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		<title>By: dilbert</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/107#comment-7529</link>
		<dc:creator>dilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 05:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America proves once again it is still stupid enough to have another Iraq invasion based on fabricated evidence all over again. All it takes is a little hate and a lot of lazy minds.
 And don&#039;t use the word insurgent- it&#039;s stupid. It insinuates there is a valid government in place to have an insurgency against. These are simply men defending their homeland from invaders. To criticize them is ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America proves once again it is still stupid enough to have another Iraq invasion based on fabricated evidence all over again. All it takes is a little hate and a lot of lazy minds.<br />
 And don&#8217;t use the word insurgent- it&#8217;s stupid. It insinuates there is a valid government in place to have an insurgency against. These are simply men defending their homeland from invaders. To criticize them is ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Tanvir</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/107#comment-2461</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanvir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At a time when you are trying to calm the west down and convince them not to destroy and take-over your country... you declare thier baby (Israel) should be wiped off the map.

This guy is nuts.

And his speech must have been music to Blair and Bush&#039;s ears...what better way to forward the case to take-over Iran.

The theory that he was trying to deflect attention from problems is rubbish though. As much as this guy is crazy, his sentiments are shared with just about the whole of the muslim word in some way or other. Some are smart and diplomatic and will say more western-firnedly things about it. But the bottom line is, everyone hates Israel. You&#039;ve got the usual Israel apologist who will say  &#039;but its there now&#039;  but I could invade France tomorrow morning, throw out most of the population, and if i sit there for long enough will it be mine?... anyway the debate about Israel could go on forever, if you want to be realistic, then it should be accepted as a state, but AT LEAST stick to its legal borders... I reckon most Muslims will settle for that, but Israel wont even do that...infact it continues to further occupation thought the wall, and build more settlements...where is the condemnation to that? Nowhere...not in the press...not on this website.

Anyways, going back to the main point of the story, I reckon this new Iranian President is the dream leader of Iran for the western world, he should be able to make enough cock-ups to make the case for war against Iran as easy as possible. 

Considering the dodgy dossiers on Iraq, and even post-war admission that the reasons given were lies... and the western public still stand by their actions...this war should be a breeze for Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At a time when you are trying to calm the west down and convince them not to destroy and take-over your country&#8230; you declare thier baby (Israel) should be wiped off the map.</p>
<p>This guy is nuts.</p>
<p>And his speech must have been music to Blair and Bush&#8217;s ears&#8230;what better way to forward the case to take-over Iran.</p>
<p>The theory that he was trying to deflect attention from problems is rubbish though. As much as this guy is crazy, his sentiments are shared with just about the whole of the muslim word in some way or other. Some are smart and diplomatic and will say more western-firnedly things about it. But the bottom line is, everyone hates Israel. You&#8217;ve got the usual Israel apologist who will say  &#8216;but its there now&#8217;  but I could invade France tomorrow morning, throw out most of the population, and if i sit there for long enough will it be mine?&#8230; anyway the debate about Israel could go on forever, if you want to be realistic, then it should be accepted as a state, but AT LEAST stick to its legal borders&#8230; I reckon most Muslims will settle for that, but Israel wont even do that&#8230;infact it continues to further occupation thought the wall, and build more settlements&#8230;where is the condemnation to that? Nowhere&#8230;not in the press&#8230;not on this website.</p>
<p>Anyways, going back to the main point of the story, I reckon this new Iranian President is the dream leader of Iran for the western world, he should be able to make enough cock-ups to make the case for war against Iran as easy as possible. </p>
<p>Considering the dodgy dossiers on Iraq, and even post-war admission that the reasons given were lies&#8230; and the western public still stand by their actions&#8230;this war should be a breeze for Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: Mokum</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/107#comment-2424</link>
		<dc:creator>Mokum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al-Hack, :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al-Hack, <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Al-Hack</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/107#comment-2422</link>
		<dc:creator>Al-Hack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That argument does not fly. If you only present one side of the view, only one perspective, then there is inherent bias. I could start a website only covering paedophilia by white middle-aged men, and pretty soon my audience could be convinced that the world is full of white paedophiles and that the problem is getting worse and worse.

Robert has a one-sided view that is feeds into a crowd of hungry baying xenophobes who are happy to believe that all Muslims are inherently evil.

