EDL’s Sikh spokesman arrested


by Rumbold
22nd December, 2010 at 7:39 pm    

Guramit Singh (sometimes called Amit Singh) has been arrested today by Cambridgeshire police on suspicion of “intentionally causing religiously aggravated harassment alarm or distress, under section four of the public order act 1986.” following a speech on December 11th. Mr. Singh is perhaps the most high-profile non-white member of the English Defence League (EDL), and has been in trouble before, after boasting on his Facebook page about his hatred of Muslims:

the muzzies wanna keep away from me im just looking for an excuse im fucked off at the mo fuck the pakis … i just think we shud burn the cunts now!!

After that controversy he apologised, claiming he only hated militant Muslims. Was his apology sincere? It seems unlikely, given his latest remarks. Richard Bartholomew has an extract from his speech (available on YouTube):

I’m going to tell you precisely right now what threat of Islam is. Muhammad and Islam is not a religion… Muhammad was a paedophilic pirate… Islam, in not just this country but around the world, has been using their disgusting threat, their threat has been going on for 1400 years, “if you do not bow before Muhammad and his so-called Allah, you are to be beheaded”… Hitler had fuck all on Muhammad.

The Koran and the Hadiths is written in Arabic. Muslims are not allowed to be taught Arabic in the mosque. Muslims are told, “do not question what your Imam says, although they don’t even know what the Imam’s saying, because the Imam’s just a “Allah, fuck it”. Stick your Allah up your arse, you cunt. Fuck em, fuck em, fuck em. I’m not being funny, fuck em. I may get arrested for this shit, but fuck em, fuck em, I’m not having it, fuck em, fuck em, fuck em, fuck em.


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  1. BenSix — on 22nd December, 2010 at 7:45 pm  

    …religiously aggravated harassment alarm or distress…

    What a dreadful law…

  2. earwicga — on 22nd December, 2010 at 7:50 pm  

    Well, that’ll ruin his Christmas won’t it! ;)

    Just out of interest, what’s the Mohammed/pirate connection?

  3. Roger Thornhill — on 22nd December, 2010 at 7:59 pm  

    The connection is because Mohammed, it is said, conducted piracy to fund his merry band, amongst other deeds.

    Did Amit Singh say anything incorrect, btw?

  4. Don — on 22nd December, 2010 at 8:07 pm  

    How is this different from saying fuck the pope?

    They arrest people for that? Ok,the first bit with the ‘burn’ reference is dodgy. But the part quoted seems well within reasonable discussion.

  5. Rumbold — on 22nd December, 2010 at 8:13 pm  

    I wouldn’t have arrested him either. I would have just laughed at him. It is a bad law.

  6. Sunny — on 22nd December, 2010 at 8:54 pm  

    HE sounds like a lot of interweb commenters,

  7. Golam Murtaza — on 22nd December, 2010 at 9:31 pm  

    I guess I over estimated him. Thought he was more articulate than that.

  8. joe90 — on 22nd December, 2010 at 10:42 pm  

    what a loon, saying pakis is offensive and racist i know some might find that acceptable i don’t and this buffoon is just abusing muslims beliefs trying to split communities and agitating for violence.

  9. Abdullah — on 22nd December, 2010 at 10:55 pm  

    “the muzzies wanna keep away from me…i just think we shud burn the cunts now!!”

    That’s why he was arrested. Inciting mass murder.

    I think it is sick how some people want to let him off for saying that, when if we substituted the word ‘Muzzies’ in the sentence for ‘jews’ – it would earn you a one way trip to prison! (and rightly so).

    Btw – Saying Muhammed (saaw) was a pirate is absurd, considering Muhammed (saaw) never even had an armada! (what was he gonna do, sail on the sand dunes?!).

  10. KJB — on 22nd December, 2010 at 11:23 pm  

    what was he gonna do, sail on the sand dunes?!

    LOL! I pity fools like Amit Singh who have to shout loudly to disguise the fact that they have nothing on the inside. Definitely not cool with the reported legal reason for nicking him, though.

