Now Jody McIntyre is being attacked for his pro-Palestinian views


by Sunny
16th December, 2010 at 10:20 am    

Surely as night follows day, protester Jody McIntyre is being attacked for his pro-Palestinian views by British Israel supporters.

Writing in the Jewish Chronicle, Jonathan Hoffman pours scorn over Jody McIntyre’s interview with the BBC:

McIntyre has been at several of the boycott demonstrations at Ahava, the Israeli cosmetics shop in London. I lead the pro-Israel counter-demonstrations. At one of the demonstrations McIntyre deliberately directed his wheelchair to run over my foot, causing me agonising pain.

I have no idea if he did something similar at the student demonstration last week. But unless his condition has changed since he ran over my foot some 4 months ago, his assertion to Brown (“I can’t physically use my wheelchair myself”) is simply not true. He is only too adept at using his wheelchair, sometimes as an offensive weapon.

Maybe he ran over the police, these Pro-Palestinians are vicious you know! Then Mr Hoffman approvingly links to Richard Littlejohn’s disgusting “view” on the whole incident. Some people really have no shame.

Then CIFWatch – a blog that is all about witch-hunting anyone with vaguely pro-Palestinian views in the Guardian – goes further: Jody McIntyre, professional anti-Israel activist, takes center stage.

Ooh oooh! A man we don’t like is all over the media! Now is the time to stick the knife in!
Blogger Modernity, who I rarely agree with, at least sees sense on the issue:

CiF Watch strays into the territory of political vitriol and character attacks, all completely irrelevant to the issue of Jody McIntyre’s appalling treatment by four big police officers. I can’t help wondering if he had held different views, would the attack upon him, as a wheelchair user, instead be condemned?

It takes a certain moral turpitude not to see his manhandling by the police as wrong, it takes an entrenched ideologue to want to use that against a disabled person. I can only imagine that *if* Jody had been blind then the excuse would have been that his labrador dog was about to attack some riot police, or some such nonsense. That’s the level of this mindless maliciousness.

What, he expected civility when people who have opinions on the Middle East are involved?


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  1. Sarah AB — on 16th December, 2010 at 10:49 am  

    I think the Littlejohn piece was disgusting. Obviously the CIFwatch piece fits your headline but I’m not sure the JC piece does. Although Jody Micintyre’s views on I/P may lend a bit an extra animus to Hoffman’s article he isn’t attacking him because of those views, but because of apparent inconsistencies between his actions at a demo against Ahava and his assertions during the interview. It seems relevant to note that Jody Mcintyre (allegedly) deliberately ran over his foot. His views on I/P definitely aren’t relevant, as Modernity says, but the difference of opinion between him and Hoffman is only tangential to the point about his (again, alleged!) aggressive behaviour.

  2. mostly harmless — on 16th December, 2010 at 10:54 am  

    Many of the below line comments are truly shocking.

    benorr says, ‘Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving person.My heart bleeds for this shit-stirrer..I would like to shake those police officers hands.’
    Even more disturbing is that 6 people have given this 5 stars.

    snigger says, ‘This poor student. Toko, it’s entirely possible that he’s using his disability, many people do.’
    7 people voted 4.5 stars

    arabella meller says,’I understand that this helpless cripple uses his wheel-chair to run over the feet of people he doesn’t like.’ This gets 5/5 stars

    Shocking truly shocking.

  3. AbuF — on 16th December, 2010 at 11:36 am  

    Hoffman repeatedly claims that he has been physically attacked by others. There was the infamous and as “agonising” [sic] kick in the shin he once received; and I believe someone shoved him once with equally agonising [sic] affect. Jonathan seems to spend a lot of his spare time in various shades of “agony”.

    This being said, the JC piece should not be conflated with the vileness that, sadly, is once again being spewed over on CiFWatch.

  4. AbuF — on 16th December, 2010 at 11:42 am  

    “What, he expected civility when people who have opinions on the Middle East are involved?”

    Actually, given the seriousness and tensions involved in this question, civility is the least one might expect.

    A culture of low expectations is part and parcel of the problem – and on both sides.

  5. Greg — on 16th December, 2010 at 12:10 pm  

    Folks who write blogs in national newspapers and appear on TV have to accept that their views are going to be scrutinized. Especially when they are hate-spewing anti-Israel bigots, who use anti-Semitic troupes and lies in the media. Calling him “Pro-Palestinian” does a disservice to those pro-Palestinians who aren’t anti-Zionist racists (don’t know any myself but I guess some must exist).

  6. MaidMarian — on 16th December, 2010 at 12:12 pm  

    I don’t like the Littlejohn piece one bit, but…..

    McIntyre has chosen to ride the media tiger, he (and others) can’t complain now. I don’t like the culture of character assassination and incivility rampant on the internet but McIntyre does not get an exemption. Unless you think that people aren’t allowed to express their view on him for some reason Sunny?

