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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1143#comment-65397</link>
		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 18:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Looks like they havenâ€™t been paying their bills&quot;

Ha ha.

Harry&#039;s Place has risen from the dead, you doubting Thomases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Looks like they havenâ€™t been paying their bills&#8221;</p>
<p>Ha ha.</p>
<p>Harry&#8217;s Place has risen from the dead, you doubting Thomases.</p>
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		<title>By: leon</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1143#comment-65392</link>
		<dc:creator>leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 17:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like they haven&#039;t been paying their bills. I&#039;m sure the world will survive without their particular brand of enlightment for a time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like they haven&#8217;t been paying their bills. I&#8217;m sure the world will survive without their particular brand of enlightment for a time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1143#comment-65391</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 17:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic, but what&#039;s with Harry&#039;s Place? Has it folded?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic, but what&#8217;s with Harry&#8217;s Place? Has it folded?</p>
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		<title>By: Riz</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1143#comment-65348</link>
		<dc:creator>Riz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 11:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The caricature image of Roman Abramovich in the new Harry Enfield/Paul Whitehouse comedy comes to mind. He character goes around trying to buy everything in sight, including a little girl&#039;s tears!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The caricature image of Roman Abramovich in the new Harry Enfield/Paul Whitehouse comedy comes to mind. He character goes around trying to buy everything in sight, including a little girl&#8217;s tears!</p>
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		<title>By: Unity</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1143#comment-65319</link>
		<dc:creator>Unity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 09:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt; A three-week wave of massive cyber-attacks on the small Baltic country of Estonia, the first known incidence of such an assault on a state...

Wrong. China had a pop at Taiwan, oooh, must have been 4-5 years ago now, maybe slightly longer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; A three-week wave of massive cyber-attacks on the small Baltic country of Estonia, the first known incidence of such an assault on a state&#8230;</p>
<p>Wrong. China had a pop at Taiwan, oooh, must have been 4-5 years ago now, maybe slightly longer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kulvinder</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1143#comment-65269</link>
		<dc:creator>Kulvinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 17:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Miscavige vs Valdimir Putin

Who&#039;d win?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Miscavige vs Valdimir Putin</p>
<p>Who&#8217;d win?</p>
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		<title>By: leon</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1143#comment-65267</link>
		<dc:creator>leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 17:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;90s term it may sound like but it is actually used in defence terminology!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah I know, it still makes me cringe though...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>90s term it may sound like but it is actually used in defence terminology!</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah I know, it still makes me cringe though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: leon</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1143#comment-65266</link>
		<dc:creator>leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 17:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;why is everybody so surprised? the russian have never given a feck what anyone in the rest of the world thought of them. they understand power politics and donâ€™t even make a pretence of slapping a nod towards the distant country of ethics on top of it. not very pleasant but at least you know where you stand.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Extremely well said and couldn&#039;t have put it better, completely agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>why is everybody so surprised? the russian have never given a feck what anyone in the rest of the world thought of them. they understand power politics and donâ€™t even make a pretence of slapping a nod towards the distant country of ethics on top of it. not very pleasant but at least you know where you stand.</p></blockquote>
<p>Extremely well said and couldn&#8217;t have put it better, completely agree.</p>
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		<title>By: lithcol</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1143#comment-65264</link>
		<dc:creator>lithcol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 17:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Riz,

Russia is usually alluded to as a bear. In all the Baltic states there are large populations of ethnic Russians and they are a huge threat to the stability of countries such as Estonia.

Yes Russia is full of hard men and autocracy does seem to be a style of government that many Russians  desire. Unfortunately they have huge natural resources that the rest of the world desire. Money is pouring in and you can bet that much of it is not being used for benign purposes. Putin has made it clear that Russia is still a world power so we should all be careful.

