NGN started so well but we’ve heard nothing more.
I hope Yasmin AB and author Hari are still keen.

b’shalom

bananabrain

I cannot find either predeluvian or deluvian in my dictionary.

But an internet search produced this:

http://www.sonic.net/~owfc/DeluvianPeriod.html

Which I think tells you quite a lot about the World Wide Web.

Yet I am strangely aware of the word. I have seen it before, somewhere. It is surely to do with before the Flood? I.e. really ancient, pre-history? Something like that? It is obviously not in common usage, as it’s not in my Dictionary. Still, I knew what he meant. Odd that.

I cant really speak about all the darul ulooms, but their are some tabligh outfits attached to the members list, something that gives me hope that its more broadbased that what i initially thought.

I guess we wait and see Zareen Apa has my support anyway, I wonder what she can do.

#32
Its from the very title ‘Reign’ ‘over’
When was the reign? Where was the time when they had any real power to direct advice to anything but to most low powered government decision.

I really dont understand the reasons why folks think its all about tea at downing street and dubiously sourced and highly contingent government funding. Its a misestimation of intentions and a misdirection of scrutiny.

#33
oo thats my first one! but hang on, im *giving* the class. i do mean my pseudo point about taking internet pr too seriously. Muslim institutional life, internal reform and the like, is important to me. Thats why slating them with premature broadbrush strokes is not my favourite pastime.

Religious Muslims and their institutions and opinions seem to be important in policy and media circles at the moment because of the terrorism thing. Its a level of attention that other subcommunities should be aware of the -ves of. Its understandable given whats happened but patronising, invasive, counterproductive, ignorance led… and quite tiring.

Nothing to be envious of at all.

Fugstar – which statement above I’ve written do you actually disagree with?

too many acronyms!

The Muslim community is discriminating against dyslexics — imagine how confusing all of this is.

I personally think the BMF should make way for the EMF

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as a “loony” adherent of one of these “bronze age” belief systems, how about:

respect for the other and for different belief systems –

“The stranger that lives with you shall be unto you as the native among you, and you must love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.” – leviticus 19:34

“Therefore you must therefore love the stranger; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.” – deuteronomy 10:19

“And you shall not wrong a stranger, neither shall you oppress him; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.” – exodus 22:21

social provision for the week and needy -

“And when you reap the harvest of your land, you shalt not wholly reap the corner of your field, neither shall you gather the gleaning of thy harvest; you shall leave them for the poor, and for the stranger.” – leviticus 23:22

animal welfare –

“You must not muzzle the ox when he is treading out the corn.” – deuteronomy 25:4

ethical employment –

“the seventh day is a sabbath unto G!D, on it you must not do any manner of work, [....]nor your man-servant, nor your maid-servant, nor your cattle, nor the stranger that is within your gates;”

alimony after divorce –

“When a man takes a wife, and marries her, then it comes to pass, if she finds no favour in his eyes [...] that he writes her a bill of divorcement, and gives it into her hand, and sends her out of his house” – deuteronomy 24:1

any clue yet?

b’shalom

bananabrain

Actually, yes there are a lot of establishments called “Dar-ul-Uloom” set up by Bareilawis; not all of them actually function as such though. DU’s in the Deobandi circle are actual religious schools and colleges which train imams and scholars. I know that there is one in Walthamstow which, last time I was around there (admittedly quite a few years ago) was just a mosque.

Also, i think its funny that bloggers and the government in partnership still think that they can define muslim problems and priorities. BMF have soverienty over the purpose of their initiative.

and #11.

No its pr webspeak, the basic quantitative description of the uk muslim ‘community’ with a bit of public services ‘love’ mixed in. Its not meant to describe non muslims by the way. Deal with it.

C – Must try harder, misses the point.. repeatedly

yusuf smith,
Dude they seem to have a lot of dar al uloom affiliates, which dont really emanate from the bareilwi massive now do they? id prefer to see them as a ‘The North’. And my, they have interesting issues to deal with.

A – liked the ’sofa party’ idea

Sunny,
did a religiously linked acronym knock down a sand castle of yours or something? I think MCB carry 40% of the islamic orgs in the country with them. Now thats an institutional linkage.

D – Needs assistance. Keeps making the same mistakes at the same steps and then brings in non related matters to further diffuse insight. Makes up headlines out of nothing, just a reading of an article in the press. Hilarious, dangerously misleading but still kinda cute.