  7. BenSix — on 16th December, 2010 at 1:30 pm  

    Hoffman’s insistence at Modernity’s place that he couldn’t defend himself against abuse because he writes under his real name is, perhaps, the funniest thing I’ve heard since a really good joke involving sliced bread.

  8. Andy H — on 16th December, 2010 at 1:59 pm  

    Reading McIntyre’s blog, I see he accompanied Norman Finkelstein on a book tour recently. I think that tells us everything we need to know about him.

  9. BenSix — on 16th December, 2010 at 2:04 pm  

    I think that tells us everything we need to know about him.

    No it doesn’t.

  10. Katy Newton — on 16th December, 2010 at 2:16 pm  

    I can’t see any justification for throwing a disabled man out of a wheelchair even if he did roll over someone’s foot at the student demo, and no one has suggested that he has.

    Ooh oooh! A man we don’t like is all over the media! Now is the time to stick the knife in!

    Oh PLEASE! You make a living out of putting the boot into people you don’t like when they’re in the news! It’s called being a journalist!

  11. modernity — on 16th December, 2010 at 2:17 pm  

    I rarely comment here nowadays, but I’m going to pose the same type of questions I have stated else where

    1. For those who are critical of Jody McIntyre, would you hold a different view, if Jodie McIntyre held different opinions? In other words, do you view his treatment as acceptable because you disagree with his political views?

    2. Do you think it is acceptable for four big and burly policemen to manhandle a wheelchair user in that way?

    3. Alternatively, would you think it is acceptable for those four policeman to have manhandled an elderly pensioner in such a fashion?

    4. Finally, do you feel that wheelchair users should stay at home and not venture out, just in case ?

    I would welcome some engagement with those particular points.

  12. Bored in Kavanagasau — on 16th December, 2010 at 2:27 pm  

    http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/10441

    Sunny — on 11th October, 2010 at 1:59 pm
    This is the way that the police treat the EDL every time now it seems. Are you happy with them doing this?

    Like the Churchill ad dog says: ‘Oh yes’

  13. damon — on 16th December, 2010 at 2:56 pm  

    The trouble I have with this story is that the guy himself is a physical confrontation kind of activist who likes escalation of peaceful protest into something more rowdy.
    So the fact that he and his pals were on the roof of the Millbank Tower when the students broke in on the previous demonstration, is telling. If you support that kind of action as being necessary to highlight your cause then fair enough, but you know it’s going to get the police behaving rough too.

    I see from reading his blog that he’s a George Galloway fan and Hezbollah supporter, so I think it’s perfectly OK for people to critiscise him for that.
    http://jodymcintyre.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/week-3-%E2%80%93-politics-as-usual/

    But he’s only young and idealistic, and doesn’t deserve to be treated brutaly, but I don’t think there’s any suggestion that he was hit with battons or punched or anything … so no harm done really.

  14. Greg — on 16th December, 2010 at 3:06 pm  

    He’s a fan-boy of the indiscriminate mass-murderers of Hamas and Hezbollah but he complains when some policemen carry him from one side of the road to the other. Perhaps he would prefer to be treated like the political enemies of Hamas, namely tossed from the roof of the nearest building? What a fucking hypocrite. So typical of those who pretend to give a shit about Palestinians when in reality it’s all about the Israel-bashing.

  15. AbuF — on 16th December, 2010 at 3:23 pm  

    I also have some sympathy for Greg’s point; although I may have stated it a little more calmly.

  16. Sarah AB — on 16th December, 2010 at 3:27 pm  

    Modernity

    1. Sounds as though the answer has to be ‘no’ – but reading his blog does reveal someone who seems to court conflict and welcome upheaval. This characteristic in itself doesn’t merit rough treatment, obviously, but it does raise some questions about the fuller context of the video clips we’ve seen (which obviously looked awful on the face of it.)

    2 and 3 – mostly ‘no’ again, but there might conceivably be circumstances where it could be appropriate.

    4. No!

  17. Leon — on 16th December, 2010 at 3:32 pm  

    Not a nice thing to be subjected to but no surprise, people who are against these protests have to find ways of undermining anyone who looks like they might become influential. Jody is articulate and thoughtful, and dangerously very appealling to the young people currently engaged in this new political movement.

  18. BenSix — on 16th December, 2010 at 3:39 pm  

    Mr McIntyre might have foolish or contemptible opinions – I don’t know, I’m not acquianted with them – but no mere opinion justifies physical abuse. (And no, B in K, that includes the EDL.)

  19. Debord — on 16th December, 2010 at 3:42 pm  

    Outrageous. It’s like disagreeing with someone over, say, the NUS President, and resorting to accusing them of supporting murderous dictators. Isn’t it?

  20. Sunny — on 16th December, 2010 at 3:45 pm  

    Comparing a man in a wheelchair to the English Defence League thugs? Hahah. Shows how deranged some people are.