  11. BenSix — on 22nd December, 2010 at 11:28 pm  

    Abdullah -

    I doubt he’s been arrested over something that he posted nearly a year ago.

  12. douglas clark — on 22nd December, 2010 at 11:33 pm  

    BenSix,

    Just out of interest, on what basis was he arrested then?

    All it says is:

    Guramit Singh (28), from Nottingham, was arrested yesterday (22nd December) on suspicion of intentionally causing religiously aggravated harassment, alarm or distress.

  13. Carl — on 22nd December, 2010 at 11:35 pm  

    He’s a wrong’un – nice bit of prison for him won’t hurt

  14. AbuF — on 23rd December, 2010 at 1:08 am  

    Doubtless joe90 and other mpacuk drones will now offer all sorts of excuses and justifications for the intolerant, sectarian and bigoted rantings of various Islamic preachers against Jews, Christians, Buddhists, women, homosexuals, Shi’a and any other community they feel moved to target?

    After all, Islamism is such a model of love and tolerance, ain’t it?

  15. AbuF — on 23rd December, 2010 at 1:11 am  

    earwicga

    Just out of interest, what’s the Mohammed/pirate connection?

    I think it alludes to Mo’s Medina period when he occupied himself in hijacking Meccan caravans and generally disrupting the north-south trade routes through the Hijaz…

  16. earwicga — on 23rd December, 2010 at 2:13 am  

    Ah, so more highway man than pirate then. Cheers.

  17. damon — on 23rd December, 2010 at 2:27 am  

    What will Shami Chakrabarti say about this arrest?
    The EDL guy is obviously malicious in his intent in the same way that Lord Bannside was in the 1970s.

    As obnoxious and rabble rousing as he is being in that speech from Peterborough seen on the youtube, this fact from the newpaper link was quite startling too.

    Around 1,000 officers from 18 forces across the country were drafted in to police the EDL march as well as the counter demonstration which was organised by Peterborough Trades Union Council.

    That’s at least one police for every EDL person.
    The police have said that the EDL is one of their major national concerns.
    Is a march like that in Peterborough worthy of such close attention?
    That’s more police than a Millwall v West Ham game would have.

  18. Rumbold — on 23rd December, 2010 at 10:23 am  

    Douglas:

    It appears that he was arrested for his December 11th speech- unpleasant, but surely not an arrestable offence.

  19. Jai — on 23rd December, 2010 at 2:16 pm  

    Guramit Singh (sometimes called Amit Singh) has been arrested today by Cambridgeshire police on suspicion of “intentionally causing religiously aggravated harassment alarm or distress, under section four of the public order act 1986.” following a speech on December 11th.

    Interesting development.

    *************************************************************************

    I’ve added some remarks to Richard Bartholomew’s thread (most of which will already be familiar to PP regulars), but this is an appropriate point to reiterate exactly how far the “Sikh” Guramit Singh is from the actual stance of Sikhism towards Islam and Muslims.

    The 10th Sikh Guru Gobind Singh, creater of the Khalsa and the compiler of the final version of the Guru Granth Sahib (which includes hymns by Muslims along with Islamic names for God such as “Allah”), who personally suffered huge tragedies at the hands of his era’s equivalents of Islamist extremists, spelt it out very clearly indeed in the Akal Ustat:

    “Someone calls himself a Hindu, another a Turk, someone a Shia, another a Sunni. Recognise the whole of humanity as one race…..

    He the One is the only God of us all: it is His Form, His Light that is diffused in all…..

    The temple or the mosque are the same, the Hindu worship or the Muslim prayer are the same; all humans are the same, it is through error they appear different…..it is the one God who created all.

    The Hindu God and the Muslim God are the same; let no man even by mistake suppose there is a difference.”

  20. BenSix — on 23rd December, 2010 at 4:15 pm  

    He’s a wrong’un – nice bit of prison for him won’t hurt…

    The guy who called me a wanker back in year 11 was a sod but I wouldn’t bang ‘im up!