Chelsea included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Riz,</p>
<p>Russia is usually alluded to as a bear. In all the Baltic states there are large populations of ethnic Russians and they are a huge threat to the stability of countries such as Estonia.</p>
<p>Yes Russia is full of hard men and autocracy does seem to be a style of government that many Russians  desire. Unfortunately they have huge natural resources that the rest of the world desire. Money is pouring in and you can bet that much of it is not being used for benign purposes. Putin has made it clear that Russia is still a world power so we should all be careful.</p>
<p>Chelsea included.</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 17:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>leon - 90s term it may sound like but it is actually used in defence terminology!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>leon &#8211; 90s term it may sound like but it is actually used in defence terminology!</p>
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		<title>By: Soso</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1143#comment-65256</link>
		<dc:creator>Soso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 16:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russia is a Khanate. They may be largely Christian, but their political culture is entirely Central Asian. Russians worship order, not democracy. The stronger the political leader, the happier they are.

When Putin showed up in public a few years back wearing a traditional Russian Kaftan, you just knew something was amiss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russia is a Khanate. They may be largely Christian, but their political culture is entirely Central Asian. Russians worship order, not democracy. The stronger the political leader, the happier they are.</p>
<p>When Putin showed up in public a few years back wearing a traditional Russian Kaftan, you just knew something was amiss.</p>
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		<title>By: Riz</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1143#comment-65255</link>
		<dc:creator>Riz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 16:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is scary. Estonia is a nice little country, but it&#039;s got this guerilla of a neighbour. Remember when they screwed about with the gas supplies? ...these guys are becoming a pain in the ass. 

I fully support the bun fight, which seems to be an eastern European tradition - there is a tea room in Prague, where, if you pay your 20 euro, you can throw yesterday&#039;s stale donuts at all the customers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is scary. Estonia is a nice little country, but it&#8217;s got this guerilla of a neighbour. Remember when they screwed about with the gas supplies? &#8230;these guys are becoming a pain in the ass. </p>
<p>I fully support the bun fight, which seems to be an eastern European tradition &#8211; there is a tea room in Prague, where, if you pay your 20 euro, you can throw yesterday&#8217;s stale donuts at all the customers!</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1143#comment-65248</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 15:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sid #5

Yeah better than bullets and bombs, maybe this could be the way of the future. Anti democratic to disable web sites etc but even then!!!  The other alternative should be an organised bun fight.</description>
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<p>Yeah better than bullets and bombs, maybe this could be the way of the future. Anti democratic to disable web sites etc but even then!!!  The other alternative should be an organised bun fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Kismet Hardy</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1143#comment-65245</link>
		<dc:creator>Kismet Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 15:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aeroflot? Aerofart more like

Moscow Bell? Moscow balls more like

Siberia? Sibollocks more like

Been to Russia. Bunch of miserable wooly coated shysters</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aeroflot? Aerofart more like</p>
<p>Moscow Bell? Moscow balls more like</p>
<p>Siberia? Sibollocks more like</p>
<p>Been to Russia. Bunch of miserable wooly coated shysters</p>
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		<title>By: Joolz</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1143#comment-65243</link>
		<dc:creator>Joolz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 15:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does scarcity mentality mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does scarcity mentality mean?</p>
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		<title>By: sid</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1143#comment-65242</link>
		<dc:creator>sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 15:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the mistake people make is because theyâ€™re white, people think theyâ€™re european - even europeans make this mistake and then get all huffy and hurt when they donâ€™t act like them.&lt;/i&gt;

I agree. Russians behave more like South Asians, or them lot from &#039;back home&#039;, with their pronounced sense of &quot;scarcity mentality&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the mistake people make is because theyâ€™re white, people think theyâ€™re european &#8211; even europeans make this mistake and then get all huffy and hurt when they donâ€™t act like them.</i></p>
<p>I agree. Russians behave more like South Asians, or them lot from &#8216;back home&#8217;, with their pronounced sense of &#8220;scarcity mentality&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 15:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an aside I wish they&#039;d stop calling it &#039;cyber&#039; war, it&#039;s such an embarrassingly outdated 90s term...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an aside I wish they&#8217;d stop calling it &#8216;cyber&#8217; war, it&#8217;s such an embarrassingly outdated 90s term&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TheFriendlyInfidel</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1143#comment-65236</link>
		<dc:creator>TheFriendlyInfidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 14:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the mistake people make is because theyâ€™re white, people think theyâ€™re european - even europeans make this mistake and then get all huffy and hurt when they donâ€™t act like them.&lt;/i&gt;

Quite franky we often make the same mistake with the Americans.