    McIntyre has chosen to ride the media tiger, he (and others) can’t complain now.

    Depends what you’re complaining about. If you’re trying to imply he poses a threat to anyone, then you just look like a fool (not you, I’m talking about Littlejohn, Hoffman here)

  21. modernity — on 16th December, 2010 at 3:51 pm  

    Sarah,

    Thanks, you made an effort and I appreciate that.

    I didn’t think many people would venture to address those questions, because they’re too difficult and rather telling of their underlying attitudes.

    I am trying to draw out whether or not people can rationally look at this situation and what the implications of their views are.

    And whether or not they are contemptuous of Jody McIntyre for his views, his actions or his disability.

  22. Kismet Hardy — on 16th December, 2010 at 3:52 pm  

    I know the journalist georgina littlejohn, the bad man’s daughter. she’s so so fit and suitably embarrassed of Dick Littlejohn. I hope to marry her one day. Gosh, christmas and barbecues will be embarrassing knowing what I know about my future father-in-law

  23. AbuF — on 16th December, 2010 at 3:58 pm  

    I really do wish the children of journalists would not follow their parents’ line of work… [he sez]

  24. Richard — on 16th December, 2010 at 4:05 pm  

    Modernity

    1. I doubt I would hold a different view on the basis that I find some peoples’ behaviour irritating or obnoxious even when I agree with them. When I use to comment a lot on ConHome I would often agree with some viewpoints put forward by UKIPers while simultaneously finding them irritating and being tempted to argue against them!

    2. Depends on the context e.g. the nature of his behaviour at the time and previously

    3. Same as 2

    4. No, although if they demand to be treated equally and not be patronised then they shouldn’t expect to be treated with kid gloves just because they’re disabled.

  25. fred — on 16th December, 2010 at 4:15 pm  

    These say it all

    Jonathan Hoffman – Anti-Zionist Hero
    http://www.jewdas.org/2010/08/jonathan-hoffman-anti-zionist-hero/

    Zionist Federation & fascist EDL Join Hands in Supporting Israel’s Murder at Sea

    Jonathan Hoffman of the Zionist Federation Defends Allowing Fascists to Take Part
    http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2010/06/zionist-federation-fascist-edl-hold.html

  26. modernity — on 16th December, 2010 at 4:21 pm  

    Richard,

    Just to clarify your views, do you think that

    1) Jody McIntyre’s treatment by the police, all four of them, was acceptable or excessive?

    2) If you think it is acceptable, what action by the police would have been unacceptable when dealing with a wheelchair user?

  27. Bored in Kavanagasau — on 16th December, 2010 at 4:54 pm  

    Comparing a man in a wheelchair to the English Defence League thugs? Hahah. Shows how deranged some people are.

    Says the person who expects more political correctness from Jade Goody than Mehdi Hasan, showing a level of consistency you might expect from a jet-setting, motor-biking environmentalist and Lib-Dem/Tory/Labour Party supporter.

    A few more examples to illustrate the point I was making:

    1a Taking passports away from English football hooligan because they might cause trouble in another country.
    1b Hypothetical case where passports are taken away from Isoc members because they might blow up planes.

    2a Leaking BNP members lists details on the internet.
    2b Isoc members details handed over to intelligence organisations.

    These examples refer to some loss of civil liberties to two opposing set of extremists. You take a tribal position in complaining infringements on one side and not the other, why the outrage at pro-Israeli activists doing the same?

    EDL shout out Paki and smash windows of Muslim businesses; anti-Israel protestors smash windows of businesses associated with Israel and compare Israel to Nazi Germany. There is little difference between both sets of scum. However, if Jody Mcintyre was a member of the EDL, this post would not even be up so the point about him being in a wheelchair is irrelevant. If you want to make a point about bringing aggressive police behaviour to account, why not use some of your blog’s bandwidth to get behind this campaign?

    http://www.iantomlinsonfamilycampaign.org.uk/

  28. AbuF — on 16th December, 2010 at 4:59 pm  

    fred

    I think it is fair to say that those accusations against J Hoffman were laid to rest as utter BS quite some time ago.

    Why re-fight battles, especially those quite so defamatory, that have already been lost?

    Hardly serves your purposes, what?

  29. damon — on 16th December, 2010 at 5:51 pm  

    Why start a thead about something Jonathan Hoffman has written in the JC? The guy sounds like a pillock.

    Outside the Israel settler shop in Covent Garden one saturday, Jody’s there with some Viva Palestina type people, shouting about ”apartheid Israel”, and this Hoffman bloke is across the road with his megaphone shouting back.
    Really, does anyone care about this enough? It does all sound a bit juvenile, so why even raise it?

    I do think Israel is a disgracful country and should give up its illegal settlements, but still, it’s a bit pathetic to go protesting like that. Both sides.