  21. Refresh — on 23rd December, 2010 at 5:17 pm  

    ‘The guy who called me a wanker back in year 11 was a sod but I wouldn’t bang ‘im up!’

    You may want to reconsider if you found out he was also organising and mobilising the whole of year 10, 11, 12 and their parents to take you behind the bike-shed after rugby training.

    You may also want to reconsider if you found that he’d been researching the BenSix family tree, with a view to taking them all out root and branch.

    The guy is a psychopath, which explains his thirst for power over other people’s lives.

    Rampton or Broadmoor?

  22. joe90 — on 23rd December, 2010 at 7:18 pm  

    If someone said they wanted to burn black or jewish people that’s is rightly unacceptable.

    But apparently saying burn muslims and calling them pakis is ok judging by some of the posts, talk about hypocrisy.

  23. Abdullah — on 23rd December, 2010 at 8:40 pm  

    “the [Jews] wanna keep away from me…i just think we shud burn the cunts now!!”

    Sorry to repeat the same quote – but I feel considering how apathetic some people have reacted to this quote when it mentioned Muslims (as if they aren’t humans) – I’d thought I’d reiterate a hypothetical quote, if Guramit said Jews instead.

    Anyone who thinks its ok to say statements like these, are no different to their like minded fellows in 1940′s germany. I think anyone who say this is sick, and I applaud the full weight of the law coming down upon them, whatever their race, religion or creed.

  24. earwicga — on 23rd December, 2010 at 9:07 pm  

    Abdullah – insert ‘women’ for ‘Jews’ or ‘Muslims’ and it would be so commonplace that most people don’t even notice it, letalone comment on it. It doesn’t mean it’s right, but it doesn’t mean people are apathetic. And it is unlikely that a criminal charge will change the mindset of the person saying it.

  25. Rumbold — on 23rd December, 2010 at 9:27 pm  

    Judging by his speech, ‘pirate’ was referring in part to his allegations that Muhammad was just out to make money.

    Joe90 and Abdullah:

    He wasn’t arrested for those facebook comments, but the ones in the speech. If you have listened to that speech, which words should have led to his arrest? I think he is a disgusting racist, but I don’t think you should be arrested for saying things like that.

  26. KB Player — on 23rd December, 2010 at 10:21 pm  

    If Mohammad was hijacking Mecca caravans, he must have been grappling and boarding the camels. Aren’t camels the ship of the desert? Therefore Mohammad was a pirate.

    I must say Mohammad had a much more varied CV than Jesus, who went from carpenter to wandering preacher, and never married. Mohammad’s life seems much fuller and more colourful.

  27. KB Player — on 23rd December, 2010 at 10:25 pm  

    Guramit Singh (28), from Nottingham, was arrested yesterday (22nd December) on suspicion of intentionally causing religiously aggravated harassment, alarm or distress.

    Scientologists are lying, devious bastards.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses are mad buggers.

    Mormons are totally weird.

    Christians believe in all sorts of crazy shit.

  28. douglas clark — on 24th December, 2010 at 12:42 am  

    Rumbold @ 18,

    Thanks for clearing that up for me. I agree we should have first ammendment rights, but we don’t. Unless there is evidence that this guy was going to start a riot – (in Peterborough?) – then no, he should be allowed to talk rubbish just like everyone else.

    Contra the libertarian ideal, perhaps we should license megaphones with the same ferocity we do guns?

    ———–

    I have no truck with what he has to say, and as I consider myself pretty well an average guy, I’d have thought most other folk could have seen through this sort of stuff quicker than I. So I agree with KB Player @ 27. (I think)

    This religious squirm is all about relative status and respect that I haven’t really got for the beliefs, though quite a lot of the people that practice religion are quite nice.

    But there’s the rub.

    They, the nice people I mean, should just stop assuming that a mad bastard that happens to say they are a Jew, Muslim, Christian, etc- if they happen to be in the corresponding group – is someone you should support when they are attacked by other people. I suppose it’s just circling the wagons but it makes otherwise sensible people appear quite mad.