After the Pakistani earthquake and the Iranian president comment, many of his minions called for all Muslims to be wiped off the map, without any irony. If you are encouraging and abetting that sort of behaviour and reaction, there is something wrong dudio!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That argument does not fly. If you only present one side of the view, only one perspective, then there is inherent bias. I could start a website only covering paedophilia by white middle-aged men, and pretty soon my audience could be convinced that the world is full of white paedophiles and that the problem is getting worse and worse.</p>
<p>Robert has a one-sided view that is feeds into a crowd of hungry baying xenophobes who are happy to believe that all Muslims are inherently evil.</p>
<p>After the Pakistani earthquake and the Iranian president comment, many of his minions called for all Muslims to be wiped off the map, without any irony. If you are encouraging and abetting that sort of behaviour and reaction, there is something wrong dudio!</p>
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		<title>By: j0nz</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/107#comment-2420</link>
		<dc:creator>j0nz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vikrant you are absolutley right of course. When will &quot;moderate&quot; Muslims address the issue, so that kuffar doesn&#039;t have to!

j0nz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vikrant you are absolutley right of course. When will &#8220;moderate&#8221; Muslims address the issue, so that kuffar doesn&#8217;t have to!</p>
<p>j0nz</p>
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		<title>By: Vikrant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vikrant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jihad Watch and Xenophobic? Not in my book dude.

Robert justs posts news articles from leading world dalies. For whatever reason some Muslims are killing kaffirs. &quot;Moderate&quot; Muslims havent been able to address this problem in satisfactory way. Muslim world today is rife with anti-Semitism and Muslim fundamentalists hold sway in almost all Muslim countries. If a person merely tries to bring this to the attention of the people, then u cant call him xenophobic.

Yes LGF can be described xenophobic in some ways but JW... No Way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jihad Watch and Xenophobic? Not in my book dude.</p>
<p>Robert justs posts news articles from leading world dalies. For whatever reason some Muslims are killing kaffirs. &#8220;Moderate&#8221; Muslims havent been able to address this problem in satisfactory way. Muslim world today is rife with anti-Semitism and Muslim fundamentalists hold sway in almost all Muslim countries. If a person merely tries to bring this to the attention of the people, then u cant call him xenophobic.</p>
<p>Yes LGF can be described xenophobic in some ways but JW&#8230; No Way!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve M</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/107#comment-2368</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to add that I accept fully that Israel must work towards peace and be prepared to make considerable sacrifices to achieve it (although sacrificing its existence isn&#039;t one of them).

I just think it&#039;s simplistic to imply that peace and the Palestinian State lie solely in the hands of the Israelis.

...and when an independent Palestinian state is finally established through bilateral Israeli-Palestinian negotiations, does it end there? Will a settlement that is acceptable to the majority of Palestinians be acceptable to the countries that claim to be so concerned with Palestinian welfare - Jordan, Saudi, Syria and Iran? Please tell me that it will, Al-Hack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to add that I accept fully that Israel must work towards peace and be prepared to make considerable sacrifices to achieve it (although sacrificing its existence isn&#8217;t one of them).</p>
<p>I just think it&#8217;s simplistic to imply that peace and the Palestinian State lie solely in the hands of the Israelis.</p>
<p>&#8230;and when an independent Palestinian state is finally established through bilateral Israeli-Palestinian negotiations, does it end there? Will a settlement that is acceptable to the majority of Palestinians be acceptable to the countries that claim to be so concerned with Palestinian welfare &#8211; Jordan, Saudi, Syria and Iran? Please tell me that it will, Al-Hack.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve M</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/107#comment-2366</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So when will the punching end?
I guess when Israel pulls its head out of the sand and sorts out a Palestinian state, no? - Al-Hack&lt;/i&gt;

Doesn&#039;t anyone else have any responsibility here?

Are the Palestinians merely passive observers? Do the countries which sponsor Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hizbollah have no effect either?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So when will the punching end?<br />
I guess when Israel pulls its head out of the sand and sorts out a Palestinian state, no? &#8211; Al-Hack</i></p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t anyone else have any responsibility here?</p>
<p>Are the Palestinians merely passive observers? Do the countries which sponsor Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hizbollah have no effect either?</p>
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		<title>By: blue mountain</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/107#comment-2361</link>
		<dc:creator>blue mountain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 05:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest on Ahmadinejad.

