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    Pic of the day, from the EDL riot


    by Sunny
    11th October, 2010 at 9:45 am    


    From the EDL demo/riot in Leicester. Thanks to @SamTarry


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    1. sunny hundal

      Blogged: : Pic of the day, from the EDL riot http://bit.ly/bdxsS9


    2. Dez

      RT @sunny_hundal: Blogged: : Pic of the day, from the EDL riot http://bit.ly/bdxsS9


    3. Yakoub Islam

      Pic of the day, from the EDL riot - Pickled Politics: http://bit.ly/bdxsS9 RT @sunny_hundal


    4. Tej Singh Chaggar

      “@sunny_hundal: Blogged: : Pic of the day, from the EDL riot http://bit.ly/bdxsS9”


    5. Jamie Potter

      @dr_amyjaneb Interestingly, a photographer got that same incident on camera! http://bit.ly/bdxsS9




    1. damon — on 11th October, 2010 at 12:15 pm  

      This is the way that the police treat the EDL every time now it seems. Are you happy with them doing this?

      Maybe it’s the only way to deal with the large numbers who show up, but there’s something about it I don’t like.
      I remember getting this reception from the police going to football matches years ago. We weren’t all hooligans, but they treated everyone as if they were.

    2. boyo — on 11th October, 2010 at 1:18 pm  

      Yum. Fido luv TK Max.

    3. Bodmass — on 11th October, 2010 at 1:37 pm  

      Actually the moment was also caught on video here:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxdTEVzzr_s&feature=player_embedded#!

      He appears to be running past the Policeman and ran too close to the dog the cop just releases him quickly.

    4. meatpie — on 11th October, 2010 at 1:57 pm  

      Those who shop at TK Mak and peacocks cannot be part of the progressive future

    5. Sunny — on 11th October, 2010 at 1:59 pm  

      This is the way that the police treat the EDL every time now it seems. Are you happy with them doing this?

      Like the Churchill ad dog says: ‘Oh yes’

    6. Kamal — on 11th October, 2010 at 2:31 pm  

      Lol @sunny
      When I saw the picture I just thought of the phrase “it’s a dog eat dog world”

    7. damon — on 11th October, 2010 at 2:37 pm  

      Having seen a few videos of the Leicester demo now, I might agree that a heavy hand has to be taken with all of the EDL when they show up in large numbers.
      Though we don’t like it when the same tactics are used against G20 protesters and (then) people bang on about police brutality. Ian Tomlinson etc.

      I wonder what the reaction should be if a dozen EDL people were standing in a town centre handing out leaflets just like any other Saturday morning Socialist Workers Party paper sale.
      Should we harangue them and create a situation where confrontation becomes likely?
      Get on the phone to your mates and call them over to the location?
      If people are happy with that (and it is fair enough if you’re into ”confronting the Nazis”) then we should just say so.
      I don’t mind if that does happen as they are obviously bad news any way you look at it. But I just like people to be clear.
      Maybe we should support Geert Wilders’ prosecution too and not pretend we care about free speech.

    8. Bored in Kavanagasau — on 11th October, 2010 at 3:03 pm  

      The amount of dog action should be proportionate with the individual’s crime. If a member of a racist organisation on a protest deserves a bite of his clothes from an Alsatian then Mutilate-his-balls, the ex-president of an Islamic supremacist organisation who attempted a mass lynching of transatlantic passengers, deserves to have what remains of his dick torn off by Scrappy Doo.

    9. Scooby — on 11th October, 2010 at 5:18 pm  

      Conflict, encapsulated.

    10. barry — on 11th October, 2010 at 7:09 pm  

      “not pretend we care about free speech.”

      I don’t get this free speech argument applying to the EDL. Free speech doesn’t give you the right to go and intimidate people from ethnic backgrounds, it doesn’t give you the right to go and beat someone up because of the colour of their skin, and it doesn’t give you the right to rampage through town centres smashing shops and causing destruction.

