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  • Discussion on Muslim magazines


    by Sunny
    15th March, 2007 at 4:41 am    

    The Guardian’s Riazat Butt presented another edition of Islamophonic, their weekly Muslim podcast, yesterday. It covers British Muslim magazines, with a focus on Emel. There’s also a discussion between myself and Sarfraz Manzoor on the content of these magazines. Sarfraz turned out to be more outspoken than I expected. Heh.


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    1. sonia — on 15th March, 2007 at 10:34 am  

      ha ha! quite a lot of outspoken people around eh? ;-)

    2. Jagdeep — on 15th March, 2007 at 12:27 pm  

      I really like reading Sarfraz Manzoor’s writing.

    3. Malik — on 15th March, 2007 at 1:19 pm  

      I’m really getting irritated on these Media outlets getting someone who “thinks” he knows about Muslims to talk about Muslim issues.

      We need Muslims to be giving their views and opinions not the likes of Sunny Hundal.

      No offence Sunny but I believe you should side step on issue’s which Muslims can do a better job on.

    4. Jagdeep — on 15th March, 2007 at 2:02 pm  

      If Muslims can discuss things about non Muslims, why can’t non Muslims talk about things related to Muslims?

      What a narrow minded bigoted thing to say.

    5. Sunny — on 15th March, 2007 at 3:00 pm  

      We need Muslims to be giving their views and opinions not the likes of Sunny Hundal.

      Whether you like it or not, I run the only mag focused on reporting on and commenting on minority media.

      Incidentally, why not say this about George Galloway too then?

    6. bananabrain — on 15th March, 2007 at 3:16 pm  

      Incidentally, why not say this about George Galloway too then?

      exactly, because pompous, self-glorifying, lying, jumped-up little weasels cannot be trusted to give their opinions, even on other pompous, self-glorifying, lying, jumped-up little weasels.

      b’shalom

      bananabrain

    7. Sid Love — on 15th March, 2007 at 3:26 pm  

      Or George Clooney even.

    8. Amrit — on 15th March, 2007 at 3:46 pm  

      bananabrain, that’s some hate you got going on there. Most unlike you :D .

      I also wanted to ask: why don’t you ever use capitals?

    9. Malik — on 15th March, 2007 at 3:53 pm  

      “Whether you like it or not, I run the only mag focused on reporting on and commenting on minority media.

      Incidentally, why not say this about George Galloway too then?”

      And that gives you the right to speak on behalf of Muslims? Exactly who is in this Asian Magazine. If someone like me who disagree’s with your views I doubt I can be one of your contributors to your “little magazine”. The only individuals who you push are those who you want to see as spokes people of the Muslims.

      Since when did Goerge Galloway be invited to talk a talk realting to Islam or the social problems the Muslims face, or lack of media representation?

      “If Muslims can discuss things about non Muslims, why can’t non Muslims talk about things related to Muslims?”

      Let’s hear what the Muslims are taking about the Non Muslims.

    10. Jagdeep — on 15th March, 2007 at 4:15 pm  

      Malik, there are lots of Muslim writers and journalists who comment on a wide range of subjects unrelated to Islam or Muslims. Are you suggesting that the excellent Sarfraz Manzoor, for example, shouldnt be ‘allowed’ to comment on Bruce Springsteen or Amitabh Bhachan, for example? Or Yasmin Alibhai Brown shouldnt talk about what interests her?

      Looking forward to your demented response with excitement.

    11. Kismet Hardy — on 15th March, 2007 at 4:16 pm  

      “And that gives you the right to speak on behalf of Muslims? Exactly who is in this Asian Magazine?”

      Well done for answering your own question. Asian magazines comprise of people from the sub-continent, not just muslims. If a person running an Asian magazine wants to comment on any of the religious groups that falls in this bracket, that’s more than fair enough

    12. bananabrain — on 15th March, 2007 at 4:24 pm  

      i don’t hate him. i despise everything he represents. despite his odious posturing on behalf of the people he purports to be helping, not one palestinian has yet been helped by going on syrian tv and saying things like “jerusalem is a beautiful arab daughter that is raped every day”. not one palestinian is helped by this. not one. all he does is hold them up as icons of victimhood - in the same country that, like lebanon, jordan, egypt and iraq, HAS KEPT ITS PALESTINIANS IN REFUGEE CAMPS FOR 60 YEARS. words cannot express my contempt for him - even without his well-documented sucking up to saddam hussein.

      the capitals? well, it’s basically about establishing the “bananic” voice, as opposed to when i write under my real name. just a stylistic quirk, really, which i hope isn’t too pretentious.

      b’shalom

      bananabrain

    13. Sunny — on 15th March, 2007 at 4:28 pm  

      And that gives you the right to speak on behalf of Muslims? Exactly who is in this Asian Magazine. If someone like me who disagree’s with your views I doubt I can be one of your contributors to your “little magazine”.