Tehran, Oct. 30 â€“ Iranâ€™s hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told the latest cabinet meeting in the Iranian capital that &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;â€œif we were permitted to hang two or three persons, the problems with the stock exchange would be solved for everâ€&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;, according to a Tehran-based newspaper.

Ahmadinejad was addressing a cabinet meeting held to discuss the rapidly deteriorating situation at the Tehran Stock Exchange, the daily Ruznet reported on Sunday.

Ministers and experts disagreed with all the different views and proposals raised at the meeting, which came to an end without any concrete results. Tempers flew high and participants shouted at each other during the discussion, according to the daily. Frustrated with the inability of his economic advisers and experts to come up with any solution, Ahmadinejad told them that the only way out of the current stock exchange and financial market problems was to &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;â€œfrightenâ€ speculators by hanging two or three of them.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Iranâ€™s ultra-Islamist President first sent jitters through the countryâ€™s markets when he said on the eve of the presidential elections in June that &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;â€œstock exchange activities are a kind of gambling and we are against themâ€&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;. Gambling is banned in Islam.

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Nervous investors have been transferring their capital to other countries, and Dubai has benefited palpably from the flight of capital from Iran. The Tehran Stock Exchange has lost 20 percent of its value in the past four months.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

â€œAt the moment there are no buyers in this market, only sellersâ€, the newspaper Ruznet wrote. â€œEconomists believe the situation is becoming more difficult to handle day by dayâ€.

Incendiary statements by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and other top Iranian officials have contributed to the creation of an atmosphere of uncertainty and instability in the countryâ€™s financial markets, according to analysts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest on Ahmadinejad.</p>
<p>Tehran, Oct. 30 â€“ Iranâ€™s hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told the latest cabinet meeting in the Iranian capital that <i><b>â€œif we were permitted to hang two or three persons, the problems with the stock exchange would be solved for everâ€</b></i>, according to a Tehran-based newspaper.</p>
<p>Ahmadinejad was addressing a cabinet meeting held to discuss the rapidly deteriorating situation at the Tehran Stock Exchange, the daily Ruznet reported on Sunday.</p>
<p>Ministers and experts disagreed with all the different views and proposals raised at the meeting, which came to an end without any concrete results. Tempers flew high and participants shouted at each other during the discussion, according to the daily. Frustrated with the inability of his economic advisers and experts to come up with any solution, Ahmadinejad told them that the only way out of the current stock exchange and financial market problems was to <i><b>â€œfrightenâ€ speculators by hanging two or three of them.</b></i></p>
<p>Iranâ€™s ultra-Islamist President first sent jitters through the countryâ€™s markets when he said on the eve of the presidential elections in June that <i><b>â€œstock exchange activities are a kind of gambling and we are against themâ€</b></i>. Gambling is banned in Islam.</p>
<p><i><b>Nervous investors have been transferring their capital to other countries, and Dubai has benefited palpably from the flight of capital from Iran. The Tehran Stock Exchange has lost 20 percent of its value in the past four months.</b></i></p>
<p>â€œAt the moment there are no buyers in this market, only sellersâ€, the newspaper Ruznet wrote. â€œEconomists believe the situation is becoming more difficult to handle day by dayâ€.</p>
<p>Incendiary statements by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and other top Iranian officials have contributed to the creation of an atmosphere of uncertainty and instability in the countryâ€™s financial markets, according to analysts.</p>
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		<title>By: Fe'reeha</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/107#comment-2358</link>
		<dc:creator>Fe'reeha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is important to look at Ahmadinehadâ€™s comments in the background of Iranian foreign policy on the issue of Israel-Palestine.
Iran has always supported Palestenianâ€™s right of a separate state openly. After the Islamic revolution of 1979 brought about by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, Iran always stood steadfast on its stance of declaring Israeli occupation of Palestinian state as illegal. 
After Khomeiniâ€™s deaths, the following era tried a â€œslightâ€ thaw in the relationship but more or less Iran has been clear in its stance to an extent that it chose to have tension filled relationship with the US.
But, there is a difference between being anti-Semitic and anti-oppression. And a President of a country should definitely be able to see it.

