Taking on racists in Brummieland


by Sunny
4th April, 2007 at 11:06 am    

Councillor Bob Piper has written about a Hope not Hate event in Sandwell, Birmingham (via Penguin).

Over 200 people out delivering copies of a special Searchlight ‘Hope not Hate’ edition. As Tom Watson said at the close… More than 200 people, 40,000 newspapers, three political parties, and one, very special Billy Bragg.

Good on them. Apologies for being blunt but there’s no other way of saying this: all you brown people complaining about the BNP – get off your lazy arses and get involved in this campaign! There’s only two days left!

In Nov 2005 I posted a short anecdote by someone also lamenting the fact more Asians don’t get involved in anti-racist campaigns.

I began thinking. These people are doing Guru ji’s mission. Guruji taught us to stand up for the small communities, those oppressed, or bullied, from those who spread hate and bully. Yet, we never see Sikhs, or even Asians there. These people hound hatred groups like the BNP, to counter all their activities. They took time off work, and made the difference with their presence. Would we do that?

I remember at universities, we used to get approached by these groups for us to join, but Asians generally are so full of apathy. A couple of times before I mentioned it to Singhs as well that we need to counter the BNP. But Singhs just always tell me to ‘Naam japp’ (pray), and not worry about it.

They had so much literature about the growth of Islamopobia in UK, but no Muslims were present except the Muslim bibian (women) who were bystanders like me. One of organisers said to me that we stand up for Muslims, but they do not bother turning up.


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  1. A councillor writes — on 4th April, 2007 at 12:00 pm  

    When the “Hope Not Hate” was in Birmingham this week (rather than Sandwell which is not Birmingham), the people working had a fairly proportional number of Asians.

    I would have liked to have helped, but wasn’t informed of the activities until I’d already set my diary for the week.

    Good luck to them, anyway.

  2. Twining or Black in Blue — on 4th April, 2007 at 12:09 pm  

    I am fully in support of hope not hate. I wish the organisers well.

  3. TheFriendlyInfidel — on 4th April, 2007 at 12:20 pm  

    “… all you brown people …”

    There it is again. You’ve a bit of a problem there Sonny, you ought be a bit more open to us non-brown people and not seek to divide the world into two so much.

    TFI

  4. Kismet Hardy — on 4th April, 2007 at 12:48 pm  

    never a frown with golden brown

  5. The Common Humanist — on 4th April, 2007 at 1:01 pm  

    Hope not Hate is a good campaign, which I fully support.

    Regarding brown skinned participation in anti racism groups – I would expect more to be members to be honest.

    Have to say though that the two most racist people I have ever met were British Asian – one was severely anti semitic (he was a muslim) the other really really really didn’t like black people (he was a Skih).

    Tis a fact of life that humans are humans and wankerdom cuts across all ethnic and cultural lines.

    Still, that should inform people even more that racists are indeed completely wrong. And wankers.

  6. Sam Ambreen — on 4th April, 2007 at 1:23 pm  

    Brown people in Birmingham have a bit of a victim mentality going on and in my experience, believe the world is out to get them.

    Chanting and lighting a few candles doesn’t really appeal to such folk.

    Chasing each other down the road with barbecue skewers however, well, sounds like fun don’t it?

  7. TheFriendlyInfidel — on 4th April, 2007 at 1:27 pm  

    Quite, the most offensive joke I’ve never heard was from a Skih, it damned black people and Pakstanis all in one fell swoop. It was offensive, but still made me laugh.

    Basically being racist is something that only “white people” seem to have to worry about being. If you are from a minority group, is fine to hate outside of your group as it is part of your unfortunate economic circumstances and at all your fault slightest.

    Now if only the liberal elite held the same standards for others that they hold for themselves, not doing this smacks of elitism and therefore unintensional racism itself.

    TFI

  8. Sam Ambreen — on 4th April, 2007 at 1:34 pm  

    I disagree with you matey.

    “Basically being racist is something that only “white people” seem to have to worry about being”.

    Growing up I wouldn’t have dared to use anything but the correct terminolgy for all races to the point that, as a child, I became increasingly frustrated at having to figure out whether someone was African or West Indian. I still feel a little odd when other people use the word “black”.

    But you’re right about the most offensive racists often being those with colour. And also right in feeling a little bit narked that minorities feel justified in being able to make racist remarks.

    In my book, they’re all as bad as each other.

  9. Kismet Hardy — on 4th April, 2007 at 1:46 pm  

    it’s quite simple really. Our elder cousins that fought racism did it with their fists because they needed to. They don’t wave placards, sign manifestos and light candles because they don’t need to.

  10. Sunny — on 4th April, 2007 at 1:52 pm  

    Chasing each other down the road with barbecue skewers however, well, sounds like fun don’t it?

    Heh, Sam.

    you ought be a bit more open to us non-brown people and not seek to divide the world into two so much.

    Not dividing, just suggesting a bit of ‘positive action’ for the brown folk. Don’t get your knickers in a twist.

  11. Sam Ambreen — on 4th April, 2007 at 1:59 pm  

    Sunny, I’m telling you, it really happened.