      This is what happens when the EDL hold a ‘demonstration’. They’re not interested in speeches: they’re there to for a ruck and to cause mayhem. When you let racist groups like the EDL have town centres, you allow them a free run on anyone who isn’t white in the area. It has nothing to do with free speech.

    11. Delany — on 11th October, 2010 at 7:57 pm  

      @ Barry

      The headline “EDL riot” is not true and neither is your lurid description. The violence is certainly two way and with the UAF often being first and more furious. The police at the Bolton demo firmly laid the blame for the worst violence so far at the door of the UAF and its leader and a few dozen others were arrested.

      And so here at Leicester it is just as true, with just these two snippets proving it:

      “Riot police were deployed after objects were thrown ahead of the main EDL rally, while trouble, including coaches being stoned, was reported as the rival events dispersed.”

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-11510138

      “Gangs were seen throwing stones and bricks at two coaches carrying EDL supporters as they left the city.”

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-11505724

      If you don’t support free speech and free demonstration, fine. But just call it as it is.

    12. earwicga — on 11th October, 2010 at 8:41 pm  

      And the EDL cretins were throwing petals at the police were they?

    13. Delany — on 11th October, 2010 at 10:17 pm  

      I didnt say that at all, did I? I said it was two way violence.

      The UAF cretins often start it first, as do local groups of youths, and if you read what the former report says, this appears to be the case here.

      I didnt say that EDL supporters did nothing at all. I said the headline here was wrong and so is Barry’s lurid picture.

      You dont like these people, but then that is what free speech is all about. Not liking what people have to say but defending thier right to say it anyway.

      Its no good claiming all sorts of crap that isnt true simply to say that the EDL have no rights.

    14. earwicga — on 11th October, 2010 at 10:26 pm  

      I’m in complete agreement with Barry @10.

    15. Dalbir — on 11th October, 2010 at 10:31 pm  

    16. Sunny — on 11th October, 2010 at 10:58 pm  

      I wonder what the reaction should be if a dozen EDL people were standing in a town centre handing out leaflets just like any other Saturday morning Socialist Workers Party paper sale.

      Please - go ahead and persuade them. The BNP have now taken to having stalls in town squares. I don’t see riots kicking off then.

      Stop playing the victim card damon, it’s tedious.

    17. Kamal — on 11th October, 2010 at 11:42 pm  

      Damon IS tedious

    18. damon — on 12th October, 2010 at 12:11 am  

      Stop playing the victim card damon, it’s tedious.

      What that means I have no idea.
      I was looking to clarify what position people who don’t like the EDL should take towards them.
      To support government bans and police heavy-handedness?
      I think you support this Sunny because what of what you said in post 5. And that’s fine. They do have to be controlled some way or other.

      Obviously there’s a problem on sites like Pickled Politics, where some dullard will call you a ‘bigot’ for just trying to clarify a thing like this.
      If people think the EDL need to be repressed I would probably go along with that, as I have said I don’t really have any better ideas.
      And that means targeting it’s leadership, and harrasing them at their homes, confiscating their computors and raiding their parent’s homes … which is the claim that an EDL speaker at Leicester said had happened to him.
      I don’t have a problem with this if it’s necessary. I support the police in Northern Ireland harassing people they suspect of being behind acts of terrorism - even if they can’t come up with enough evidence to press charges against them.
      But then when they do arrest them and hold them for long periods on remand, I’m not one of these people who then go bleating about it and talking about their human rights. It’s a means to an end, and it disrupts terrorist networks.

      That’s why I couldn’t really care less about Guantanamo btw. It’s so few prisoners now and most of them are probably dangerous. But saying something like that on PP gets *knee jerk liberals* spluttering into their cornflakes.
      To me, repressing the EDL and repressing potential terrorists are kind of the same thing. Probably necessary. I don’t think that’s me playing any victim card.

      By *knee jerk liberals* I mean the wrong type of liberals. (The annoying kind IMO).