And, I doubt there is â€œmuch method in Ahmadinejadâ€™s madnessâ€ of present comments. Iranâ€™s president, apparently, is naive about foreign diplomacy and can clearly not distinguish between not accepting a terrorist state from â€œwiping it offâ€ the map of the world. 
Not only do his remarks negate Iranian history but also play havoc with Iranâ€™s international relations.
The timing of Ahmadinejad&#039;s comment interestingly coincides with the new Washington-led 
campaign against Syria over the UN report on the assassination of former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri, yet, I doubt any timing could have been appropriate for such uncalled for comments.
 I think, we can safely assume that the president&#039;s comments were far from an orchestrated approach towards a positive goal or direction for the country.
Sunny, rightly calls him a bigger nut case than Musharraf, for President Musharraf, during his recent visit to the US, called oppressed women of his own country as fabrications of NGOâ€™s in Islamabad.
I remember when I had heard this comment from President Musharraf, it took me about half a day to register and actually believe that he had said it.
As far as Iranian Presidentâ€™s comments are concerned, I am still not sure I can believe someone can actually think ofâ€œlogicâ€ behind them, no matter how hard PP or any other blogs try to establish it.
The comments, far, far from following a carefully-planned approach are probably a personal statement of ideological preference. (I am so kind when I use the word ideological).

Moreover, it is quite clear by the furore it has caused in the Western and the rest of the world, with our very own PM going ballistic, that the comments have not been particularly of any service to the Iranian interests.
In a world, where everyone is already looking dubiously at Iranâ€™s nuclear programme, Iran will not be winning their case by uttering such sentimental remarks by a President, no matter how accurately they point at double policies of US regarding the nuclear programme of Israel and other countries.
No matter how confident Iran is about its support to the US in Basra (shiâ€™ite majority), Iran should at least know by now, that Basra and beyond, the US loyalties could never accede Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is important to look at Ahmadinehadâ€™s comments in the background of Iranian foreign policy on the issue of Israel-Palestine.<br />
Iran has always supported Palestenianâ€™s right of a separate state openly. After the Islamic revolution of 1979 brought about by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, Iran always stood steadfast on its stance of declaring Israeli occupation of Palestinian state as illegal.<br />
After Khomeiniâ€™s deaths, the following era tried a â€œslightâ€ thaw in the relationship but more or less Iran has been clear in its stance to an extent that it chose to have tension filled relationship with the US.<br />
But, there is a difference between being anti-Semitic and anti-oppression. And a President of a country should definitely be able to see it.</p>
<p>And, I doubt there is â€œmuch method in Ahmadinejadâ€™s madnessâ€ of present comments. Iranâ€™s president, apparently, is naive about foreign diplomacy and can clearly not distinguish between not accepting a terrorist state from â€œwiping it offâ€ the map of the world.<br />
Not only do his remarks negate Iranian history but also play havoc with Iranâ€™s international relations.<br />
The timing of Ahmadinejad&#8217;s comment interestingly coincides with the new Washington-led<br />
campaign against Syria over the UN report on the assassination of former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri, yet, I doubt any timing could have been appropriate for such uncalled for comments.<br />
 I think, we can safely assume that the president&#8217;s comments were far from an orchestrated approach towards a positive goal or direction for the country.<br />
Sunny, rightly calls him a bigger nut case than Musharraf, for President Musharraf, during his recent visit to the US, called oppressed women of his own country as fabrications of NGOâ€™s in Islamabad.<br />
I remember when I had heard this comment from President Musharraf, it took me about half a day to register and actually believe that he had said it.<br />
As far as Iranian Presidentâ€™s comments are concerned, I am still not sure I can believe someone can actually think ofâ€œlogicâ€ behind them, no matter how hard PP or any other blogs try to establish it.<br />
The comments, far, far from following a carefully-planned approach are probably a personal statement of ideological preference. (I am so kind when I use the word ideological).</p>
<p>Moreover, it is quite clear by the furore it has caused in the Western and the rest of the world, with our very own PM going ballistic, that the comments have not been particularly of any service to the Iranian interests.<br />
In a world, where everyone is already looking dubiously at Iranâ€™s nuclear programme, Iran will not be winning their case by uttering such sentimental remarks by a President, no matter how accurately they point at double policies of US regarding the nuclear programme of Israel and other countries.<br />
No matter how confident Iran is about its support to the US in Basra (shiâ€™ite majority), Iran should at least know by now, that Basra and beyond, the US loyalties could never accede Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: j0nz</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/107#comment-2214</link>
		<dc:creator>j0nz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric the Unread has a great analogy on this one. &lt;a href=&quot;http://erictheunred.blogspot.com/2005/10/threats.html&quot; target=_blank&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric the Unread has a great analogy on this one. <a href="http://erictheunred.blogspot.com/2005/10/threats.html" target=_blank>Link</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that the Iranian president has told off and fired most of his Ambassadors (hat tip Harry&#039;s Place), I&#039;d say this isn&#039;t just about getting his locals riled up.