    It’s just a small shop. Tescos is probably much more of a villan than one little shop selling spa salts.

    So, my point is, I think that Jody McIntyre is setting himself up as a bit of a caricature and open to mickey taking. And if he was a regular at EDL demos I don’t think anyone on the left would really care if he got dragged out of his wheelchair.

  30. Scooby — on 16th December, 2010 at 6:17 pm  

    And if he was a regular at EDL demos I don’t think anyone on the left would really care if he got dragged out of his wheelchair.

    Of course they don’t. The focus on this pitiful Trot is a futile attempt to regain a little of the public sympathy squandered by the actions of the headbangers and other violent rabble that has attached itself to the student protests. Once again the professional left has damaged another of the causes it claims to support.

  31. Don — on 16th December, 2010 at 6:35 pm  

    And if he was a regular at EDL demos I don’t think anyone on the left would really care if he got dragged out of his wheelchair.

    Bullshit. I realise that as a Libdem member (but seriously reconsidering) I probably don’t count as ‘left’ in the eyes of many but I would seriously bloody care. And I believe others here who see themselves as left would too.

    Scooby,
    violent rabble that has attached itself to the student protests. Fair point about that, but the violent rabble don’t get to define the left, however much they (and you) might wish that.

  32. BenSix — on 16th December, 2010 at 7:25 pm  

    And if he was a regular at EDL demos I don’t think anyone on the left would really care if he got dragged out of his wheelchair.

    I’m not sure how “left” I am but, yes, I would. Just as I think citizens should be allowed to insult the troops, demean religions and deny the Holocaust without being physically abused (or, indeed, restrained).

  33. douglas clark — on 16th December, 2010 at 7:33 pm  

    damon @ 29,

    And if he was a regular at EDL demos I don’t think anyone on the left would really care if he got dragged out of his wheelchair.

    I’d like to think that that isn’t true.

    There are certainly people of the left who would meet your stereotype. There are far more that wouldn’t.

  34. fred — on 16th December, 2010 at 9:08 pm  

    At one of the demonstrations McIntyre deliberately directed his wheelchair to run over my foot, causing me agonising pain.

    The Israelis arent above assassinating people in wheelchairs eg Ahmed Yasin, so this is particularly ironic.

  35. Don — on 16th December, 2010 at 9:22 pm  

    fred,
    Whatever side you support has a policy on avoiding harm to wheelchair users? Send me a pamphlet, I’m half-way sold.

  36. jamal — on 16th December, 2010 at 10:56 pm  

    talk about kicking a man when he is down, the pro israeli fan club should hang their heads in shame oops i forgot they don’t have any!

  37. damon — on 17th December, 2010 at 1:07 am  

    Jamal, but why would anyone take any notice of the pro israeli fan club and write a thread about what they think?

    That doesn’t change the fact though that Jody McIntyre is a George Galloway fan and a supporter of Hezbollah – who have nothing positive to offer the region I think as they are such a tool of Iran.
    Israel has no issue with Lebanon, apart from it being its northern neighbour. But Hezbollah obviously has an aggresive policy to Israel. So instead of being a friendly or neutral neighbour, the Lebanese border is a hot one. As we saw in the firefight and shelling across the border this year over the cutting down of a tree.

    This Jody guy is obviously running around full of righteous indignation – means well, but shouldn’t be taken much more seriously than Galloway or the Socialist Workers IMO.

    Sunny too thought that the breaking into the Millbank Tower wasn’t such a big deal. Going up against the police and bringing violence to a peaceful demonstration was OK, as that’s what gave the protests their newsworthy drama.
    Fair enough, and I think the police can be thugs, but still, it was pretty blatant.

  38. Greg — on 17th December, 2010 at 1:10 am  

    So, Jamal, you think a foaming-mouthed bigot should get a free pass because he’s disabled? Do lies mutate into truths if the orator is in a wheelchair?

    I wonder if McIntyre takes the Israeli-developed interferon-beta-1a for his MS. Being a trot and therefore blind to rampant hypocrisy, I wouldn’t be surprised if he does. Maybe there’s some suitable anti-Zionist-developed alternative although I don’t think the thugs of Hamas or their masters in Tehran are known for their investment in pharma R&D.

  39. jamal — on 17th December, 2010 at 2:48 am  

    damon

    you said hezbollah has agressive policy aganst israel is that any surprise. What policy does israel have against its neighbors apart from invasions,bombing campaigns, assassinating political figures, attacking civilian infrastructures naming just a few from the crime sheet.

    for its own arab minority it treats them as third class citizens where they have to fight for decades for basic rights. http://www.thenational.ae/news/worldwide/middle-east/arab-familys-home-win-blow-to-israeli-jews-only-policy

    Is it any wonder people like jody mcintyre protest against this racist state.