    19. barry — on 12th October, 2010 at 12:30 am  

      “You dont like these people, but then that is what free speech is all about. Not liking what people have to say but defending thier right to say it anyway.”

      Look, go back and read what was said. It has nothing to do with free speech and everything to do with safety and the freedom not be attacked in your city because of your skin colour.

      “Its no good claiming all sorts of crap that isnt true simply to say that the EDL have no rights.”

      Which is why I don’t claim things that aren’t true. And they have the same rights as everyone else - but noone has the right to assault others, so why defend their right to do so.

    20. Kamal — on 12th October, 2010 at 12:45 am  

      Except damon you defend the EDL and the BNP -you don’t defend the Gitmo hostages (who haven’t been found guilty of anything)

    21. Delany — on 12th October, 2010 at 1:41 am  

      @ barry

      Thing is, all you have done is say things. You haven’t proved anything or qualified your words whereas I went some way to proving my point.

      I understand you don’t like them or agree with them, but if that is your only point then you have no point.

      We can all point to one group and say they have no right to speak and paint lurid pictures. The UAF have demonstrably committed much violence at these demos and stand accused of fermenting it at Bolton. What say you on this?

      @ Sunny

      One recent example of the complete opposite to the picture you paint is of a BNP stall manned peacefully by around 6 in Glasgow that was surrounded by a ‘flash mob’ of up to 200 communists.

      In their own words and mightily ironic word they are:

      “Anti-fascists from across the city quickly mobilised, and by 1.30 there was a small gathering around the stall, preventing the BNP from engaging with the public. Ten minutes later, a larger group of anti-fascist arrived. Within seconds, the stall was smashed up and the BNP material was scattered and destroyed…

      … the BNP were driven away in a police van for their own safety.”

      http://ssy.org.uk/2010/09/bnp-sdl-chased-out-of-glasgow/

      Notice the shots of the stolen property they display with covered faces.

      Is this democracy? Is this right?

    22. damon — on 12th October, 2010 at 1:52 am  

      Hey dullard Kemal, how is my agreeing that police repression of the EDL is probably necessary ‘defending’ them?

    23. BenSix — on 12th October, 2010 at 1:56 am  

      Er, no, sorry. Unless they’re committing crimes[*] I don’t support state violence. However thick its victims are.

      [*] Heck, even this is depends on my not becoming a mutualist.

    24. Sunny — on 12th October, 2010 at 5:27 am  

      I was looking to clarify what position people who don’t like the EDL should take towards them.
      To support government bans and police heavy-handedness?

      No - I don’t support government bans neither do I support police heavy-handedness when it’s not warranted. If people are acting violently, as the EDL were, then yes I expect the police to try and maintain order. I hope that clarifies.

      I don’t want a specific policy against the EDL.

    25. Shamit — on 12th October, 2010 at 9:25 am  

      I am with Barry and Earwigca on this.

      Freedom of speech for one should not come at the expense of someone else’s freedom to live with dignity and live without fear and intimidation.

      The only way to really challenge EDL is to focus on economic growth and jobs. When there is no job in vast parts of Northern England, though dispeakable, the attraction for EDL grows.

      Like many, I believe the economy is going to get a bit tougher especially in those parts of England -that are heavingly dependent on public sector jobs - that means EDL/BNP would get more leverage from disgruntled youths especially.

      The question is how do you address that? It’s one thing for our leaders to talk about opportunities and work for all etc etc - but in reality how do you deliver that?

      The US is going through an economic recovery but jobless numbers are remaining stagnant - same thing could happen here especially as growth is often delivered through London and a radius of 100 - 150 miles. Tackling BNP, EDL should be a priority - we need a narrative for that across the political divide

    26. Shamit — on 12th October, 2010 at 9:29 am  

      Sunny -

      Although off the point.

      I just read the Independent article mate - excellent point about Marr. Well done.