He&#039;s just gone plane bonkers I&#039;d say and doing the time honoured think of taking a big gun, aiming it at his foot and firmly pulling the trigger. 

I think I&#039;ve gone off the idea of letting Iran develop its nukes if it wants too... that guy is more of a nutcase than Musharraf, though not the N. Korean leader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that the Iranian president has told off and fired most of his Ambassadors (hat tip Harry&#8217;s Place), I&#8217;d say this isn&#8217;t just about getting his locals riled up.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s just gone plane bonkers I&#8217;d say and doing the time honoured think of taking a big gun, aiming it at his foot and firmly pulling the trigger. </p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ve gone off the idea of letting Iran develop its nukes if it wants too&#8230; that guy is more of a nutcase than Musharraf, though not the N. Korean leader.</p>
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		<title>By: Mokum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mokum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha ha! &lt;i&gt;Other way around for me brotha!&lt;/i&gt; should be written on the walls of every Islamic seminary.

A Palestinian state is not too much to ask for.  I&#039;d like to see one tomorrow morning.  Can you arrange it?

Innocent Iraqis: Ken Bigley is one of their representatives.

Good night, bro, we&#039;ll work this out, I promise you :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha! <i>Other way around for me brotha!</i> should be written on the walls of every Islamic seminary.</p>
<p>A Palestinian state is not too much to ask for.  I&#8217;d like to see one tomorrow morning.  Can you arrange it?</p>
<p>Innocent Iraqis: Ken Bigley is one of their representatives.</p>
<p>Good night, bro, we&#8217;ll work this out, I promise you <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: j0nz</title>
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		<dc:creator>j0nz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well LGF is pretty much anti-fascist so for a &#039;right wing&#039; site it&#039;s pretty progressive. Charles Johnson&#039;s posts are always good and with sharp analysis and wit... Comments are where LGF problem&#039;s lie. I don&#039;t like the way there are no dissenting voices allowed - a decent debate can&#039;t be had. Only people who agree are allowed to post... And of course some of the comments are just plain trashy.

Having said that there are many decent LGF commentors so it&#039;s not all &lt;i&gt;bad.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well LGF is pretty much anti-fascist so for a &#8216;right wing&#8217; site it&#8217;s pretty progressive. Charles Johnson&#8217;s posts are always good and with sharp analysis and wit&#8230; Comments are where LGF problem&#8217;s lie. I don&#8217;t like the way there are no dissenting voices allowed &#8211; a decent debate can&#8217;t be had. Only people who agree are allowed to post&#8230; And of course some of the comments are just plain trashy.</p>
<p>Having said that there are many decent LGF commentors so it&#8217;s not all <i>bad.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Al-Hack</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/107#comment-2209</link>
		<dc:creator>Al-Hack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;For what itâ€™s worth (zero), I supported the liberation of Iraq, and I support a withdrawal of Western troops now.&lt;/i&gt;

Other way around for me brotha!

&lt;i&gt;You are so right. So when will the punching end?&lt;/i&gt;
I guess when Israel pulls its head out of the sand and sorts out a Palestinian state, no? Maybe I&#039;m asking for too much.

&lt;i&gt;Anyone who uses a mosque as a firing position on US marines is likely to get hurt. This seems to me a fair rule of warfare.

As for the aftermath, see Ken Bigleyâ€™s aftermath.&lt;/i&gt;

Sure. Was there intelligence on how many people were hiding in which mosque as tight as the dots that highlighted where the WMD were hidden? 

