TFI

Lets hope so, but don’t you think that are expecting a lot from just one newspaper?

TFI

Yahya has still done the best job. This week’s New Statesman have an edited-down version published.

either way, the consensus seems to be that the book has caused many people to get worried about HuT, especially in govt. Mustafa’s pathetic bleatings on CIf aren’t gonna save his ass.

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/taji_mustafa/2007/05/the_islamist_bogeyman.html

Someone should tell them that there is a point where increased hatred and violence stop generating paper sales and start compromising your ability to sell to both sides of the war you stirred up.

There are plenty of good books that disagree with each other on the basis of statistics and ‘models’. And I’d also say, the human experience is not so easy to put into models when there are so many diff variables.

If the Panorama doc showed one thing, it was that whites were as willing to ‘integrate’ as the Muslims Asians were. Times will hopefully heal that, and better dialogue

Broadly anything like this is good, it isn’t pleasent having your dirty washing laundered in public, no body likes a whistle blower but if there is one Western Value that must be upheld, this is the protection of the whistle blower and their right to speak against the majority within any group.

I suspect now that one person has stepped forwards with his personal account there will be plenty more. Perphaps with these accounts it might help suck the poison and the fear from both sides of the debate.

TFI

Not sure. Have you read it? And what do you make of it?

What do you think of this book and its message? Have you read it? Do you intend to do so?

TFI

Oh I forgot … its the MEDIA that makes them look bad with a COMPAIGN of BIAS driven by a ZIONIST agenda.

I wonder if Ed Hussain has to live in hiding now?

TFI

Does it? I suggest reading the chapter “Colonization of Culture” in the excellent book “Critical Mass” by Philip Ball about the mathamatical models that result in the formation of ghettos.

Basically it says that integration fails where there is a low intersection of values, even when individuals are quite happy to live in a multicultural society they naturally start to clump together.

The simplistic model he describes may well be wrong but it produces the results that we are seeing in the real world. A belief that it will swing back the other way is just that, a belief.

TFI

Meanwhile I’m disappointed to note that our Islamic apologists on this board have not come forward to to Bush and “Bliar” on this thread. At the very least I would have thought that we would have heard the chorus of:

Scab!
Uncle Tom!
Sell out!
Opportunist!

.. just like what happened on Cif. Shoot the messenger.

But no I guess we’ll have to wait until we hit a populist Muslim hot button issue like Iraq / Israel / cartoons / failed terror raid / hijab ban before the faithful step forward again, because Islamism and its links to terrorism is appears to be only of interest to us 4.5 billion non-Muslims. To Muslims it causes acute sense embarrassment and an urge to focus on problems outside the community.

I would really like to believe that there is a discussion somewhere about this within the Muslim community, if so it isn’t happening here.

Still I’m sure the MCB and their friends in HuT are on the case trying to discredit and bury this all right now.

TFI