TFI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the mistake people make is because theyâ€™re white, people think theyâ€™re european &#8211; even europeans make this mistake and then get all huffy and hurt when they donâ€™t act like them.</i></p>
<p>Quite franky we often make the same mistake with the Americans.</p>
<p>TFI</p>
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		<title>By: TheFriendlyInfidel</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1143#comment-65235</link>
		<dc:creator>TheFriendlyInfidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 14:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually ... being the devils advocate that I normally am ... there is no real reason to think that this has been endorsed by Putin.

These things are normally launched from bot nets that are run by criminal gangs. 

Now if you know any Russians they are highly nationalistic, are quite aggressive and proud. I&#039;ve been to Estonia and this issue really splits the tiny country and as always both sides have a point, although my sympathies lie with the Estonians rather than the Russians.

Basically all that I&#039;ll driving at is the removal of the statue is highly symbolic and upsets ALL Russians including the criminal gangs that organize cyber attacks on gambling websites. 

It works like this, you get an email with a bank account number and you don&#039;t pay x amount by a certain time they take your site down during a major sporting event like the grand national, losing you a fortune in trade. The only really defense for these companies is to have enough servers and enough bandwidth to sustain their service throughout the attack.

So it is quite likely that the owners of these bot nets have decided to attack Estonia purely for their own reasons.

Either way &quot;Beware the Russians&quot; damn right!

TFI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually &#8230; being the devils advocate that I normally am &#8230; there is no real reason to think that this has been endorsed by Putin.</p>
<p>These things are normally launched from bot nets that are run by criminal gangs. </p>
<p>Now if you know any Russians they are highly nationalistic, are quite aggressive and proud. I&#8217;ve been to Estonia and this issue really splits the tiny country and as always both sides have a point, although my sympathies lie with the Estonians rather than the Russians.</p>
<p>Basically all that I&#8217;ll driving at is the removal of the statue is highly symbolic and upsets ALL Russians including the criminal gangs that organize cyber attacks on gambling websites. </p>
<p>It works like this, you get an email with a bank account number and you don&#8217;t pay x amount by a certain time they take your site down during a major sporting event like the grand national, losing you a fortune in trade. The only really defense for these companies is to have enough servers and enough bandwidth to sustain their service throughout the attack.</p>
<p>So it is quite likely that the owners of these bot nets have decided to attack Estonia purely for their own reasons.</p>
<p>Either way &#8220;Beware the Russians&#8221; damn right!</p>
<p>TFI</p>
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		<title>By: bananabrain</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1143#comment-65231</link>
		<dc:creator>bananabrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 14:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why is everybody so surprised? the russian have never given a feck what anyone in the rest of the world thought of them. they understand power politics and don&#039;t even make a pretence of slapping a nod towards the distant country of ethics on top of it. not very pleasant but at least you know where you stand.

the mistake people make is because they&#039;re white, people think they&#039;re european - even europeans make this mistake and then get all huffy and hurt when they don&#039;t act like them.

this is the country that invented the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knout&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;knout&lt;/a&gt;.

b&#039;shalom

bananabrain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why is everybody so surprised? the russian have never given a feck what anyone in the rest of the world thought of them. they understand power politics and don&#8217;t even make a pretence of slapping a nod towards the distant country of ethics on top of it. not very pleasant but at least you know where you stand.</p>
<p>the mistake people make is because they&#8217;re white, people think they&#8217;re european &#8211; even europeans make this mistake and then get all huffy and hurt when they don&#8217;t act like them.</p>
<p>this is the country that invented the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knout" rel="nofollow">knout</a>.</p>
<p>b&#8217;shalom</p>
<p>bananabrain</p>
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