23rd May, 2007 at 8:32 pm  

    Wrong way round, Duc De N…

    Al-Muhajiroun is an offshoot of HT. And as bad and nasty as HT are, Al-Muhajiroun groups are worse.

  14. ali hussian — on 23rd May, 2007 at 9:08 pm  

    HT wil never do any cuh stupid thing. They are smarter than this. Its Sunny’s hatred against HT that speaks here, nothing else!

  15. Anti-HT — on 23rd May, 2007 at 11:19 pm  

    Hatred for HT is important. But fairness and accuracy more so.

  16. douglas clark — on 23rd May, 2007 at 11:29 pm  

    I’ve lost the plot on this thread. Is HuT organising a demo outside Downing St., ali hussian, or are they not? Smarter than what? I do not see how advertising a demo requires you to say Sunny hates HuT. Explain yourself.

    Equally, Anti-HT, what inaccuracies have you found here? I think we should be told.

  17. Sunny — on 23rd May, 2007 at 11:58 pm  

    I think Anti-HT is right… it looks increasingly like Al-Mujjies…. who are supposed to be illegal. Let’s see how this progresses.

  18. douglas clark — on 24th May, 2007 at 12:03 am  

    Cool

  19. lithcol — on 24th May, 2007 at 12:11 am  

    Is this demo a photo opportunity for the police? Can’t really see Hut or derivatives thereof getting permission to wear hoodies and display placards telling infidels to p*** off unless it is a photo opportunity.

  20. whois — on 24th May, 2007 at 12:31 am  

    Something fishy – that site is owned by a guy with a common bangladeshi name, with an address with a first part the name of a well known anti-muslim web-site, and second is ‘white’

    Neither road exists on goggle maps for manchester, and the postcode given is for manchester airport.

  21. Incognito — on 24th May, 2007 at 12:34 am  

    Good grief.. Oppressed???? Is this for real.
    What next?!

  22. soru — on 24th May, 2007 at 1:09 am  

    ‘ it looks increasingly like Al-Mujjies’

    Judging by the domain registration info posted above, it may well be that the whole demo, not just the counter-demo, is a BNP stunt. Or perhaps it was a Mujjle pretending to be from the BNP, or some third party just trying to start a fight.

    Ultimately, there is no meaningful distinction between the real al-Muj and a BNP stunt anyway – if either side didn’t exist, the other would create a fake version of them to justify it’s own existence.

  23. Kulvinder — on 24th May, 2007 at 1:58 am  

    I can’t see anything ‘wrong’ with jamal’s original post.

  24. douglas clark — on 24th May, 2007 at 6:31 am  

    Kulvinder,

    There was nothing ‘wrong’ with Jamal’s original post. Click on the link through his name though. Then tell me he’s agenda free. That is a straightforward appeal to Muslims to see themselves as victims, no matter what. Shit stirrer of the first order, IMHO.

  25. Duc De Nemours — on 24th May, 2007 at 8:48 am  

    I think that douglas is right.

  26. Saqib — on 24th May, 2007 at 9:54 am  

    Gosh…never knew Britain was that bad!

    I think they probably are former elements associated with Al-Muhajiroun, along with other rabble rousing elements.

    A few years back, i was managing director of a major muslim magazine, and as part of our drive to recruit new talent we had organised a writing competition…with winners being presented at a ceremony. This was in the same week as the general election, and one of our panelists was from the MCB. Whilst one of our employees was distributing flyers he was actually phyisically prevented from doing so – things got nasty. The following week it happended and i had to scare them of – quite astonishing.

    Now i don’t know the exact nature of this demo, however if they are the same elements, and if they do behave in similar unacceptable ways then i do hope police make moves.

    There is a clear difference between being passionate, committed and orderly in the demonstration in one’s views, and behaving in a thug like manner.

  27. Graeme — on 24th May, 2007 at 11:00 am  

    Whois appears to be on to something and I suspect this is a hoax. I can understand wanting to register the website under a false address, but choosing “Little Green Terrace” as the false one? I don’t buy it.

  28. David T — on 24th May, 2007 at 1:34 pm  

    It certainly has the look and feel of Al Muhaj. But the Whois info is odd.

    Somebody call the contact numbers and ask who they are.

    North England: 07934 265 919
    South England: 07946 806 236

  29. David T — on 24th May, 2007 at 1:36 pm  

    Mind you, I often do wonder if people like Jamal aren’t actually 50 year old neo-nazis, trying to perpetuate racist stereotypes of muslims.

