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		<title>By: Robert Sharp</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1093#comment-62695</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Sharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 11:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Ownership of Women...&lt;/strong&gt;

Even if women have formal political equality, there still exists in society an unspoken, second-order sexism.  Yet another reason why there is a place for the ideology of political correctness, which can expose and shame these attitudes

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<p>Even if women have formal political equality, there still exists in society an unspoken, second-order sexism.  Yet another reason why there is a place for the ideology of political correctness, which can expose and shame these attitudes</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: soru</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1093#comment-62433</link>
		<dc:creator>soru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure what you mean by that. Both sides in that conflict were claiming to be on the side of democracy, so at least one of them must have been wrong.

&lt;i&gt;The ousted prime minister, a billionaire tycoon who rose to power in 2001, was extremely popular among rural Thais largely because of a series of lucrative local programs he backed. But allegations of corruption and abuse of power earned him the hostility of the country&#039;s elite, mostly in Bangkok. &lt;/i&gt;

Sounds a bit like Chavez in Venezuela. But it&#039;s not something I know enough about to say who is wrong or right. I was just correcting the misconception that:

britain screwed with the country in the past -&gt; country is screwed up in the present

The correct way of stating that is:

Britain screwed with the country in the past -&gt; country is located on planet earth
 
Britain screwed with essentially every country at one time or another, so if you go to some troublespot and say &#039;look, britain used to be involved here&#039;, that is like saying &#039;look, the people here breathe air and have a moon in the sky&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure what you mean by that. Both sides in that conflict were claiming to be on the side of democracy, so at least one of them must have been wrong.</p>
<p><i>The ousted prime minister, a billionaire tycoon who rose to power in 2001, was extremely popular among rural Thais largely because of a series of lucrative local programs he backed. But allegations of corruption and abuse of power earned him the hostility of the country&#8217;s elite, mostly in Bangkok. </i></p>
<p>Sounds a bit like Chavez in Venezuela. But it&#8217;s not something I know enough about to say who is wrong or right. I was just correcting the misconception that:</p>
<p>britain screwed with the country in the past -&gt; country is screwed up in the present</p>
<p>The correct way of stating that is:</p>
<p>Britain screwed with the country in the past -&gt; country is located on planet earth</p>
<p>Britain screwed with essentially every country at one time or another, so if you go to some troublespot and say &#8216;look, britain used to be involved here&#8217;, that is like saying &#8216;look, the people here breathe air and have a moon in the sky&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sid Love</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1093#comment-62420</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aye soru, but don&#039;t you think the agencies of democracy have a lot to answer for in Thailand?

You only have to see the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/20/AR2006092000296.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;popular military takeover&lt;/a&gt; from last September to realise that King Bhumipol is probably having the last laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aye soru, but don&#8217;t you think the agencies of democracy have a lot to answer for in Thailand?</p>
<p>You only have to see the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/20/AR2006092000296.html" rel="nofollow">popular military takeover</a> from last September to realise that King Bhumipol is probably having the last laugh.</p>
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		<title>By: soru</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1093#comment-62418</link>
		<dc:creator>soru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yes but Churchill didnâ€™t carve up Siam and draw itâ€™s borders with a thick felt-tip pen,&lt;/i&gt;

Only because it had already been done:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Thailand_%281768-1932%29

&#039;The British interceded to prevent more French bullying of Siam, but their price, in 1909 was the acceptance of British sovereignty over of Kedah, Kelantan, Perlis and Terengganu under Anglo-Siamese Treaty of 1909. &#039;

Thailand and Iraq started the post-WWI-era as rather similar countries - british-backed anglophile monarchies, from the period where direct imperial rule was out of fashion. You could imagine their corresponding Kings meeting at Sandhurst and comparing notes.

Both then had a period of military rule, and a period of fighting somewhat on the other side in WWII. The big difference is that the monarchy in Thailand came back into power:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Thailand_%281932-1973%29

&lt;i&gt;With chaos reigning on the streets, King Bhumibol, ignoring the safety concerns of his immediate security staff, ordered the gates of Chitralada Palace opened to the students who were being gunned down by the army.