  40. Sarah AB — on 17th December, 2010 at 4:55 am  

    Greg – I don’t think people are saying he should get a ‘free pass’, but just that his views on I/P are irrelevant to how we should respond to what happened at the demo. And he hasn’t got MS.

    jamal – I don’t think the position of Arab Israelis is unique – compare the situation of Christians and Jews in some other countries in the region.

  41. AbuF — on 17th December, 2010 at 5:57 am  

    Hey look, Jamal, in most of the neighbouring states, the Arab *majority* has not even won basic rights yet…

    Or is that different?

  42. Greg — on 17th December, 2010 at 7:43 am  

    “Is it any wonder people like jody mcintyre protest against this racist state”

    Israel treats its minorities far better than any Arab or Persian country, as you and everybody else on this planet knows well. Calling Israel ‘racist’ is a clear sign of bigotry, you bigot.

  43. Laban — on 17th December, 2010 at 8:19 am  

    “A man we don’t like is all over the media! Now is the time to stick the knife in!”

    Houses, glass, stones.

  44. Laban — on 17th December, 2010 at 8:55 am  

    Don, BenSix, Douglas – I seem to recall some BNP chap (canvassing?) got smacked on the head with a hammer in Manchester last year, but I didn’t see many liberals coming out to say how awful that was. To be fair, it wasn’t exactly all over the left blogs, except one of two ‘serve him right’ pieces.

    You have to say though that Jody McIntyre is a fine role model for people with cerebral palsy. He’s not let it stop him doing what he does – in fact he’s leveraging his disability for additional publicity in pursuit of his particular agenda (‘global intifada’?).

    I may not like his agenda one bit. But he’s damn effective – fair play to him.

  45. ukliberty — on 17th December, 2010 at 9:20 am  

    modernity,

    1. For those who are critical of Jody McIntyre, would you hold a different view, if Jodie McIntyre held different opinions? In other words, do you view his treatment as acceptable because you disagree with his political views?

    I’ve no opinion on McIntyre’s views either way, so this question seems non-applicable to me.

    2. Do you think it is acceptable for four big and burly policemen to manhandle a wheelchair user in that way?

    There is insufficient information for me to reach a conclusion – in particular we lack the officers’ side of the story. I would say that McIntyre himself claimed he was asked to move by an officer and he “shook his head” (which I take to mean he refused). You do need more than one person to safely lift and move another especially if he is not co-operating.

    3. Alternatively, would you think it is acceptable for those four policeman to have manhandled an elderly pensioner in such a fashion?

    Police officers are allowed to use reasonable force in particular circumstances, so broadly speaking yes.

    4. Finally, do you feel that wheelchair users should stay at home and not venture out, just in case ?

    I think they should do whatever they wish* but be prepared for the consequences of doing so.

    (*provided they do no non-consensual harm to others)

  46. damon — on 17th December, 2010 at 10:23 am  

    Jamal @39. There’s nothing wrong with protesting about Israel … or Syria or Sudan or anyone else.
    But I think that Israel would only wish for a quiet peaceful border with Lebanon. Why would it want to have regular conflict there? I can’t see any strategic reason for them to want their two countries to have poor relations. Why would they? You should really answer that Jamal.
    Is it anti-arab or islamophobic to say that Hezbollah is a tool of Iran and Syria, and that Syria’s influence in Lebanon has been a wholly negative one?
    That’s your insinuation.

    What Israel does when Hezbollah picks a fight is another matter. After the conflict was started last time and Hezbollah were firing their rockets I think that Israel behaved appallingly.

    And this is the thing about this thread. Sunny has started it to say isn’t it terrrible that the Pro-Israel headbangers are attacking this guy for being (among other things) a Galloway, Hezbollah supporter?
    And as much as I have no time for these Israel apologists who defend everything that Israel does, they have a point about that.

    So Jamal, rather than having a go at me, why don’t you work out your own ideas properly. Do you support the Hezbollah – Syria – Iran triangulation against Israel, and do you thinks that helps bring peace to the Middle East?
    I still think Israel is a pretty rotten country, but that’s another story.

  47. scandalousbill — on 17th December, 2010 at 10:26 am  

    UK Liberty,

    “There is insufficient information for me to reach a conclusion – in particular we lack the officers’ side of the story. I would say that McIntyre himself claimed he was asked to move by an officer and he “shook his head” (which I take to mean he refused). You do need more than one person to safely lift and move another especially if he is not co-operating.”

    I think that the cases of Ian Tomlinson and, of course, De Menezes clearly indicate that police testimony, and the IPCC, are not independant of political motivation.

    With regard to your second point, the video evidence I have seen could hardly be considered as “safely” lifting.

  48. ukliberty — on 17th December, 2010 at 11:05 am  

    scandalousbill,

    I think that the cases of Ian Tomlinson and, of course, De Menezes clearly indicate that police testimony, and the IPCC, are not independant of political motivation.