  29. AbuF — on 24th December, 2010 at 1:16 am  

    Ah, I see – the MPACuk brigade make no attempt to justify the mad bigotry evinced from many of their own favoured imams and other religious… instead they simply engage (no pun intended) in massive whataboutery.

    Thus indicating, should it need further proof, that the boys of MPACuk are as thick as planks.

  30. douglas clark — on 24th December, 2010 at 2:51 am  

    AbuF,

    Well you’ve just about summed it up.

    _______________

    The lads at MPACK are not thick, they are playing a game.

    It is the attraction of opposites, this love affair between Muslim bigots and fascist c****, well, apologists, and ranting illiberal arseholes that shape our nation.

    It ought not to be like that.

    But that is the poison we are fed, drip, drip, fucking drip.

    That ought to make the rest of us see through them.

    It is a sad fact that we don’t.

    —————————

    Bzz, bzz:

    Picks up for he is Rupert fucking Murdoch.

    “Yeah”

    “Murdoch.”

    “It is me Anjem, do you need to sell more papers’ your holy arse?”

    “Whaddya got, you desert chewing bastard?”

    “Ahem, Rupert our relationship has been so about mutual lies and deceit, eh are you insulting me now? You want the big one or not?”

    “Sure” says Rupe, “give me the shit, it’s what you do.”

    “Not before you escoriate me – with a whip, just like muslims do – can you do that?”

    “‘course I can!”

    “OK, cool, well here’s the story and my fee. It is an incredibly modest million.”

    “No worries”

    Hangs up.

  31. douglas clark — on 24th December, 2010 at 5:39 am  

    Part Two.

    “Done it Rupert.”

    “What, you freaky good for nothing front page dominating son of Satan?”

    “I’ve taken the piss out of Christmas.”

    “Everyone does that. I’ve even got journalists whose entire bonus structure is based on taking the piss with ‘Winterval’ tropes and stuff. You’d need to up the ante. Whaddya got?”

    “Well, posters. And a witty idea about the twelve days of Christmas, though we’ve only got to the first verse, and we attack everything Daily Mail readers agree with. Is that a good enough headline?”

    “Half a million?”

    _____________________

    The bastards need each other.

  32. AbuF — on 24th December, 2010 at 7:16 am  

    Douglas Clark

    Those two posts cheered me up enormously – after an evening spent in an unholy row with a rather lonely, somewhat unbalanced friend of mine… you know: it’s Xmas and – other than family get-togethers – it’s the time for ill-will and too much booze towards and for all… especially here in darkest China.

    Grrrrrrrrr.

  33. joe90 — on 24th December, 2010 at 7:23 am  

    abuf & douglas clarke

    in a lovefest at christmas ahhh ain’t that sweet.

    someone pass the sick bucket.

  34. douglas clark — on 24th December, 2010 at 8:37 am  

    AbuF,

    darkest China?

    Whereabouts?

    I sit here in freezing cold Glasgow and you are half a globe away?

    I just love the internet ’cause it lets me make friends – I assume too much – in distant London and nearby China :-)

    The world has become warped, but in a good way….

  35. AbuF — on 24th December, 2010 at 8:52 am  

    Douglas

    I am presently marooned in Shenzhen, just across the border from Hong Kong.

    Weather here is on the turn, with a cold snap (less than 20C forecast for the weekend.

    Ignore joe90 – who I think is drunk.

  36. AbuF — on 24th December, 2010 at 8:53 am  

    …or should be.

  37. douglas clark — on 24th December, 2010 at 9:04 am  

    joe90,

    ——————

    abuf & douglas clarke

    in a lovefest at christmas ahhh ain’t that sweet.

    someone pass the sick bucket.

    ——————

    What, exactly is wrong with agreeing with someone?

    I’d rather find myself in agreement with AbuF than a super marionetted puppet!