Despite orders from Thanom that the military action be intensified, army commander Kris Sivara had the army withdrawn from the streets.

Then, for the first time in modern history, Thailand&#039;s constitutional monarch openly involved himself in the transition of political power. He condemned the government&#039;s inability to handle the demonstrations and ordered Thanom, Praphas, and Narong to leave the country.

At 06:10PM, Field Marshal Thanom Kittikachorn resigned from his post as Prime Minister.

An hour later, the King appeared on national television, broadcasting the following speech:

&quot;Today is a day of great sorrow that will be. . . recorded with the utmost grief in the history of our Thai nation. For the past six or seven days, there have been various demands and negotiations that have culminated in an agreement between the students and the government. But then bottle bombs were thrown and tear-gas was fired, causing some clashes in which many people were injured. Violence then escalated all over the city until it became a riot that has not ended until now, with over a hundred of our Thai compatriots having lost their lives.

I beseech all sides and all people to eliminate the causes of violence by decidedly suspending any action leading in that direction, in order that our country can return to a state of normalcy as soon as possible.

Furthermore, in order to remedy the present disaster, Field Marshal Thanom Kittikachorn resigned from the post of prime minister earlier tonight. I have consequently appointed Nai Sanya Dharmasakti as prime minister. . . .&quot;&#039;&#039;

The junta had fallen, at the cost of 1,577 lives.
&lt;/i&gt;

There&#039;s really quite a lot of 20C history you never seem to hear mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yes but Churchill didnâ€™t carve up Siam and draw itâ€™s borders with a thick felt-tip pen,</i></p>
<p>Only because it had already been done:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Thailand_%281768-1932%29" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Thailand_%281768-1932%29</a></p>
<p>&#8216;The British interceded to prevent more French bullying of Siam, but their price, in 1909 was the acceptance of British sovereignty over of Kedah, Kelantan, Perlis and Terengganu under Anglo-Siamese Treaty of 1909. &#8216;</p>
<p>Thailand and Iraq started the post-WWI-era as rather similar countries &#8211; british-backed anglophile monarchies, from the period where direct imperial rule was out of fashion. You could imagine their corresponding Kings meeting at Sandhurst and comparing notes.</p>
<p>Both then had a period of military rule, and a period of fighting somewhat on the other side in WWII. The big difference is that the monarchy in Thailand came back into power:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Thailand_%281932-1973%29" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Thailand_%281932-1973%29</a></p>
<p><i>With chaos reigning on the streets, King Bhumibol, ignoring the safety concerns of his immediate security staff, ordered the gates of Chitralada Palace opened to the students who were being gunned down by the army.</p>
<p>Despite orders from Thanom that the military action be intensified, army commander Kris Sivara had the army withdrawn from the streets.</p>
<p>Then, for the first time in modern history, Thailand&#8217;s constitutional monarch openly involved himself in the transition of political power. He condemned the government&#8217;s inability to handle the demonstrations and ordered Thanom, Praphas, and Narong to leave the country.</p>
<p>At 06:10PM, Field Marshal Thanom Kittikachorn resigned from his post as Prime Minister.</p>
<p>An hour later, the King appeared on national television, broadcasting the following speech:</p>
<p>&#8220;Today is a day of great sorrow that will be. . . recorded with the utmost grief in the history of our Thai nation. For the past six or seven days, there have been various demands and negotiations that have culminated in an agreement between the students and the government. But then bottle bombs were thrown and tear-gas was fired, causing some clashes in which many people were injured. Violence then escalated all over the city until it became a riot that has not ended until now, with over a hundred of our Thai compatriots having lost their lives.</p>
<p>I beseech all sides and all people to eliminate the causes of violence by decidedly suspending any action leading in that direction, in order that our country can return to a state of normalcy as soon as possible.</p>
<p>Furthermore, in order to remedy the present disaster, Field Marshal Thanom Kittikachorn resigned from the post of prime minister earlier tonight. I have consequently appointed Nai Sanya Dharmasakti as prime minister. . . .&#8221;&#8221;</p>
<p>The junta had fallen, at the cost of 1,577 lives.<br />
</i></p>
<p>There&#8217;s really quite a lot of 20C history you never seem to hear mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: ZinZin</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1093#comment-62417</link>
		<dc:creator>ZinZin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 16:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well effigies aside, thatâ€™s no way to treat a lady! I mean that Richard Gere, waving his cock in American Gigolo and picking up pretty prostitute women, I hate him. Why couldnâ€™t it have been me?&quot;