    The police are obviously guilty of using unlawful force against McIntyre, then.*

    On the “safely lifting” point, the video I have seen isn’t at all clear. But did McIntyre suffer physical harm? I don’t recall him saying so.

    * Yes, this is sarcasm. Basically I think we should hear both sides before reaching a conclusion, but YMMV.

  49. cjcjc — on 17th December, 2010 at 11:16 am  

    I’d forgotten that Sunny was happy about a bit of police aggro towards the EDL.

    Brilliant!

  50. joe90 — on 17th December, 2010 at 12:55 pm  

    So people equating NF/ EDL thugs to a dude in a wheelchair hmmm.

    During the gaza conflict these same commentators where comparing hamas fireworks to the Israeli air force with their latest made in america hardware. Then topping it off we had comical analysis a.k.a sky news, and saying its a fair fight!!!

  51. Don — on 17th December, 2010 at 4:54 pm  

    Were the policemen aware of McIntyre’s views when they dragged him out of his wheelchair? I’m guessing not, so his views are not really relevant to the point in hand.

    Yes, disabled people are just as likely to be bolshy, aggressive and violent as anyone else. During the course of my work I have been punched, kicked, stabbed with a pencil, spat on, snotted on and imaginatively verbally abused. Funnily enough it never occurred to me that the appropriate response was to to drag them out of their wheelchairs or kick away their walkers.

  52. Niaz — on 17th December, 2010 at 5:08 pm  

    Greg
    “Israel treats its minorities far better than any Arab or Persian country, as you and everybody else on this planet knows well. Calling Israel ‘racist’ is a clear sign of bigotry, you bigot.”

    The true racism of low expectations! It’s OK for Israel to systematically discriminate against it’s non-Jewish citizens because neighboring states do likewise.

  53. Don — on 17th December, 2010 at 5:34 pm  

    The true racism of low expectations!

    Haven’t you got that backwards?

  54. douglas clark — on 17th December, 2010 at 8:24 pm  

    The true racism of low expectations!

    Would the corollary be:

    The false racism of high expectations!

    Frankly I don’t understand what you are arguing about. Neither phrase makes any sense to me.

    I have talked to folk here that probably look a bit different from me, and y’know what? Usually, they are cool with me and I am cool with them. I’d like us to get back:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6G7MkBMVxE

    But we have moved on.

    Sadly.

    ____________________

    And I have rarely come across racism here. And when we have seen it, it has been condemned by everyone. Bloody well everyone.

    I find Sunny and Rumbold and Earwicga and Jai give people like that a bloody good hearing before they shut them down. It is not knee jerk, it is fairly judged.

    IMHO.

  55. Shamit — on 17th December, 2010 at 9:32 pm  

    The piece by Hoffman is ridiculous and stupid to say the least. This guy needs to get his head checked.

    I have no support or sympathy for Iran, Hezbollah or Hamas as most regulars here know – but I haven’t figured how McIntyre’s views on Israel even come into the fact that police manhandled someone in a wheelchair.

    However, I was not there and I don’t know if there was any provocation on McIntyre’s part – but pulling him off the wheelchair is probably going a bit too far.

    But if someone is sitting in front of you and calling you all sorts of names including to your mother – you sometimes lose your cool. Yes the police should be professional but they are also human and someone’s son, daughter, husband, wife etc etc – and compared to most of the world our police is far better. And do not forget, politicians and police officers and soldiers just like wankers come from the population at large.

    I am not condoning the police behaviour but I am condemning this idiotic Hoffman character and his article is absolutely bollocks.
    *****************************

  56. Don — on 17th December, 2010 at 11:27 pm  

    But if someone is sitting in front of you and calling you all sorts of names including to your mother – you sometimes lose your cool.

    Then find a different job. You have been trained and are being well paid. Do the job.

  57. Shamit — on 18th December, 2010 at 12:48 am  

    Don

    I am by no means condoning the police behaviour – they should be reprimanded and strong action should be taken against them.

    And they crossed the line – but my point was no one is infalliable and it could happen in the heat of the moment. But what Hoffman did was far worse

  58. walt kovacs — on 18th December, 2010 at 1:03 am  

    jody is being attacked because he is a professional shit disturber and a liar, who uses his wheelchair as a shield against people criticizing his actions

    and somehow, the poor cripple was able to walk up a 9 story tower

  59. damon — on 18th December, 2010 at 2:31 am  

    Now Jody McIntyre is being attacked for his pro-Palestinian views

    Can we call this a mis-thread now? It’s a non-thread because only a bunch of nobodies were attacking Jody McIntyre for his pro-Palestinian views.
    They’re nobodies, he’s a 20 year old Galloway/Hezbollah fan who’s seeking world revolution (or something).

    Why does he remind me of the character from the true life film/book Into the Wild. ??
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Into_the_Wild_(film)

  60. Sarah AB — on 18th December, 2010 at 7:50 am  

    Shamit – I genuinely don’t see why you have taken against the Jonathan Hoffman piece so much. It really isn’t condemning JM for his views but for his conduct (as opposed to the CIFwatch piece).

