http://england.shelter.org.uk/home/index.cfm

Shelter are setting up stalls in various cities etc to gather signatures for a petition they were in Brum last week.

http://england.shelter.org.uk/home/index.cfm

So I’ll just sit at the sidelines and let you know how peeved I am.

I felt the same for a while and when I actually looked at my options I opted for centre left, joined my local labour party and started making changes and voicing my views in the system. Yeh ok so I’m not going to change the world but at least I can have an impact on my local area.

What I’m trying to say is get involved in it (the political process); people like you clearly have a lot to say and would make a valuable contribution.

Justforfun

Frankly, i’m on one of my doom and gloom days. Revolution my foot, we humans clearly haven’t evolved enough. we can’t even see the misery of our current lot.

And I thought I was in a bad mood because I stubbed my toe on the bedroom doorframe this morning! Cheer up Sonia, summer is here, the season of love, flowers, sunshine and race riots. Be happy!

Now ‘revolution’ is the last thing I expect would do anyone good – it always has to be evolution. i quite fail to see why my cynicism at this talk of ‘who’s going to be the PM and do what’ is so surprising to you – and why you assume that i must be a Red foaming at the mouth for revolution…

In any case, I daresay it is similar to people wanting to believe the best about their current lot. Much like religious people wanting to think religion is a Good thing – sure it is comforting, isn’t it.

One thing that really grates me is that if you truly believe that labour, lib dems and tories are the same form your own party then…. no seriously stand as an independent. Give people an option if you think there isn’t one. That’s how the Labour party was formed.

From what you have said it is your own apathy that is getting in the way of democracy. We all have choices and actions in life- take them.

neva i don’t think you get my ‘ideology’ and nowhere did i say i was not in favour of social change slowly – if you were a regular you’d know that – quite the opposite my dear friend..

but in any case – from what i said – advocating a more ‘democratic’ form of democracy – there were no suggestions of ‘anarchic activity’ per se or marxist style revolutions.

it does tickle me when people think that!

Why?

Basically cos you have to have all people on board, otherwise you would never get elected in the first place.

Plus most aren’t interested in the precise model of democracy as long as practical policies (capable of being introduced in the real world) are delivered.

And why “firmly”? Nothing you said supports “firmly”!!

Ok let me elaborate on this. I’m firmly in the Labour camp… but I’m somewhat tentatively supporting Gordon Brown.

it’s about trying to get to a better model of democracy isn’t it. we’re hardly at the ‘apex’ of ‘progress’

Soru, arse has been funny ever since stavros pledged his love for arsenal

Completely agree about the minimum wage-more should be done to reduce the gap between the rich and poor, but it’s a good start (and the tories were opposed to it) plus I didn’t see any other party actively doing anything.

Finally how is it a top-down hierarchy, who elects the Govt? Who is the Govt accountable too? Who has the choice to change the Govt?

That is funny.

I still hate George Galloway. But that is funny.