      I’m talking about - http://www.asiansinmedia.org

      I’m not speaking ‘on behalf of’ Muslims. Anyone with half a brain can see that. I was offering my opinion on the state of Muslim mags. I was asked other questions around how these mags make money and whether they’re financially sustainable etc but that was edited out.

      If you start running a magazine that offers news on the industry and it becomes widely read, by all means put yourself forward as an informed opinion on the subject. No one’s stopping you.

    14. ZinZin — on 15th March, 2007 at 4:31 pm  

      Let’s hear what the Muslims are taking about the Non Muslims.

      We all watched Dispatches: Undercover mosque.

    15. Sunny — on 15th March, 2007 at 4:38 pm  

      Malik, let me put it this way. Do you not like me going on as a commentator because:

      1) I don’t know enough about the industry?
      2) Because I said something factually incorrect?
      3) Because you don’t like what I said?
      4) You don’t like me?

    16. Malik — on 15th March, 2007 at 4:52 pm  

      Sunny first and foremost calm your bulldogs down.

      I have seen on a few occassions where people who have disagreed with you recieve a bullish response from your “militia”.

      On the question, I believe more Muslims need to be allowed a space and people like yourself are not giving up the media light because of your own political agenda.

      How many times have you been on BBC Asian Network? I can say it’s hundreds of times, but why are they getting the same tom, dicks and harrys for? Are you the only voice in the asian community? Your not Sunny to it would be nice to see that you give up and let others come through.

    17. Kulvinder — on 15th March, 2007 at 4:55 pm  

      I’m pretty sure the BBCAN would offer a voice to anyone who bothered to organise themselves and turn up.

    18. soru — on 15th March, 2007 at 4:59 pm  

      Better not let the americans know of this ‘Sunny militia’ thing, or before you know it, he’ll either be given a job as a junior oil minister in Iraq, bombed, or perhaps both.

    19. Jagdeep — on 15th March, 2007 at 5:09 pm  

      Malik gladdened my heart with his last post — brilliantly deranged and perescution complexed.

    20. Jagdeep — on 15th March, 2007 at 5:14 pm  

      Malik, quite apart from your paranoia, I have to say that you seem to amplify Hundal into some kind of Media Zeus, suggesting that he in some way controls things and that he should move to one side and allow ‘other people’ to comment on the BBC Asian Network. Listening to that radio station I am struck by the wide variety of opinions and viewpoints from the full spectrum of Asian communities, suggesting otherwise is idiocy and paranoid nonsense. You’re just a bigot whose arse was set on fire by a non Muslim appearing on a podcast about Muslim magazines. Go and have a cold bath and cool it down.

    21. justforfun — on 15th March, 2007 at 5:31 pm  

      Zeus? - Jagdeep - you miss the obvious - he is the Sun King if ot the Sun God of the media - its in his name, probably chosen by astrologers at his birth - I would need to 8) in his exalted presence - No hidding as his name say “it does what is says on the tin”.

      Does one get paid for opinions on the BBC or is it done for free? Will this also soon be outsourced to the sub-continent? I ask because I got my TV kicence demand this morning.

      Justforfun

    22. Sunny — on 15th March, 2007 at 5:37 pm  

      How many times have you been on BBC Asian Network?

      Heh, I love this. They invite me on about once a month. Every day that programme runs, they have on about 2-4 people. I’m one Asian voice amongst hundreds. Stop wasting my time with such silly remarks.

      You still haven’t answered #15.

    23. justforfun — on 15th March, 2007 at 5:41 pm  

      2 - 4 people !! - how much £ a pop?

      Justforfun

    24. lithcol — on 15th March, 2007 at 6:23 pm  

      It is of course not the frequency that is important but the impact. Can’t really judge that, since the program is below my current radars sensitivity. Guess some can detect it though.

      Do Buddhists and other Asian minority beliefs get a look in.?