    A mate of mine is the kid brother of a certain high profile gang that made the streets of Sparkhill safe back in the 80′s.

    Oh, how we laugh as we fondly think back to when the number 6 bus brought with it scores of Doc Marten’d NFer’s and how my mate’s big bro chased ‘em back to Shirley. Coincindentally, they were the first to offer barbecue down that end.

  12. TheFriendlyInfidel — on 4th April, 2007 at 2:09 pm  

    Indeed, I was being tongue in cheek in what I wrote.

    These days I try and care a lot less, if someone take offence in what I say I’ll explain why I said what I said and why, then they can choose to be offended if they choose, it their choice. Being PC is rather boring in my opinon and not at all helpful.

    For instance, I was in a Jamican pub around the corner from my house and was disabusing some white Guardian reading PC nut job of his views: “So you think that you don’t have a dependancy on oil because you don’t have a car and because you recycle?”,

    Then this black guy walks in goes around the back and starts talking to the barman, things start to get heated and voices raised. PC boy starts to stop protesting that his isn’t a hypocrite and is getting uncomfortable with the situation developing in the back room. I say to him:

    “Don’t worry, its a black thing”

    He nearly spits out his beer.

    “Pardon? what did you say? You cannot say that”

    “I’m not being nasty, but it is just a cultural thing. It SOUNDS like they are having an argument, but its actually a over exberurant friendly chat.”

    PC boy “You can say that it is a Brixton thing, but not that!”

    Me: “I could, but it wouldn’t be true. You wait until he leaves, they will be best friends.”

    Something get resolved around the back and the vistor leaves smiling and waving. The barman returns chuckling to himself.

    Me to PC boy: “See? I told you”

    PC boy to the barman: “You really ought to change your drug dealer”

    Barman: “Pardon?”

    Me to PC boy: “NOW who is making assumptions?”

    If only people felt more confident in speaking what they feel PC attitude isn’t anything more than lip service in my opinon.

    TFI

  13. TheFriendlyInfidel — on 4th April, 2007 at 2:31 pm  

    Not dividing, just suggesting a bit of ‘positive action’ for the brown folk. Don’t get your knickers in a twist.

    My knickers are just fine Sunny, although this thong I’m wearing is cutting like wire through cheese.

    I was wondering that perphaps we ought set up a website that count the number of times you use the word “brown” in your articles? ;)

    TFI

  14. TheFriendlyInfidel — on 4th April, 2007 at 2:44 pm  

    Sunny I’ve been reading your blog for a while now. I’m coming to the conclusion that your great idea for social cohension is dividing lines down colour, rather than religion? Lets have a scan at your articles:

    http://tinyurl.com/32y4ph

    After all, why dislike or favor someone for what they think when you could do it on their skin colour instead!?!? It certainly saves time listening to what they have to say!

    Ever hear the joke: “Any women looking for equality is massively underestimating her potentual”?

    Reminds me of Leon’s “One day we will all be brown” articles.

    Good luck in your mission!

    TFI

  15. Sam Ambreen — on 4th April, 2007 at 2:48 pm  

    It kinda irks me that we have to think before we speak so as to keep our peace with the PC brigade. It also bugs me that it’s alright to use certain words around certain people but not around others.

    If a word is considered truly offensive (such as the N or P words), then it’s high time we stopped using them in rap videos, for instance.

  16. Kismet Hardy — on 4th April, 2007 at 3:17 pm  

    Don’t say that. I’m trying to coin pigger as a term

    So if you were to see, say an Asian bloke, wearing bling and listening to Mos Def, he wouldn’t necessarily be a pigger. You have to be caught having sex with a pig

    So who wants to join my pigger gang?

    I have a slogan and all. Piggers are bigger

    Anyone?

  17. Sam Ambreen — on 4th April, 2007 at 3:21 pm  

    You’d still be hurting someone’s feelings!

    Does the same apply to, like, a digger?

  18. TheFriendlyInfidel — on 4th April, 2007 at 3:22 pm  

    Kismet, I love my bacon and as much as the next non Jew \ Muslim. I especially love my bacon on a Saturday morning, all crispy in an toasted nan or soft beard.

    But that love is reserved for the pan, and the pan alone. Unlike you, I don’t want to move this love in to the FIRE!!!

    TFI

  19. Kismet Hardy — on 4th April, 2007 at 3:22 pm  

    No. Dogs are unattractive. You’re sick

  20. Kismet Hardy — on 4th April, 2007 at 3:23 pm  

    TFI

    You don’t know how lucky you are. To see something moving and think: food or not food. Not: sex. Lucky lucky man

  21. Sam Ambreen — on 4th April, 2007 at 3:23 pm  

    Pigs are against my religion.

    Dogs, on the other hand, are like a man’s best friend.

  22. Sam Ambreen — on 4th April, 2007 at 3:24 pm  

    Oh s***, I said P**.

  23. Kismet Hardy — on 4th April, 2007 at 3:25 pm  

    It’s like Pink Floyd never died

  24. TheFriendlyInfidel — on 4th April, 2007 at 3:30 pm  

    Kismet, it ENTIRELY depends on how hungry I am. It like a war between my Mind(me), my Stomach (Terry) and my ‘member’ (Ego).