Richard Gere was the prostitute in American Gigolo you were not paying any attention? Admit it.

Shilpa Shetty always at the centre of attention. Must buy stock cubes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well effigies aside, thatâ€™s no way to treat a lady! I mean that Richard Gere, waving his cock in American Gigolo and picking up pretty prostitute women, I hate him. Why couldnâ€™t it have been me?&#8221;</p>
<p>Richard Gere was the prostitute in American Gigolo you were not paying any attention? Admit it.</p>
<p>Shilpa Shetty always at the centre of attention. Must buy stock cubes.</p>
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		<title>By: Sid Love</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1093#comment-62411</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what even that cow, Elton John?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what even that cow, Elton John?</p>
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		<title>By: Kismet Hardy</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1093#comment-62410</link>
		<dc:creator>Kismet Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve done extensive research into this matter

Milkless, tidy top-heavy thrashes 

Is an anagram of

Shilpa Shetty loves kismet hardy

As dick littlejohn says, you couldn&#039;t make it up

I hope this has been enlightening for you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve done extensive research into this matter</p>
<p>Milkless, tidy top-heavy thrashes </p>
<p>Is an anagram of</p>
<p>Shilpa Shetty loves kismet hardy</p>
<p>As dick littlejohn says, you couldn&#8217;t make it up</p>
<p>I hope this has been enlightening for you</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anyway that shashi tharoor guy doesn&#039;t know what he&#039;s on about. yah people may not waltz around the streets in saris as they used to, but give them a grand occasion and they&#039;ll doll up in saris. why should he want us to not be able to run off so easily in daily life? 

anyways. didn&#039;t he see the pictures of liz hurley and whats his face nayar&#039;s wedding? everyone was decked out in a sari!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyway that shashi tharoor guy doesn&#8217;t know what he&#8217;s on about. yah people may not waltz around the streets in saris as they used to, but give them a grand occasion and they&#8217;ll doll up in saris. why should he want us to not be able to run off so easily in daily life? </p>
<p>anyways. didn&#8217;t he see the pictures of liz hurley and whats his face nayar&#8217;s wedding? everyone was decked out in a sari!</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kismet Hardy</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1093#comment-62407</link>
		<dc:creator>Kismet Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well effigies aside, that&#039;s no way to treat a lady! I mean that Richard Gere, waving his cock in American Gigolo and picking up pretty prostitute women, I hate him. Why couldn&#039;t it have been me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well effigies aside, that&#8217;s no way to treat a lady! I mean that Richard Gere, waving his cock in American Gigolo and picking up pretty prostitute women, I hate him. Why couldn&#8217;t it have been me?</p>
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		<title>By: ZinZin</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1093#comment-62406</link>
		<dc:creator>ZinZin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anas
Islamophobia exists but I am no longer an islamophobe and your to blame for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anas<br />
Islamophobia exists but I am no longer an islamophobe and your to blame for that.</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>he tried to kiss her on the cheek right? whats the big fuss about!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>he tried to kiss her on the cheek right? whats the big fuss about!</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1093#comment-62404</link>
		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heh heh kismet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heh heh kismet</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as well as the state of wildlife in london!</description>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>though i think the buddists in southern thailand  ought to get some attention too..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>though i think the buddists in southern thailand  ought to get some attention too..</p>
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		<title>By: Kismet Hardy</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1093#comment-62401</link>
		<dc:creator>Kismet Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TFI, I&#039;m glad you brought up the serious matter of Buddhists. i&#039;ve been wanting to discuss Buddhists all day. That Richard Gere, eh? I mean has he no respect for a woman&#039;s personal space? I tried that once and I got arrested. I didn&#039;t even make bail because my mother was still cross that I manhandled her like that