    25. El Cid — on 15th March, 2007 at 7:43 pm  

      bananabrain,
      how comes when i don’t use capital letters it’s just laziness. look, see, can’t even be bothered with question mark. oops there goes indefinite article, and definite………styleee

      bulldog massives, eeesy nah, malik is just a little frustrated. step up the plate my man but you can’t expect sunny to ease off now. why don’t you ask paxo to make way too, and snowy. hey maybe sunny jim is getting to much exposure — is he like the jude law of asian media these days? (there you go)

    26. leon — on 15th March, 2007 at 11:22 pm  

      I have seen on a few occassions where people who have disagreed with you recieve a bullish response from your “militia”

      Fuck off. That bullish enough for you? If these idiots didn’t come on here and talk out of their backsides they wouldn’t get the responses they recieve.

    27. sunray — on 16th March, 2007 at 8:24 am  

      Sunny
      I know you don’t like my comments either, (probably because I don’t put them across very well, but that’s just my bad eNglish)

      Why is it necessary for your ‘bulldogs’ (borrowing a word here) to make a bludgeoned verbal ATTACK on opinions that we don’t agree with the author.

      ‘What a narrow minded bigoted thing to say’.
      “Looking forward to your demented response with excitement”
      “You’re just a bigot whose arse was set on fire…..”
      “Fuck off. That bullish enough for you?”

      The reason Leon gave for the attack was
      “If these idiots didn’t come on here and talk out of their backsides they wouldn’t get the responses they recieve.”

      Leon
      So everyone who has a different opinion to yours is an idiot? Why is their opinion bullish.
      You lot have your say and we have ours. The two may never agree but why all this disrespect and bullying.

      Why do you lot bully them out of this forum.

    28. Sunny — on 16th March, 2007 at 12:24 pm  

      So everyone who has a different opinion to yours is an idiot?

      There are lots of people here with different opinions. I think that PP readers can spot personal haters a mile off though, hence their annoyance. I asked Malik what exactly his problem was and I got no reply. I suspect, as does everyone else, though he won’t tell us, it’s because he doesn’t like me or my views. So he’s trying the whole ‘why not give someone else a chance’ routine.

      You’ll notice lots of people have contrarian views here who don’t get abused. Only the bigots do. You can smell their stench.

    29. Jagdeep — on 16th March, 2007 at 1:03 pm  

      Word up

    30. sunray — on 16th March, 2007 at 8:51 pm  

      “I think that PP readers can spot personal haters a mile off though”

      Its never personal Sunny. Its only to do with your opinions like above poster.
      As long as they are not targeting your personality (but only your opinions) then I see no reason to be abusive towards them.

      You obviously ‘offend’ a lot of people with your opinions and they respond back to that. The opinions on this topic was very decent but the gang mentality just destroyed it.

      Think about it.

      Im sure the idea behind PP was not to stop opinions like above posters and myself including.
      Im sure you want people to express their opinion so you can find the root cause of why people do the things the way they do.

      Anyway Im not preaching, but all I’ll say is you need to control some people on here. Im sure you want dignified responses then above.

    31. sunray — on 16th March, 2007 at 9:06 pm  

      “I asked Malik what exactly his problem was and I got no reply. I suspect, as does everyone else, though he won’t tell us, it’s because he doesn’t like me or my views.”

      The abuse took place before you even asked the question and Malik even apologised that you should take no offence in his very first post.
      Nothing wrong in asking why the BBC only picks you all the time when they can ask a 100 other different people. Its like you’re the expert on all subject and there is no one else. That’s hardly a personal attack.

      “You’ll notice lots of people have contrarian views here who don’t get abused. Only the bigots do. You can smell their stench.”

      I feel sorry for you sunny when you stoop this level.
      Look, you want people to add opinions here but when they do you don’t like it!
      What going on.

    32. Jagdeep — on 16th March, 2007 at 9:55 pm  

      sunray, the BBC Asian Network invites dozens, if not hundreds of people, both from individual standpoints and from pressure groups, community activists etc, on to their programmes to discuss issues of the day. Like Hundal said, he’s probably asked on once a month. In their shows, anyone can phone in and have their say. It is an open and transparent discussion point. You just have to pick up the phone and make your voice heard.

      Extrapolating from the fact that he’s asked on occasionally to give his views on a panel which always contains others who disagree with him that he is some kind of puppetmaster of the mdeia and airwaves, and a symbol of the marginalising of all the non-Sunny’s of the world, is really mendacious and stupid.

      When this is pointed out, you would expect those with chips on their shoulders to stop hunting their demons here or embodying them in Pickled Politics (and in the physical human shape of a man called Sunny), wouldnt you? The fundamental premise behind the question is demonstrably nonsense. It’s important that you understand this, because you think it was a really sensible and intelligent question in the first place.

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