Ken Bigley is a cheap shot. What about all the innocent Iraqis my man?


&lt;i&gt;I believe the innocent Iraqiâ€™s lives come first. Then the soldiers, and aboslutley last of all the terrorists.&lt;/i&gt;

Well at least we have something to agree on j0nz. Thanks for picking up that article, I was looking for that. 

That soldier might have been under stress, but my point was general. We saw one guy being innocently shot. How many other innocent people in Fallujah were killed when the US army was bombing the city before attack, or during &quot;shock and awe&quot;. And while we are at it, want to speculate on the number of dead Iraqis in general?

Let&#039;s not go round and round in circles. You supported &quot;liberation&quot;, I opposed a &quot;pre-emptive invasion&quot; that was based on largely discredited intelligence. 

I just ain&#039;t willing to believe the US govt so easily like you.

And what say you about LGF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>For what itâ€™s worth (zero), I supported the liberation of Iraq, and I support a withdrawal of Western troops now.</i></p>
<p>Other way around for me brotha!</p>
<p><i>You are so right. So when will the punching end?</i><br />
I guess when Israel pulls its head out of the sand and sorts out a Palestinian state, no? Maybe I&#8217;m asking for too much.</p>
<p><i>Anyone who uses a mosque as a firing position on US marines is likely to get hurt. This seems to me a fair rule of warfare.</p>
<p>As for the aftermath, see Ken Bigleyâ€™s aftermath.</i></p>
<p>Sure. Was there intelligence on how many people were hiding in which mosque as tight as the dots that highlighted where the WMD were hidden? </p>
<p>Ken Bigley is a cheap shot. What about all the innocent Iraqis my man?</p>
<p><i>I believe the innocent Iraqiâ€™s lives come first. Then the soldiers, and aboslutley last of all the terrorists.</i></p>
<p>Well at least we have something to agree on j0nz. Thanks for picking up that article, I was looking for that. </p>
<p>That soldier might have been under stress, but my point was general. We saw one guy being innocently shot. How many other innocent people in Fallujah were killed when the US army was bombing the city before attack, or during &#8220;shock and awe&#8221;. And while we are at it, want to speculate on the number of dead Iraqis in general?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not go round and round in circles. You supported &#8220;liberation&#8221;, I opposed a &#8220;pre-emptive invasion&#8221; that was based on largely discredited intelligence. </p>
<p>I just ain&#8217;t willing to believe the US govt so easily like you.</p>
<p>And what say you about LGF?</p>
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		<title>By: Mokum</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/107#comment-2207</link>
		<dc:creator>Mokum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who uses a mosque as a firing position on US marines is likely to get hurt.  This seems to me a fair rule of warfare.

As for the aftermath, see Ken Bigley&#039;s aftermath.

Ramadan mubarak!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who uses a mosque as a firing position on US marines is likely to get hurt.  This seems to me a fair rule of warfare.</p>
<p>As for the aftermath, see Ken Bigley&#8217;s aftermath.</p>
<p>Ramadan mubarak!</p>
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		<title>By: j0nz</title>
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		<dc:creator>j0nz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before you leap on me with some lame counter-attack ,the last paragraph IS NOT my opinion, in fact I did not mean to post that paragraph.

I believe the innocent Iraqi&#039;s lives come first. Then the soldiers, and aboslutley last of all the terrorists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before you leap on me with some lame counter-attack ,the last paragraph IS NOT my opinion, in fact I did not mean to post that paragraph.</p>
<p>I believe the innocent Iraqi&#8217;s lives come first. Then the soldiers, and aboslutley last of all the terrorists.</p>
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		<title>By: j0nz</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/107#comment-2204</link>
		<dc:creator>j0nz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>U.S.Marines were fired upon by snipers and insurgents armed with rocket-propelled grenades from a mosque and an adjacent building. The Marines returned fire with tank shells and machine guns.

They eventually stormed the mosque, killing 10 insurgents and wounding five others, and showing a cache of rifles and grenades for journalists.

The Marines told the pool reporter that the wounded insurgents would be left behind for others to pick up and move to the rear for treatment. But Saturday, another squad of Marines found that the mosque had been reoccupied by insurgents and attacked it again.

