The Melanie Phillips ‘Naziometer’ is back


by Sunny
22nd March, 2007 at 10:40 pm    

Virtual Stoa helpfully points out that the Melanie Phillips Naziometer, which counts how many times the words Nazi, Nazis or Nazism appear on the front page of her diary, is back. It was initially developed by Chris Lightfoot but stopped working after his unfortunate death. Now it has been resurrected in his name.


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  1. ZinZin — on 23rd March, 2007 at 12:13 am  

    Is Melanie Phillips a guilty pleasure of yours?

  2. Sunny — on 23rd March, 2007 at 12:23 am  

    I went to see my GP today. He said my blood pressure level was “great”. I think that is directly correlated to the fact I try and avoid reading her diary as much as possible. Though making fun of her writings is a guilty pleasure admittedly.

  3. Chairwoman — on 23rd March, 2007 at 8:26 am  

    What is it with you and Melanie Phillips? Why is everything she says mad or bad?

    Perhaps if you were part of group of people constantly criticised and demonised, you might start to understand where her paranoia comes from.

    As an example, this, from The Guardian,

    ‘Jews in the UK are not normal people, they are Anglo-Jewish, and their loyalty to the UK is in question. No matter how many generations or centuries they have been in England, they are still outsiders.’

    As the punch line from a very old joke about paranoia says ‘Wouldn’t you be paranoid if the Russians were under your bed’.

  4. The Dude — on 23rd March, 2007 at 9:25 am  

    It could be that Melanie Philips is just a nasty piece of work…..never mind her jewishness. I’m afraid I’m with Sunny on this one. Ms Philips isn’t a very nice person and IMHO she never will be. And wait there. The Jewish community based in the UK is one of the most successful in this country yet you would have us believe that they are all in some way paranoid. As much as I try, I just can’t square this circle. Success and paranoia are strange bed fellows. Or maybe on the other hand the rest of us is missing a trick.

  5. Sahil — on 23rd March, 2007 at 9:35 am  

    Chairwoman #3

    What does her ethnicity have to do with her take on take on human rights?

    “More seriously still, human rights law has been used to destroy control over the country’s borders. A series of court rulings laid down the right of illegal immigrants to welfare benefits — thus undermining the very basis of citizenship — and refused to allow the deportation of terrorist suspects to countries where there was any record of abuses of human rights.”

    What does her ethnicity have to do with her take on diversity?

    “Clearly, in the interests of diversity and widening participation, the only people who should go to university are the black children of lone alcoholic mothers and fathers who are doing time for drug offences, and who were brought up by illiterate foster parents who sexually abused them in a mobile home up an isolated dirt track in Cumbria.”

    What does her ethinicity have to do with her take on drugs and gang warfare?

    “It is terrible because it is mainly white drug users who are being supplied by these black gangs. And it is short- sighted because this mayhem is spreading well beyond the black population.”

    MP rightly talks about rising anti-semitism, yet has no problems bashing any other groups of people. She makes her money on demonising muslims whenever she has a chance, and will bash anyone if it fits her preconceived world view. She is a hypocrite and probably one of the nastiest pieces of work in the media world. And insinuating that I support anti-semitism because I think MP is a dangerous crackpot is akin to people being accused of Islamophobia because they called Captain Hook a nutjob.

    As for the Nazimeter, whenever the word Nazi is introduced into issues concerning I/P (or in arguments more generally) the other person is talking crap! Israelis are not Nazis exterminating Palestinians, and Palestinians are not Nazis exterminating Israelis. MP regularly uses such emotive language to polarise any debate concerning I/P. She is a perfect example of Orwell’s double think and certainly no friend to moderates anywhere: she’s gagging for a realisation of Huntingdon’s thesis, something I hope most people wish will never happen.

  6. Arif — on 23rd March, 2007 at 9:50 am  

    In defence of Melanie Phillips, I think she is straightforward and clear-thinking in the sense that she thinks through her opinions, and is concerned about internal logic of her own as well as others’ arguments.

    Israel and anything to do with threats to Jewish communities and her view of the Judeo-Christian character of the UK are “hot button” issues for her where I think her fear is so great, she resorts to extreme language to transmit that fear to other people she feels are too complacent.

  7. Leon — on 23rd March, 2007 at 10:09 am  

    It could be that Melanie Philips is just a nasty piece of work

    Yep, she’s vile person.

  8. THe Dude — on 23rd March, 2007 at 10:19 am  

    Arif

    Fear, loathing and paranoia does not a rational arguement make. Add to the mix Ms Philips pure vindictiveness and spite against anyone who utters a word of decent against the state of Israel and what remains of logic and morality really doesn’t have a chance to get a foothold.

  9. Arif — on 23rd March, 2007 at 11:21 am  

    Maybe she hits the “hot buttons” of people who hit hers. We all project vindictive and spiteful motives on those who we believe want to dehumanise and destroy us. And by being pained as inherently vindictive and spiteful, they might feel dehumanised by people out to get them.

  10. Arif — on 23rd March, 2007 at 11:21 am  

    “pained” – should have been “painted”

  11. Leon — on 23rd March, 2007 at 11:51 am  

    Ms Philips pure vindictiveness and spite against anyone who utters a word of decent against the state of Israel

    Do you mean Dissent?

