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		<title>By: Chairwoman</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1061/comment-page-1#comment-59599</link>
		<dc:creator>Chairwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh for goodness sake.  A person ethnically aboriginal to the British and Channel Islands, including the Isles of Wight, Man, Orkneys and Hebrides, Inner and Outer, and Eel Pie Island in the Thames at Twickenham!

Me too Sid.  When I finally realised that I was an alien, it was a great relief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh for goodness sake.  A person ethnically aboriginal to the British and Channel Islands, including the Isles of Wight, Man, Orkneys and Hebrides, Inner and Outer, and Eel Pie Island in the Thames at Twickenham!</p>
<p>Me too Sid.  When I finally realised that I was an alien, it was a great relief.</p>
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		<title>By: Sid Love</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1061/comment-page-1#comment-59590</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want to be ethnically English. I&#039;m quite happy being a brother from another planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to be ethnically English. I&#8217;m quite happy being a brother from another planet.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1061/comment-page-1#comment-59589</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no ethnically English. You could say Anglo-Saxon but brown people can be &#039;English&#039; too. It is not an ethnic grouping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no ethnically English. You could say Anglo-Saxon but brown people can be &#8216;English&#8217; too. It is not an ethnic grouping.</p>
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		<title>By: soru</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1061/comment-page-1#comment-59586</link>
		<dc:creator>soru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You forgot Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man.</p>
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		<title>By: Chairwoman</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1061/comment-page-1#comment-59580</link>
		<dc:creator>Chairwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thabet - I&#039;m sorry. Ethnically English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish (Northern or Southern).

Well that was a complete pain in the bum!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thabet &#8211; I&#8217;m sorry. Ethnically English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish (Northern or Southern).</p>
<p>Well that was a complete pain in the bum!</p>
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		<title>By: thabet</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1061/comment-page-1#comment-59569</link>
		<dc:creator>thabet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ethnically British&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ethnically British&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1061/comment-page-1#comment-59387</link>
		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 23:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My view is that the Tebbit test is a harmless bit of fun, and can be made too much of. I think that the England football team are a bunch of thugs and whiners, and so will be supporting Israel, or anyone else who plays against them. Nothing to do with race, or nationality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My view is that the Tebbit test is a harmless bit of fun, and can be made too much of. I think that the England football team are a bunch of thugs and whiners, and so will be supporting Israel, or anyone else who plays against them. Nothing to do with race, or nationality.</p>
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		<title>By: Chairwoman</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1061/comment-page-1#comment-59379</link>
		<dc:creator>Chairwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sahil - Who on earth said you were an antisemite?

Sunny - With reference to the MCB, silly? yes, but understandably paranoid.

The Dude - If we were as successful as you think we are, we wouldn&#039;t all be so paranoid.

Rumbold - I think the Tebbit Cricket Test applied to every one of us who isn&#039;t ethnically British.  And that includes all the East Europeans living here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sahil &#8211; Who on earth said you were an antisemite?</p>
<p>Sunny &#8211; With reference to the MCB, silly? yes, but understandably paranoid.</p>
<p>The Dude &#8211; If we were as successful as you think we are, we wouldn&#8217;t all be so paranoid.</p>
<p>Rumbold &#8211; I think the Tebbit Cricket Test applied to every one of us who isn&#8217;t ethnically British.  And that includes all the East Europeans living here.</p>
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		<title>By: ZinZin</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1061/comment-page-1#comment-59377</link>
		<dc:creator>ZinZin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sahil
Was that a pre-emptive strike against any accusations of anti-semitism? Just because someone calls you an anti-semite doesn&#039;t mean that they are right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sahil<br />
Was that a pre-emptive strike against any accusations of anti-semitism? Just because someone calls you an anti-semite doesn&#8217;t mean that they are right.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Unfair or harmless?&lt;/i&gt;

Depends if you think the same should apply when they write about British Indians or Pakistanis supporting those countries during Cricket. After all, the Tebbit Test was designed for them in mind. Why is it never questioned on that basis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Unfair or harmless?</i></p>
<p>Depends if you think the same should apply when they write about British Indians or Pakistanis supporting those countries during Cricket. After all, the Tebbit Test was designed for them in mind. Why is it never questioned on that basis?</p>
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		<title>By: Rumbold</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1061/comment-page-1#comment-59374</link>
		<dc:creator>Rumbold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not think that anyone was insinuating that you were anti-semitic, Sahil.

While Melanie Philips gets it wrong in many respects, she is onto something when she talks about the anti-Israeli bias running through much of the media. No other country has to defend their right to exist.

Slightly off the point for this thread, Stephen Pollard wrote in the Telegraph today on a variation of Lord Tebbit&#039;s cricket test, on Jews choosing their side for tomorrow&#039;s football match:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml;jsessionid=243GGHDQJ05WDQFIQMGCFFWAVCBQUIV0?xml=/opinion/2007/03/23/do2302.xml

The BBC have something similar:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6486611.stm

Unfair or harmless?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think that anyone was insinuating that you were anti-semitic, Sahil.</p>
<p>While Melanie Philips gets it wrong in many respects, she is onto something when she talks about the anti-Israeli bias running through much of the media. No other country has to defend their right to exist.</p>
<p>Slightly off the point for this thread, Stephen Pollard wrote in the Telegraph today on a variation of Lord Tebbit&#8217;s cricket test, on Jews choosing their side for tomorrow&#8217;s football match:<br />
<a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml;jsessionid=243GGHDQJ05WDQFIQMGCFFWAVCBQUIV0?xml=/opinion/2007/03/23/do2302.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml;jsessionid=243GGHDQJ05WDQFIQMGCFFWAVCBQUIV0?xml=/opinion/2007/03/23/do2302.xml</a></p>
<p>The BBC have something similar:<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6486611.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6486611.stm</a></p>
<p>Unfair or harmless?</p>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1061/comment-page-1#comment-59354</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chairwoman, her Jewishness has little to do with it. I find her views illogical and idiotic and on pretty much everything, including moral values, the climate, social justice etc etc. The list is very long.