Four of the insurgents appeared to have been shot again in Saturday&#039;s fighting, and one of them appeared to be dead, according to the pool report. In the video, a Marine was seen noticing that one of the insurgents appeared to be breathing.

A Marine approached one of the men in the mosque saying, &quot;He&#039;s [expletive] faking he&#039;s dead. He&#039;s faking he&#039;s [expletive] dead.&quot;

The Marine raised his rifle and fired into the insurgents head, at which point a companion said, &quot;Well, he&#039;s dead now.&quot;

The camera then shows two Americans pointing weapons at another Iraqi insurgent lying motionless. But one of the Marines step back as the insurgent stretches out his hand, motioning that he is alive. The other Marine stands his ground, but neither of them fires.

When told by the pool reporter that the men were among those wounded in Friday&#039;s firefight, the Marine who fired the shot said, &quot;I didn&#039;t know, sir. I didn&#039;t know.&quot;

&quot;You can hear the tension in those Marines&#039; voices. One is saying, &#039;He&#039;s faking it. He&#039;s faking it,&#039;&quot; Heyman said. &quot;In a combat infantry soldier&#039;s training, he is always taught that his enemy is at his most dangerous when he is severely wounded.&quot;

&lt;b&gt;A Marine in the same unit had been killed just a day earlier when he tended to the booby-trapped dead body of an insurgent.

NBC reported that the Marine seen shooting the Iraqi insurgent had himself been shot in the face the day before, but quickly returned to duty.

Amnesty International has noted reports that insurgents have used mosques as fighting positions, and have used white flags to lure Marines into ambushes.&lt;/b&gt;

The Marine who shot the insurgent has been withdrawn from the battlefield pending the results of an investigation, the U.S. military said.

These terrorists do not follow the rules of war. These terrorists kill innocent women by disemboweling them, cut of the heads of innocent truck drivers, detonate car bombs in crowds full of innocent people, and fly planes into buildings filled with innocent Americans.

It is my opinion that NOTHING should happen to this American Marine. He should be returned to his unit or be given an honorable discharge. We don&#039;t need our young men and women taking an extra second to decide if its right to shoot an enemy terrorist when that could mean that one of our soldiers could lose their life. The lives of our soldiers should be the single most important factor in this war against terrorism. The rights of terrorists can come second.

From &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.petitiononline.com/as123/petition.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. So WTF are you talking about &#039;inncocent Iraqis&#039;? Why do you have to lie/twist the truth everytime in order to vindicate your niave &#039;liberal&#039; agenda?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>U.S.Marines were fired upon by snipers and insurgents armed with rocket-propelled grenades from a mosque and an adjacent building. The Marines returned fire with tank shells and machine guns.</p>
<p>They eventually stormed the mosque, killing 10 insurgents and wounding five others, and showing a cache of rifles and grenades for journalists.</p>
<p>The Marines told the pool reporter that the wounded insurgents would be left behind for others to pick up and move to the rear for treatment. But Saturday, another squad of Marines found that the mosque had been reoccupied by insurgents and attacked it again.</p>
<p>Four of the insurgents appeared to have been shot again in Saturday&#8217;s fighting, and one of them appeared to be dead, according to the pool report. In the video, a Marine was seen noticing that one of the insurgents appeared to be breathing.</p>
<p>A Marine approached one of the men in the mosque saying, &#8220;He&#8217;s [expletive] faking he&#8217;s dead. He&#8217;s faking he&#8217;s [expletive] dead.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Marine raised his rifle and fired into the insurgents head, at which point a companion said, &#8220;Well, he&#8217;s dead now.&#8221;</p>
<p>The camera then shows two Americans pointing weapons at another Iraqi insurgent lying motionless. But one of the Marines step back as the insurgent stretches out his hand, motioning that he is alive. The other Marine stands his ground, but neither of them fires.</p>
<p>When told by the pool reporter that the men were among those wounded in Friday&#8217;s firefight, the Marine who fired the shot said, &#8220;I didn&#8217;t know, sir. I didn&#8217;t know.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;You can hear the tension in those Marines&#8217; voices. One is saying, &#8216;He&#8217;s faking it. He&#8217;s faking it,&#8217;&#8221; Heyman said. &#8220;In a combat infantry soldier&#8217;s training, he is always taught that his enemy is at his most dangerous when he is severely wounded.&#8221;</p>
<p><b>A Marine in the same unit had been killed just a day earlier when he tended to the booby-trapped dead body of an insurgent.</p>
<p>NBC reported that the Marine seen shooting the Iraqi insurgent had himself been shot in the face the day before, but quickly returned to duty.</p>
<p>Amnesty International has noted reports that insurgents have used mosques as fighting positions, and have used white flags to lure Marines into ambushes.</b></p>
<p>The Marine who shot the insurgent has been withdrawn from the battlefield pending the results of an investigation, the U.S. military said.</p>
<p>These terrorists do not follow the rules of war. These terrorists kill innocent women by disemboweling them, cut of the heads of innocent truck drivers, detonate car bombs in crowds full of innocent people, and fly planes into buildings filled with innocent Americans.</p>
<p>It is my opinion that NOTHING should happen to this American Marine. He should be returned to his unit or be given an honorable discharge. We don&#8217;t need our young men and women taking an extra second to decide if its right to shoot an enemy terrorist when that could mean that one of our soldiers could lose their life. The lives of our soldiers should be the single most important factor in this war against terrorism. The rights of terrorists can come second.</p>
<p>From <a href="http://www.petitiononline.com/as123/petition.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. So WTF are you talking about &#8216;inncocent Iraqis&#8217;? Why do you have to lie/twist the truth everytime in order to vindicate your niave &#8216;liberal&#8217; agenda?</p>
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		<title>By: Mokum</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/107#comment-2201</link>
		<dc:creator>Mokum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>al hack, as salaamu aleikum (forgive me if that is considered offensive{which would be crazy})