    27. Jai — on 12th October, 2010 at 11:12 am  

      Ah yes, Leicester. That “hotbed of Islamist extremism”……where the majority of the South Asian population are actually Gujarati Hindus, where there are currently celebrations underway to mark the Hindu festival of Navratri, where the annual Diwali lights have become famous across the country, and which is accurately twinned with the banally suburban city of Rajkot in Gujarat, India.

      I expect a large-scale “anti-Islam” EDL demonstration outside the Hare Krishna temple in Watford is next. And yes, I am being sarcastic.

    28. damon — on 12th October, 2010 at 12:21 pm  

      But the tactics used against the EDL already are repressive. They are the tactics used against the G20 protesters in the City of London last year.
      They include treating everyone who turns up in the city as potential criminals. To be photographed hours before anything has even happened, and to hold people against their will, even though the demonstration might yet be hours away.
      So people coming off the train, even hours before, are screened by a load of waiting police, and anyone suspected of coming to the city for either pro or anti-EDL reasons can just be held at the station - put on buses against their will and taken to a holding area where they are kettled.
      So even if you had gone to a place like Leicester to oppose the EDL, and had plans to meet up with some people and have a look around the city in the morning, you might just find yourself being taken on a bus to a holding area and not allowed to meet up with who you wanted.

      I’m not sure Sunny if you mean you support this ”repression” or not. I think I have to say I would support it, even though it is undemocratic.
      Even if people had come to the city to just make a peaceful protest about some issue, because there are deemed to be hooligans intent on trouble also expected, then ”Sorry” says the riot policeman, ”you have to stay here in this park area for the next three hours, and no you can’t go over the road to get something to eat at Burger King.”
      And anyone who says ”screw this” and tries to leave - will be assaulted by riot police with dogs.

      That’s the repression I’m talking about. The G20 protesters in London hated it - but there were hooligans amongst them … so I guess the police were justified in kettling the whole thing.
      And maybe any smaller EDL gatherings that might just occur in a town witout notice one saturday, should also be given the police third degree treatment, because even if they were being quite peaceful and just handing out leaflets - they could constitute a threat to public order - because other people might react to their presence.
      I think this is where the ”tedious” accusation is directed at. Was I tedious just there??

    29. earwicga — on 12th October, 2010 at 12:25 pm  

      no you can’t go over the road to get something to eat at Burger King.

      Something every right minded person would be grateful for.

    30. Dalbir — on 12th October, 2010 at 4:39 pm  

      I’ve heard there was an attempted arson attack on a Gurdwara in Oadby, Leicester last night involving a petrol bomb.

    31. Kamal — on 12th October, 2010 at 9:24 pm  

      Actually I quite like damon. He was excellent as the anti-Christ in all 3 “Omen” films.

    32. Kamal — on 12th October, 2010 at 10:36 pm  

      Jai the ironic thing is most Hindu temples in the Uk ARE run by extremists from the BJP/VHP/RSS so the EDL would have a point demonstrating outside them.

    33. Peter — on 13th October, 2010 at 2:30 pm  

      damon @7
      “Having seen a few videos of the Leicester demo now, I might agree that a heavy hand has to be taken with all of the EDL when they show up in large numbers”

      damon@28
      “But the tactics used against the EDL already are repressive.”

      The lights are on. But no one’s home.

    34. Jai — on 13th October, 2010 at 5:37 pm  

      As a general note, can I request PP readers not to respond further to any posts on this thread or any others by “Kamal” aka Munir, as he was permanently banned from this website by PP’s entire editorial team last year.

      Munir persists in illegally attempting to comment on PP under various aliases, and will no doubt resurface elsewhere on PP under a “new” name, but he is easy to identify; readers are therefore advised not to reply to any of his comments, which may be summarily deleted as per the respective PP writers’ editorial privileges for their own threads.

    35. Asim — on 6th November, 2010 at 1:26 pm  

      I wish the EDL would go away. :(

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