So Shilpa comes to this country with her culture and we all go boo that the common english can&#039;t tolerate her ways. Western bloke goes to India and they burn effigies of him

And most importantly, what about Shilpa&#039;s sari? Didn&#039;t the twins look really nice in it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TFI, I&#8217;m glad you brought up the serious matter of Buddhists. i&#8217;ve been wanting to discuss Buddhists all day. That Richard Gere, eh? I mean has he no respect for a woman&#8217;s personal space? I tried that once and I got arrested. I didn&#8217;t even make bail because my mother was still cross that I manhandled her like that</p>
<p>So Shilpa comes to this country with her culture and we all go boo that the common english can&#8217;t tolerate her ways. Western bloke goes to India and they burn effigies of him</p>
<p>And most importantly, what about Shilpa&#8217;s sari? Didn&#8217;t the twins look really nice in it?</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sid makes a good point</description>
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		<title>By: Sid Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sid Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes but Churchill didn&#039;t carve up Siam and draw it&#039;s borders with a thick felt-tip pen, nor have we regimed-changed Thailand and secured &quot;a golden future for the flowering of democracy&quot; there. There ought to be a modicum of responsibility for the fate of the people of lands we invade, strip down and break into minor protectorates, oughtn&#039;t there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes but Churchill didn&#8217;t carve up Siam and draw it&#8217;s borders with a thick felt-tip pen, nor have we regimed-changed Thailand and secured &#8220;a golden future for the flowering of democracy&#8221; there. There ought to be a modicum of responsibility for the fate of the people of lands we invade, strip down and break into minor protectorates, oughtn&#8217;t there?</p>
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		<title>By: TheFriendlyInfidel</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheFriendlyInfidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anas, this is always a problem. I remember a sketch in Not the Nine o&#039;clock news that went:

&quot;Top stories today, In brighton there is a cat stuck in tree, in Fincley a woman has broken an nail and in Europe a boat has sunk and thousands are reported dead.&quot;

&quot;Now straight to the main story - I believe that we have live pictures of this poor cat&quot;

Its the same as it ever was, in fact the odd bit is how much interest we have in foriegn affairs these days. I&#039;m still shocked that the Mumbia bombings were so poorly reported.

Personally I think that spent to much time on the murdering in Iraq and that we ought pay more attention to fate of the Buddists in Southern Thailand, if we pretend to care about Iraq&#039;s a little bit, we bother at all for the Thais.

TFI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anas, this is always a problem. I remember a sketch in Not the Nine o&#8217;clock news that went:</p>
<p>&#8220;Top stories today, In brighton there is a cat stuck in tree, in Fincley a woman has broken an nail and in Europe a boat has sunk and thousands are reported dead.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Now straight to the main story &#8211; I believe that we have live pictures of this poor cat&#8221;</p>
<p>Its the same as it ever was, in fact the odd bit is how much interest we have in foriegn affairs these days. I&#8217;m still shocked that the Mumbia bombings were so poorly reported.</p>
<p>Personally I think that spent to much time on the murdering in Iraq and that we ought pay more attention to fate of the Buddists in Southern Thailand, if we pretend to care about Iraq&#8217;s a little bit, we bother at all for the Thais.</p>
<p>TFI</p>
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		<title>By: Kismet Hardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kismet Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having said that, kid goes berserk at American school has happened so often people have become desensitised to it. It didn&#039;t take long before the gun debate became the main talking point. If this happened in Britain, the news would focus on the crime for days before the cause became the focus. I hope anyhoo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having said that, kid goes berserk at American school has happened so often people have become desensitised to it. It didn&#8217;t take long before the gun debate became the main talking point. If this happened in Britain, the news would focus on the crime for days before the cause became the focus. I hope anyhoo</p>
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