&lt;i&gt;what is exactly new in what he said&lt;/i&gt;

Nothing. However, the rank of the source surprises, does it not?  This crap hasn&#039;t been heard from the top of Iran for a while now.  Another &quot;what the f*ck&quot; moment for the world as it gets to grips with insane Islamism.

&lt;i&gt;To most of the arab countries Israel is a standard punching-bag that they bring up to pretend they show solidarity for their brothers. Iâ€™d like to see how much money Saudi Arabia has donated to help Palestinian poverty.&lt;/i&gt;

You are so right.  So when will the punching end?

Nah, let&#039;s not get into an argument about the rights and wrongs of the Iraq war.  Talk about boring internet programming :-)

For what it&#039;s worth (zero), I supported the liberation of Iraq, and I support a withdrawal of Western troops now.

Now that&#039;s unpopular! (tell the Iraqi people, who appear to agree with me on both counts)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>al hack, as salaamu aleikum (forgive me if that is considered offensive{which would be crazy})</p>
<p><i>what is exactly new in what he said</i></p>
<p>Nothing. However, the rank of the source surprises, does it not?  This crap hasn&#8217;t been heard from the top of Iran for a while now.  Another &#8220;what the f*ck&#8221; moment for the world as it gets to grips with insane Islamism.</p>
<p><i>To most of the arab countries Israel is a standard punching-bag that they bring up to pretend they show solidarity for their brothers. Iâ€™d like to see how much money Saudi Arabia has donated to help Palestinian poverty.</i></p>
<p>You are so right.  So when will the punching end?</p>
<p>Nah, let&#8217;s not get into an argument about the rights and wrongs of the Iraq war.  Talk about boring internet programming <img src='http://www.pickledpolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth (zero), I supported the liberation of Iraq, and I support a withdrawal of Western troops now.</p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s unpopular! (tell the Iraqi people, who appear to agree with me on both counts)</p>
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		<title>By: Al-Hack</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/107#comment-2197</link>
		<dc:creator>Al-Hack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was all over the TV. Bunch of Iraqis lying down injured because of a previous raid. American soldiers come in, see that there is nothing hidden in the place and decide to execute the remaining survivor. I think ABC news got the footage. I really should save all these links somewhere for use later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was all over the TV. Bunch of Iraqis lying down injured because of a previous raid. American soldiers come in, see that there is nothing hidden in the place and decide to execute the remaining survivor. I think ABC news got the footage. I really should save all these links somewhere for use later.</p>
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