  61. douglas clark — on 18th December, 2010 at 9:15 am  

    walt kovacs,

    jody is being attacked because he is a professional shit disturber and a liar, who uses his wheelchair as a shield against people criticizing his actions

    and somehow, the poor cripple was able to walk up a 9 story tower

    On the professional shit disturber and a liar:

    Pot, kettle, black.

  62. anon — on 18th December, 2010 at 7:47 pm  

    “joe90 — on 17th December, 2010 at 12:55 pm
    So people equating NF/ EDL thugs to a dude in a wheelchair hmmm.

    During the gaza conflict these same commentators where comparing hamas fireworks to the Israeli air force with their latest made in america hardware. Then topping it off we had comical analysis a.k.a sky news, and saying its a fair fight!!!”

    So a ‘dude in a wheelchair’ can’t be a violent racist yob… Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

    And I suppose a twat who describes rockets that killed 28, maimed hundreds and terrorised and traumatised hundreds of thousands of men women and children as fireworks isn’t a racist scumbag. I’m surprised you haven’t come out with the same ‘more Israelis die from peanut allergies than from Hamas rockets’ line popular with your mpacuk cronies. In fact with comments from twonks like yours above and all the ‘Bus driver bans women wearing veil’ type stories you see on here lately PP is becoming more like mpacuk every day.

    If the Israeli government had the same scant regard for human life as Hamas does you might be able call it a fair fight!!!!

    As far as I’m concerned I see no difference between police officers manhandling someone who sits down in the road and refuses to move on and police officers manhandling someone in a wheelchair who likewise has refused to move – but then I’m not a bigot.

  63. Greg — on 18th December, 2010 at 9:58 pm  

    ” It’s OK for Israel to systematically discriminate against it’s non-Jewish citizens because neighboring states do likewise.”

    Every country can be accused of treating its minorities poorly – the US, European states, Africa and everywhere else. It’s only Israel, though, that routinely gets called racist, despite the fact freedom of religion is embedded in its declaration of Independence and that those who call Israel racist are either Arabs (who execute apostates) or their leftist cheerleaders (whose communist heroes were also bigoted mass murderers).

    I’d rather be in a minority in Israel than in almost any other country outside of Europe or the US. Unless I was Roma of course, in which case I definitely wouldn’t want to be in Europe!

  64. douglas clark — on 18th December, 2010 at 10:39 pm  

    greg,

    I think you are wrong when you say this:

    It’s only Israel, though, that routinely gets called racist…

    That – the racist tag – seems to me, to be a near universal smear. The UK is accused of it, France is accused of it, the USA is accused of it. If you read around blogs the Gulf States are accused of it. So is KSA.

    Indeed it all might be true! To a greater or lesser extent, admittedly.

  65. joe90 — on 19th December, 2010 at 9:24 am  

    post #62

    According to offical figures over 1400 gazans killed how many israelis ???? 13

    in gaza 24000 homes destroyed or severely damaged how many in israel?? any guesses pick a number and let me know.

    So if you bother to take off your israeli tinted glasses off you will see israel couldn’t give a siht about human lives they launched attack on civillian population in gaza so cynically for election purposes and the whole world saw it. They blasted women and children with white phosphorous and you defend a state that does that?? your sick in the head dude.

    If we talking about state of israel and how fairly it’s minorities treated really nice and welcomed i am sure lets take recent test case: http://www.thenational.ae/news/worldwide/middle-east/arab-familys-home-win-blow-to-israeli-jews-only-policy

    so save your israeli propaganda siht for someone that can be fooled by it like a 3 year old kid.

  66. modernity — on 20th December, 2010 at 3:31 am  

    It is a pity how such threads often become detached from the original discussion, and descend into typically “yar bo sucks” slanging matches.

    I suppose that it is alienation, social frustration, and an unwillingness or inability to reason on complex issues…shame tho’

  67. jamal — on 20th December, 2010 at 10:39 am  

    Jody mcintyre top bloke believes in justice and puts lot of us to shame who sit at home and complain.

  68. damon — on 20th December, 2010 at 11:15 am  

    Jamal, I’m sure he does believe in justice. But in a world filled with injustice, it would nice to see people being a bit less selective in what concerns them.
    Israel/Palestine is just one small place.
    Egypt is just nearby, but injustices there don’t get much attention at all (it seems) from those who get most animated about Gaza a and what Israel does.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/9299585.stm

  69. jamal — on 20th December, 2010 at 4:20 pm  

    damon if you having a pop at the regime of Egypt’s hosni mubarak right on i am with you. Because which minority or majority is safe from his evil grip.

    Israel democracy don’t think so, In britian the armed forces don’t shoot school kids or old people dead on a regular basis or evict people from their homes because they are the wrong ethnicity.