For example, here I criticise her stance on multiculturalism.
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/sunny_hundal/2006/06/londonistan_versus_londonstani.html

Here I criticise her absurd belief that the only thing to stop Islamist terrorism is a growth in Christian fundamentalism!
http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/877

Her silly book:
http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/776

None of these even cover her views on Israel etc, though that is another source of comedy.

Finally, you say:
&lt;i&gt;Perhaps if you were part of group of people constantly criticised and demonised, you might start to understand where her paranoia comes from.&lt;/i&gt;

Would you apply the same standards to the MCB and their silly friends then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chairwoman, her Jewishness has little to do with it. I find her views illogical and idiotic and on pretty much everything, including moral values, the climate, social justice etc etc. The list is very long.</p>
<p>For example, here I criticise her stance on multiculturalism.<br />
<a href="http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/sunny_hundal/2006/06/londonistan_versus_londonstani.html" rel="nofollow">http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/sunny_hundal/2006/06/londonistan_versus_londonstani.html</a></p>
<p>Here I criticise her absurd belief that the only thing to stop Islamist terrorism is a growth in Christian fundamentalism!<br />
<a href="http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/877" rel="nofollow">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/877</a></p>
<p>Her silly book:<br />
<a href="http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/776" rel="nofollow">http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/776</a></p>
<p>None of these even cover her views on Israel etc, though that is another source of comedy.</p>
<p>Finally, you say:<br />
<i>Perhaps if you were part of group of people constantly criticised and demonised, you might start to understand where her paranoia comes from.</i></p>
<p>Would you apply the same standards to the MCB and their silly friends then?</p>
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		<title>By: Sid Love</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1061/comment-page-1#comment-59352</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the one Nazi reference from Melanie Phillip&#039;s blog, as reported by the Naziometer:

&quot;British universities are selling the pass on freedom of speech big time. The decision by Leeds university to cancel the proposed lecture by Matthias Küntzel on the links between the Nazis and Islamic antisemitism was absolutely shameful. As the Telegraph reported:&quot;

and so on...
You get the picture.

Reaches the parts other Muslim-worriers don&#039;t have the license to reach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the one Nazi reference from Melanie Phillip&#8217;s blog, as reported by the Naziometer:</p>
<p>&#8220;British universities are selling the pass on freedom of speech big time. The decision by Leeds university to cancel the proposed lecture by Matthias Küntzel on the links between the Nazis and Islamic antisemitism was absolutely shameful. As the Telegraph reported:&#8221;</p>
<p>and so on&#8230;<br />
You get the picture.</p>
<p>Reaches the parts other Muslim-worriers don&#8217;t have the license to reach.</p>
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		<title>By: Sid Love</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1061/comment-page-1#comment-59350</link>
		<dc:creator>Sid Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shine on Chris Lightfoot, you crazy diamond geezer. Always appreciate a nice bit of code.</description>
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		<title>By: TheFriendlyInfidel</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1061/comment-page-1#comment-59343</link>
		<dc:creator>TheFriendlyInfidel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In defence of Melanie Phillips, I think she is straightforward and clear-thinking in the sense that she thinks through her opinions, and is concerned about internal logic of her own as well as others’ arguments&lt;/i&gt;

I agree with this completely, although I don&#039;t agree with every point that she makes she is thought out and consistent. 

If she was to put every arguement as Jewish people against the world, I&#039;d have have the same contempt for her opinons as I reserve for Sunny&#039;s biogotted Brown people vs White arguements that he regularly bands around here and on CiF.

TFI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In defence of Melanie Phillips, I think she is straightforward and clear-thinking in the sense that she thinks through her opinions, and is concerned about internal logic of her own as well as others’ arguments</i></p>
<p>I agree with this completely, although I don&#8217;t agree with every point that she makes she is thought out and consistent. </p>
<p>If she was to put every arguement as Jewish people against the world, I&#8217;d have have the same contempt for her opinons as I reserve for Sunny&#8217;s biogotted Brown people vs White arguements that he regularly bands around here and on CiF.</p>
<p>TFI</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;ve just read Chris&#039; obituary. how sad...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve just read Chris&#8217; obituary. how sad&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>arif makes good points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>arif makes good points.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1061/comment-page-1#comment-59327</link>
		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Ms Philips pure vindictiveness and spite against anyone who utters a word of decent against the state of Israel&lt;/i&gt;

Do you mean Dissent?</description>
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<p>Do you mean Dissent?</p>
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		<title>By: Arif</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;pained&quot; - should have been &quot;painted&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;pained&#8221; &#8211; should have been &#8220;painted&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Arif</title>
		<link>http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/1061/comment-page-1#comment-59324</link>
		<dc:creator>Arif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe she hits the &quot;hot buttons&quot; of people who hit hers.  We all project vindictive and spiteful motives on those who we believe want to dehumanise and destroy us.  And by being pained as inherently vindictive and spiteful, they might feel dehumanised by people out to get them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe she hits the &#8220;hot buttons&#8221; of people who hit hers.  We all project vindictive and spiteful motives on those who we believe want to dehumanise and destroy us.  And by being pained as inherently vindictive and spiteful, they might feel dehumanised by people out to get them.</p>
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