    Depending which gets statisfied last is the one that gets the most of my ‘run time’ as such.

    I’m one of the few man that can take the compliment “You have a massive ego”.

    “Its nice of you to say that, but you flatter me, I’ve seen much bigger on the internet”

    TFI

  25. Leon — on 4th April, 2007 at 3:32 pm  

    It’s like Pink Floyd never died

    Er, they didn’t, well not the other four…

  26. sonia — on 4th April, 2007 at 3:39 pm  

    TFI makes me giggle :-)

  27. Kismet Hardy — on 4th April, 2007 at 3:40 pm  

    I know Leon. A bit mad today. It’s like a Friday isn’t it? So it’s allowed, right?

  28. Kismet Hardy — on 4th April, 2007 at 3:40 pm  

    Hang on. It’s not like a Fiday at all. I thought it was thursday

  29. Sam Ambreen — on 4th April, 2007 at 3:42 pm  

    I demand a serious conversation!

  30. Kismet Hardy — on 4th April, 2007 at 3:47 pm  

    Fine! Is it really racist to say nitty gritty?

  31. Sam Ambreen — on 4th April, 2007 at 3:48 pm  

    Yup, refers to the nits and grits of the slave ships.

  32. Kismet Hardy — on 4th April, 2007 at 3:49 pm  

    TFI, you call your member an ego. Again, lucky man. I call mine groucho cos he’s not allowed a membership in the grand scheme of cocks…

  33. Kismet Hardy — on 4th April, 2007 at 3:50 pm  

    So what if I have nits in my hair and grit between my toes? Does that mean I’m a walking, scratching racist caricature? It’s like the phrase I coined recently: ‘political correctness gone mad’

  34. Kismet Hardy — on 4th April, 2007 at 3:50 pm  

    Talking of nothing, what was political correctness like when it wasn’t mentally imbalanced?

  35. Sam Ambreen — on 4th April, 2007 at 4:01 pm  

    Hey, you know the home page? Look in the top right hand corner. It’s that newsreader I was telling you about.

  36. Sam Ambreen — on 4th April, 2007 at 4:03 pm  

    Well, if you want a full glossary of offensive terms, go to the terminology section on the Ligali website. Personally, I think that bunch are a bit tapped and a lot of it’s tripe but if there’s truth in it, better to be safe than sorry.

  37. Kismet Hardy — on 4th April, 2007 at 4:10 pm  

    Miss Ambreen, you’re blowing my cool here. I have something of a reputation here for being lonely. So please, stop embarrassing me mum. I see no newsreader. I see liliput dancing ladies

  38. Kismet Hardy — on 4th April, 2007 at 4:11 pm  

    Oh yeah. She’s no riz latif. In fact i’d go as far as saying I don’t know who she is. She’s from birmingham right? Good link

  39. ZinZin — on 4th April, 2007 at 4:11 pm  

    Fine! Is it really racist to say nitty gritty?

    Niggardly now thats a tough one. Or niggle.

  40. Kismet Hardy — on 4th April, 2007 at 4:19 pm  

    Oh that reminds me zin. What about Nigger of Narcissus? That’s a classic book, isn’t it? Has it been Noddy-fied?

  41. Kismet Hardy — on 4th April, 2007 at 4:20 pm  

    Nope. You can buy it on Amazon

  42. Kismet Hardy — on 4th April, 2007 at 4:22 pm  

    When I was at uni I started a campaign to change the term DISABLED to DIFABLED until a woman in a wheelchair called me a loser SWP dopehead twat, or words to that effect. Ooh and I briefly courted a cute but mad comrade that wanted MANHOLE to be changed to PERSONHOLE. okay that bits a lie. I didn’t court her

  43. William — on 4th April, 2007 at 6:38 pm  

    in response to some of the earlier posts. Yes I was shocked to encounter racism amongst Asians or should it be Indians? However there were also many Asians who would pull them up about it. As well I have seen just as many black people pull other black people up for say playing the race card.

  44. William — on 4th April, 2007 at 6:43 pm  

    I was and still a bit confused as to whether to use the word Asians or Indians. I have encountered and Indian person who did not want to to be referred to as Asian because it was too broad including Chinese
    etc.

    Also does it confuse the term with Native American Indians but heck I remember now they are not Indians are they but Injuns!

    I once thought black was a harsh term but if that’s how they want to be referred fine by me.

  45. soru — on 4th April, 2007 at 7:19 pm  

    This thread is making me come over all kismetophobic

  46. anon — on 5th April, 2007 at 7:39 pm  

    I think a white person complaining about white people treating non-white people badly sounds a lot more effective than a non-white person making the same complaint.

    Similar points apply to anyone critizing a group they are a part of – blacks criticizing blacks, Asians criticizing Asians etc.

    So the “brown people complaining about the BNP” may be perfectly sensible in not doing anything. The BNPs critics gain much if they are clearly all people who would not personally lose – and might benefit – from the BNPs triumph.

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