  70. to Jamal — on 20th December, 2010 at 4:40 pm  

    jamal, damon is a professional Muslim hater. Dont waste your breath.

  71. damon — on 20th December, 2010 at 8:51 pm  

    jamal, damon is a professional Muslim hater. Dont waste your breath.

    This, I’m afraid, is one of the drawbacks of the multi-cultural society. It produces a small percentage of chaff (as in wheat). On their own these Salafis aren’t too much of a problem, although there message has the ability to corrupt.

  72. anon — on 21st December, 2010 at 11:12 am  

    Joe90, where is the evidence that… Israel used white phosphorous as a weapon and deliberately targeted it against women and children?

    Where is the evidence that “…they launched attack on civillian population”

    In fact ‘they’ didn’t attack Gaza until after 10,000 Hamas rockets had killed 28, maimed hundreds and terrorised and traumatised hundreds of thousands of men, women and children.

    The Admissions Committee Bill will forbid barring an applicant solely for reasons of race, religion, gender, nationality or disability.

    Do you have a problem with this…
    http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/refworld/rwmain?docid=3ae6b4ea13

    Or even this… http://www.alzaytouna.net/arabic/?c=1519&a=108929

    As for your comment about three year olds. I think you’ll find it’s Hamas and their supporters who brainwash three year olds with anti-Israel/Jew propaganda

  73. Niaz — on 21st December, 2010 at 11:56 am  

    One of drawbacks of living in a multi-cultural free society is having to put up with the opinions of BNP/EDL supporters like damon.

    On their own they aren’t too much of a problem though their message has the ability to corrupt millions as we saw in Germany in the 30s.

  74. AbuF — on 21st December, 2010 at 12:29 pm  

    I think it just wonderful that the education service has provided mpakuk regulars with the self-confidence to venture beyond that sub-literate site and come on to grown-up sites.

    Bless.

  75. AbuF — on 21st December, 2010 at 12:30 pm  

    jamal

    “if you having a pop at the regime of Egypt’s hosni mubarak right on i am with you. Because which minority or majority is safe from his evil grip.”

    How about the Copts?

    Oh, they don’t count do they – after all they are unbelievers, right?

  76. douglas clark — on 21st December, 2010 at 1:42 pm  

    AbuF,

    But when is our wonderful education system going to teach them anything but ad hominem attack bot tactics? It’s a skill right enough, but it is of limited use.

  77. Rumbold — on 21st December, 2010 at 1:44 pm  

    Heh AbuF (#74).

  78. salim — on 21st December, 2010 at 2:14 pm  

    There is an apposite article here
    The Great Fear
    By MAX BLUMENTHAL

    http://www.counterpunch.org/blumenthal12202010.html

  79. cjcjc — on 21st December, 2010 at 2:52 pm  

    Counterpunch?
    Max Blumenthal?

    Now are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

  80. joe90 — on 21st December, 2010 at 10:12 pm  

    post #72

    white phosphorous
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article5519433.ece

    open your eyes and look at the 1400 dead people you moron.

    24000 homes completely or severely destroyed

    you want evidence there you go now defend the racist state of israel why don’t you.

    Apartheid south africa finally realized its evil behavior had to come to an end. Israel will have its day of reckoning sooner or later!

  81. jamal — on 22nd December, 2010 at 6:04 pm  

    abuF

    “how about the copts?”

    In your cut and paste of my post you would have seen the following-

    “Because which minority or majority is safe from his evil grip.”

    You will see the words MINORITY which includes copts easy ain’t it.

    In post 74 you said

    “I think it just wonderful that the education service has provided mpakuk regulars with the self-confidence to venture beyond that sub-literate site and come on to grown-up sites.”

    was you talking about yourself as being sub-literate because it was an open and shut case in a space of 2 posts?

  82. AbuF — on 23rd December, 2010 at 1:15 am  

    Oh, jamal

    So -contrary to all known facts – it is not the Muslim Brotherhood and assorted Islamists who are systematically targeting the Coptic community?

    Oh no, it is in fact the Egyptian government!

    Idiot.

  83. AbuF — on 23rd December, 2010 at 1:17 am  

    jamal

    was [sic] you talking about yourself as being sub-literate

    ?

    Lol, sub-literate goon!

  84. anon — on 5th January, 2011 at 6:34 pm  

    Ahhh I get it now joe90…
    We’re not meant to take you seriously, your postings (e.g., @80) are simply a parody of mpacuk blog commenters, lefty antisemites and other such like knobheads. You sure had me fooled with your mastery of satire and irony.

  85. AbuF — on 10th January, 2011 at 10:11 am  

    I do find it alarming that a journalist with something of a reputation could coin such an appalling grammatical train-wreck as the following:

    Blogger Modernity, who I rarely agree with, at least sees sense on the issue…

    Good grief.

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