    You are a pathetic wee piece of shite that couldn’t argue his way out of a wet paper bag. Perhaps your strings catch you up.

    Come on Joe 90.

    Tell me, pray, what got your goat?

    Is it that your only possible reaction to a broadside criticism of religion is to act like a dick? It is a valid question whether super marioneted puppets have a dick, or a religion, I suppose. But that would be a low blow. Though we’re not looking….

    I thought you were trying to be better than that, but you regress to fundamental woodiness, whenever your rings are challenged. Grow the fuck up Pinnochio.

  38. douglas clark — on 24th December, 2010 at 9:12 am  

    Err…

    Who Joe 90 is for those of you too young to have been inflicted by Gerry Anderson:

    http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTg0MDM2NTAzNV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNzMyODQyMQ@@._V1._SY314_CR4,0,214,314_.jpg

    And. For more detail:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_90

  39. Golam Murtaza — on 24th December, 2010 at 9:17 am  

    @KB Player,

    to be fair, part of the reason Mohammed got up to a bit more than Jesus is because he lived a lot longer.
    Also, Jesus was living within the Roman Empire so arguably had less room for manoeuvre. If you did anything to piss the Romans off you got skewered pretty quickly.

  40. douglas clark — on 24th December, 2010 at 9:29 am  

    AbuF,

    Cheers.

    Apologies for the posts @ 37/ 38 then.

    Is that Guangdong? The Chinese version of larger Hong Kong? That backs on to it, so to speak?

    It is a joke. I tried to check on a map and I was refused for ‘administrative reasons’.

    Happy Christmas anyway, whether you believe in it or not!

  41. douglas clark — on 24th December, 2010 at 9:51 am  

    Golam Murtaza,

    Ré getting skewered, if you believe the bible, he sure did.

    Just out of interest, did the prophet muhhamed ever fight christians?

    Just curious.

  42. Rumbold — on 24th December, 2010 at 10:45 am  

    Douglas:

    The early fights (mostly-post Muhammad) were within other Arabs, the Persians and the Christian Byzantines. Most of Muhammad’s ‘reign’ was spent in Medina, returning later to Mecca, and consolidation in the Arabian peninsula. It was his Caliph successors who would expand the Islamic/Arab dominion outside Arabia.

  43. douglas clark — on 24th December, 2010 at 11:15 am  

    Rumbold @ 42,

    Thanks for the info.

    But you have not answered my question directly. Did prophet mohammed actually fight christians?

    From what you have to say, it appears he did not.

    The next question is whether he could have and didn’t?

    I am not interested in whether his immediate followers did or did not. Did he?

    The reason for the question ought to be obvious.

  44. joe90 — on 24th December, 2010 at 12:25 pm  

    post #37

    yawn is that it finished with your childish rant? ok so you agree with someone in labeling and abusing 2 billion muslims as intolerant and bigots hmmm yes there is something wrong with that i am sure even you can work that out.

  45. douglas clark — on 24th December, 2010 at 1:24 pm  

    Hmm…

    Joe without a brain.

    yawn is that it finished with your childish rant? ok so you agree with someone in labeling and abusing 2 billion muslims as intolerant and bigots hmmm yes there is something wrong with that i am sure even you can work that out.

    If you were representative of 2 billion muslims, then I’d be worried. You don’t. You are just a male chauvanist idiot. You represent no-one but yourself and thank fuck for that!

    Just for information I am a man too. So stick that up your jumper.

  46. douglas clark — on 24th December, 2010 at 2:00 pm  

    Calling the brain dead Joe 90. again.

    ___________________

    What is it with an ignorant bastard like you? You get your rocks off on being a cheeky chappie or summat? I have never seen you make a case here, I heve never seen you being much more than an islamic apologist.

    It is what you do, you ignorant little tit.

    You are all that is bad about islam and nowt about what is good about it. You are an ignorant, up yourself preacher of hate and domination. If you truly were a representative of islam, I would hate it.

