Take this summary for example. The emphases are very different.

It’s easy to criticise from a distance, but considering these issues in light of media reports alone is unlikely to give a fair view.

Is there something we should be told?

Nothing to do with community capacities – at least in this case – merely to do with chronology, community arrival versus arising of communal politics.

yup i hear what jagdeep is saying.

Your earlier one clearly left a lot to be desired.

The question now is how do we develop this debate along the lines in your post #6.

The involvement of the Met. with the RSS-linked Hindu Forum is hardly helpful to the cause. I note also the jewish involvement.

Why they would want to get involved is a recognition of the seriousness of this new front, as well as the mendacity of the alliance.

When the RSS affiliated Hindu Forum raise a spurious scaremongering issue with communalist overtones their urban myth-making and impulse to do so is partially engendered by the reality that so many Islamist extremists have operated with virtual impunity for so long with their ‘in your face’ communalist bullshit, ignored by South Asian intellectuals and academics (and people like you) in Britain for the last one and a half decades – a denial and myopia that exists partly through genuine fear of confronting religious fanatics (thugs do intimidate people), but also because of the misplaced fear of stigmatising Muslims generally. The effect on the public space and the atmosphere of the Asian experience at Universities has been severe – it has degraded life in many ways, coarsened relationships and led to suspicion, fear and lack of trust at some pretty basic levels.

These are not vague attitudes plucked out of the air randomly from something and somewhere, but real, quantifiable and observable ideologically motivated communalist politics.

See here, for example.

It’s really quite simple, and tangible. It has nothing to do with ‘going back 80 years’. It has to do with in-your-face communalist ideology propagated by religious extremists on UK campuses, organized and virulent, dogmatic, right-wing, continuous, un-contested; it is this that partly opens up a space for bigoted communalists like the Hindu Forum to render their perspective in this way, to push their squalid agenda, because they see the success of others who have gone down a similar path.Rats tend to attract other rats when they want to fight. If white nationalist bigots had operated on campuses and gone uncriticised and unopposed for so long we would feel the effects in the poisoned atmosphere and community relations right now. The comparison with the Islamists is precise. Challenging BNP type white nationalist extremists is not stigmatizing white people. Challenging the Hindu Forum or Sikh forum is not stigmatizing or demonizing Hindus or Sikhs. Equally, you criticising the Hindu Forum on this issue does not open you to accusations of being communalist because that would be an idiotic piece of logic; I’m sure you can see now.

Some people are blind to this, perhaps because they are in some kind of sympathy with the rhetoric the Islamists cover their ideology with (all that persecution complex victimhood mongering), or are intimidated by them, or are worried about stigmatising Muslims. You should not worry about that. Anyone who cared for the communal health of South Asians in Universities in this country would have been writing letters and sounding the alarm about the Islamist right a decade ago, (although if they did they would probably have been slandered as being communalist for even raising the issue by some of the blind denial-ists), as well as paying heed to the Hindu Forum’s shenanigans now, because one has partly engendered the other. But the good thing is that it is not too late to do so.

I condemn them all without reservation – Hindu, Sikh and Muslim, with their wretched identity politics and paranoid agitations, their communalist bigotry, their vilification of other groups, their ideological atavism, these rats that breed off each other and poison the atmosphere on University campuses. Do you?

I am not sure you can see the wood for the trees.

If we are talking primary problems, we could go back 80 years or more. We could talk about anything and everything – but from your standpoint all of them could be a form of ‘denial’.

As for

“Unfortunately, there is something that makes them hold their tongue — something to do with ‘fighting the state’s oppression of Muslims’ by refusing to even countenance let alone criticise the deep roots of Islamist groups on University campuses for fear of ’stigmatising Muslims’”

Stigmatise away. Don’t let it stop you.

I have far greater faith in the general public than communalists.

Can you imagine how it looks to anyone who cares to spend a fleeting moment at the charge – that muslims (of whatever hue) could convert sikh or hindu girls by getting them drunk – when alcohol is forbidden in Islam, apart from the ludicrous thought that anyone could be forcibly converted.

To imagine that the top tier of the Met. police force would turn out in support of a Hindu Security Forum (with, it seems, links with the notorious RSS) is groundbreaking stuff. Only in Blair’s Britain.

You have an axe to grind – grind away. But for goodness sake, don’t leave yourself open to a charge of being a communalist.

Unfortunately, there is something that makes them hold their tongue — something to do with ‘fighting the state’s oppression of Muslims’ by refusing to even countenance let alone criticise the deep roots of Islamist groups on University campuses for fear of ‘stigmatising Muslims’

See, this is what happens when you go into denial about a primary problem — it festers and stinks and infects everyone else.