  30. Jagdeep — on 24th May, 2007 at 2:37 pm  

    There is a myth that has arisen in our country — the myth that Muslims are oppressed in British society. It is a myth that has been fostered in many ways and by many people, and it is a myth without the dignity of a whiff of truth — it’s a myth in the way that the Emperor’s New Clothes was a myth.

    The myth that Muslims are perpetually victimised, oppressed, and persecuted in Britain has as its base formation the politics of the old ‘anti-racist’ Left along with the toxic brew of Bunglawala-ism, that is, Muslim activist organisations with a deeply flawed paranoid ideological orientation to constantly claim victimhood and leverage attention and visibility by heightening resentment amongst Muslims. This chimera can be seen for what it is by the ignition point for Muslim political power in Britain — the Rushdie affair, which became emblematic of Islam’s ‘victimisation’ in Britain.

    Add to this the Madeline Bunting saps, the Channel 4 Tristans who set aside 5% of their annual budget to make ‘hard hitting’ drama documentaries about how Muslims are on the verge of being sent to gas chambers, directed by Hampstead luvvies, and you have a really toxic brew, a fog of distorting mythology that obscures the fact that rather than being a persecuted and oppressed minority, Muslims living in Britain are the most priveliged and blessed members of the ‘ummah’, living in a society that guarantees their freedom of religion, equality of opportunity, an education system that is amongst the best in the world, a liberal and tolerant society that safeguards their rights and adjusts itself to accomodate their needs.

    The bulk of social problems that hinder Muslims in British society are self contained structural and cultural issues like the lack of education and employment which cannot be blamed on British society. Muslims have to reform these aspects of their lives to empower themselves as other minority groups (particularly Indians and historically, Jews) have done.

    In the meantime, protests like this will have a certain wider resonance amongst the Bunting-Bunglawala myth makers and myopics, the victimhood mongerers and the Cheese and Onion Conceptual Framework seekers, whose need for an exceptional framework rests on, and adds to, the mythology and fog surrounding the true nature of British Muslims and their place in our society.

  31. Jagdeep — on 24th May, 2007 at 2:40 pm  

    correction:

    The bulk of social problems that hinder Muslims in British society are self contained structural and cultural issues like the lack of education and employment FOR MUSLIM WOMEN which cannot be blamed on British society

  32. Faisal Haque — on 24th May, 2007 at 3:17 pm  

    It is not HT – it is Al-Ghurabaa who have organised it. Their magazine at http://www.theislamist.co.uk/ links to the British Oppression website. Also when I first saw stickers for this demo up I did a google search for the website and the domain name “British Oppression” initially had a line on it saying the “website of Sheikh Omar Bakri Mohammad” – this now seems to have disappeared from the google search.

  33. Johnny — on 25th May, 2007 at 10:44 pm  

    HT’s made it clear they’re nothing to do with this

    http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/mail/news/tm_headline=muslim-party-in-posters-denial%26method=full%26objectid=19195934%26siteid=50002-name_page.html

    Muslim party in posters denial

    A MUSLIM political party has distanced itself from a rash of offensive posters that have sprung up in Birmingham.

    The radical group Hizb-ut-Tahrir Britain, which translates as The Party of the Liberation, has condemned the fly-posting in Alum Rock, saying it has no link to the propaganda distressing local people.

    But Dr Imran Waheed, a spokesman for Hizb-ut-Tahrir Britain, said: “We have no link whatsoever to the material that has been fly-posted in Birmingham.

    “We believe that the posting of such material damages community relations and does nothing to create harmony between the city’s residents.

  34. errol — on 26th May, 2007 at 10:19 am  

    the BNP website have warned all members and followers not to counter demo. also they will not condone or justify any group claiming or carrying banners or BNP paraphanalia.

  35. Twining or Black in Blue — on 27th May, 2007 at 2:32 pm  

    May I assume that a fundamental right wing element is behind this proposed March in relation to British oppression? What exactly is British oppression?

    I accept racsim might be a part of this but if some people, fundamentalists, want to totally live outside the rules and have “own states” in parts of this country, then even I am lost. And I often get lost!

  36. simon benton — on 21st June, 2007 at 2:43 am  

    ive seen the site the muslims call british oppression and i thinka better name for it is muslim crap i am a islamophobe the muslims all they do is complain kill and try to change britan for the worst and the goverment seems to be bowing downg to there commands when i left my school we had been forced to attend islamic teaching lessions even though i and many others protested because we are catholic but all that happend is that we got suspended because we where being racist and the head was to scared toshallange the view.also over £8000 was spent of schools money to change the position of the toilets so they didn’t face mecca that money should of gon on new I.C.T equicment for us.

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