  12. sonia — on 23rd March, 2007 at 12:16 pm  

    arif makes good points.

  13. sonia — on 23rd March, 2007 at 12:21 pm  

    i’ve just read Chris’ obituary. how sad…

  14. TheFriendlyInfidel — on 23rd March, 2007 at 1:47 pm  

    In defence of Melanie Phillips, I think she is straightforward and clear-thinking in the sense that she thinks through her opinions, and is concerned about internal logic of her own as well as others’ arguments

    I agree with this completely, although I don’t agree with every point that she makes she is thought out and consistent.

    If she was to put every arguement as Jewish people against the world, I’d have have the same contempt for her opinons as I reserve for Sunny’s biogotted Brown people vs White arguements that he regularly bands around here and on CiF.

    TFI

  15. Sid Love — on 23rd March, 2007 at 2:31 pm  

    Shine on Chris Lightfoot, you crazy diamond geezer. Always appreciate a nice bit of code.

  16. Sid Love — on 23rd March, 2007 at 2:34 pm  

    This is the one Nazi reference from Melanie Phillip’s blog, as reported by the Naziometer:

    “British universities are selling the pass on freedom of speech big time. The decision by Leeds university to cancel the proposed lecture by Matthias Küntzel on the links between the Nazis and Islamic antisemitism was absolutely shameful. As the Telegraph reported:”

    and so on…
    You get the picture.

    Reaches the parts other Muslim-worriers don’t have the license to reach.

  17. Sunny — on 23rd March, 2007 at 2:44 pm  

    Chairwoman, her Jewishness has little to do with it. I find her views illogical and idiotic and on pretty much everything, including moral values, the climate, social justice etc etc. The list is very long.

    For example, here I criticise her stance on multiculturalism.
    http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/sunny_hundal/2006/06/londonistan_versus_londonstani.html

    Here I criticise her absurd belief that the only thing to stop Islamist terrorism is a growth in Christian fundamentalism!
    http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/877

    Her silly book:
    http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/776

    None of these even cover her views on Israel etc, though that is another source of comedy.

    Finally, you say:
    Perhaps if you were part of group of people constantly criticised and demonised, you might start to understand where her paranoia comes from.

    Would you apply the same standards to the MCB and their silly friends then?

  18. Rumbold — on 23rd March, 2007 at 8:00 pm  

    I do not think that anyone was insinuating that you were anti-semitic, Sahil.

    While Melanie Philips gets it wrong in many respects, she is onto something when she talks about the anti-Israeli bias running through much of the media. No other country has to defend their right to exist.

    Slightly off the point for this thread, Stephen Pollard wrote in the Telegraph today on a variation of Lord Tebbit’s cricket test, on Jews choosing their side for tomorrow’s football match:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml;jsessionid=243GGHDQJ05WDQFIQMGCFFWAVCBQUIV0?xml=/opinion/2007/03/23/do2302.xml

    The BBC have something similar:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6486611.stm

    Unfair or harmless?

  19. Sunny — on 23rd March, 2007 at 8:13 pm  

    Unfair or harmless?

    Depends if you think the same should apply when they write about British Indians or Pakistanis supporting those countries during Cricket. After all, the Tebbit Test was designed for them in mind. Why is it never questioned on that basis?

  20. ZinZin — on 23rd March, 2007 at 8:13 pm  

    Sahil
    Was that a pre-emptive strike against any accusations of anti-semitism? Just because someone calls you an anti-semite doesn’t mean that they are right.

  21. Chairwoman — on 23rd March, 2007 at 9:00 pm  

    Sahil – Who on earth said you were an antisemite?

    Sunny – With reference to the MCB, silly? yes, but understandably paranoid.

    The Dude – If we were as successful as you think we are, we wouldn’t all be so paranoid.

    Rumbold – I think the Tebbit Cricket Test applied to every one of us who isn’t ethnically British. And that includes all the East Europeans living here.

  22. Rumbold — on 23rd March, 2007 at 11:13 pm  

    My view is that the Tebbit test is a harmless bit of fun, and can be made too much of. I think that the England football team are a bunch of thugs and whiners, and so will be supporting Israel, or anyone else who plays against them. Nothing to do with race, or nationality.

  23. thabet — on 26th March, 2007 at 1:52 pm  

    “Ethnically British”?

  24. Chairwoman — on 26th March, 2007 at 4:31 pm  

    thabet – I’m sorry. Ethnically English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish (Northern or Southern).

    Well that was a complete pain in the bum!

  25. soru — on 26th March, 2007 at 4:48 pm  

    You forgot Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man.

  26. Sunny — on 26th March, 2007 at 4:53 pm  

    There is no ethnically English. You could say Anglo-Saxon but brown people can be ‘English’ too. It is not an ethnic grouping.

  27. Sid Love — on 26th March, 2007 at 5:01 pm  

    I don’t want to be ethnically English. I’m quite happy being a brother from another planet.

  28. Chairwoman — on 26th March, 2007 at 6:01 pm  

    Oh for goodness sake. A person ethnically aboriginal to the British and Channel Islands, including the Isles of Wight, Man, Orkneys and Hebrides, Inner and Outer, and Eel Pie Island in the Thames at Twickenham!

    Me too Sid. When I finally realised that I was an alien, it was a great relief.

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