    I repeat, you no more represent, nor are entitled to speak, for two billion than I am.

    Away to fuck.

  47. Rumbold — on 24th December, 2010 at 2:15 pm  

    Douglas:

    Muhammad’s forces did attack Byzantine strongholds in Palestine (many just surrendered for some unknown reason despite being attacked), and well as Arab Xian tribes: He also attacked pagan Arab tribes it was part of a general policy of conquest/consolidation.

  48. joe90 — on 24th December, 2010 at 3:31 pm  

    Post #46

    represent 2 billion wow and when exactly did i claim that you imbecile, whose the ignorant bastard now.

    Is your new job being a old cheerleader applauding any old insult towards muslims how pathetic.

    Tell me how are you any different than guramit singh you both obviously detest islam to the max.

  49. Golam Murtaza — on 24th December, 2010 at 3:40 pm  

    Yes Douglas – I’ve always understood the history is pretty much as Rumbold has outlined above.

    After he was 40 years old Muhammad was primarily concerned with going after pagan Arabs and, to a lesser extent, Jewish tribes in Medina who he saw as a military threat. The conflict with Christians began quite late in his life, and, as Rumbold states, was part of a broader policy of Arab Islamic expansion.

    (Feel free to correct me anyone, it’s at least 10 years since I read about Muhammad’s life in depth)

  50. Golam Murtaza — on 24th December, 2010 at 3:42 pm  

    @joe90

    I don’t normally get involved in this sort of thing – but just to say, you’ve got the wrong idea about Douglas.

  51. douglas clark — on 24th December, 2010 at 3:43 pm  

    Joe 90 @ 48,

    Would this do?

    and abusing 2 billion muslims as intolerant and bigots

    My point about you dear Joe, is that no-one here subscribes to that. I do not think 2 billion muslims are intolerant or bigoted. I think you are a pretendy spokesperson on their behalf.

    And I cry foul.

    ’cause you have no right to assume that two billion people think the way you do. Frankly it would be remarkable if anyone outside a lunatic asylum thought the way you do.

    You are a complete fucking idiot.

  52. douglas clark — on 24th December, 2010 at 3:54 pm  

    Thanks to Rumbold @47 and Golam Murtaza @49 for clarifying that for me. I didn’t know about that conflict which appears now to be historical rather than mythological.

    That is truly interesting.

  53. AbuF — on 24th December, 2010 at 11:44 pm  

    @Douglas

    joe90 engages in some smearing elsewhere on this site and it typical MPACuk style: anyone with whom he disagrees is BNP/EDL. Playing the “islamophobe” card is a well-worn smear used by goons such as joe90.

    I notice that he simply refuses to condemn the worryingly large number of religious authorities of his faith who seem to believe that it is perfectly acceptable to condemn people on religious confessional grounds, or on the basis of their ethnicity, sexual orientation, or gender.

    Of course, anyone who points out that there are a fair number of bigots in positions of some influence in the Islamosphere is to be depicted as an Islamophobe who denigrates X billions of Believers.

    Somewhat ironically, by so doing joe90 implies that these billions also share the disgusting views of some of the religious leaders.

    But, hey, we know him to be an unthinking bigot.

  54. joe90 — on 29th December, 2010 at 11:39 pm  

    post#52 & 53

    yawn 2011 around the corner and still blabbering insults.

    abuf does it pain you that people other than yourself have an opinion and anyone that has an opinion other than yourself is labeled a stealth terrorist is the best you have.

    say something new your getting boring dude.

  55. AbuF — on 30th December, 2010 at 3:10 am  

    Say something that approaches standard English that we might better understand, young ‘un, and we might oblige.

  56. Baldeep — on 2nd January, 2011 at 10:16 pm  

    The Sikh community condemns this moron and the EDL. They do not speak on behalf of the Sikh community. A joint statement condemning the EDL has been released at the following URL.

    http://www.turbancampaign.com/updates/joint-statement-release/

    You will also note that the signatories are prominent people from across the Sikh community.

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