Comments on: Dealing with riots and rape in Birmingham

By: Ash

Ash — Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:29:30 +0000

thank’s for offering me a copy, send it to:

thank’s Vicky.

By: vicky

vicky — Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:05:33 +0000

Thanks guys!

Ash I wont twist anything that has been said on here I am not that kind of person….I just think it would give a different angle to my essay which I’m hoping to do quite well in. Planning is an extremely diverse subject which can cover many areas but for this essay I’m going to look at social exclusion in the community and how from a planning perspective it could be improved and using issues from my home town makes it more relevant to me! If you I could mail you a copy of it if you like once I have completed it! Just for a bit of light reading

Cheers Sunny! All I need now….is a lot of luck and hope I can get it completed on time

Vicky

By: Sunny

Sunny — Tue, 06 Dec 2005 22:23:30 +0000

Sure Vicky, go for it.

By: Ash

Ash — Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:43:25 +0000

also, if u quoting from my comment’s make sure u correct any spelling mistakes before hand…

By: Ash

Ash — Tue, 06 Dec 2005 20:40:19 +0000

vicky, like u said, there’s no copyright, so quote away, but don’t be twisting anything by adding your own theories on what the quotes are actually saying, because there’s too much bullsh~t being spread about what actually happened by people who know nothing as they weren’t there when it happened, so take this into account when selecting your quotes, good luck with your essay.

If u don’t mind me asking, what argument are u trying to back up?

By: vicky

vicky — Mon, 05 Dec 2005 17:01:57 +0000

Hi everyone,

I’ve just been reading all of your comments and would like to ask rather a favour than a question. So here it goes…

I am from Birmingham but I am studying at the University of Sheffield for a degree in Town Planning. Obviously I am concerned with problems that happen in my city and I am doing a module called “Community Planning”. For part of this module I have to produce an essay relating issues of community to policies in government.

The favour I want to ask is would any of you mind if I ‘quoted’ some of your comments made on this board as it is a situation which people need to be made aware of. Although I see no-where that your comments are copyright, I thought it only polite to ask if anyone had any objections to me doing this. I hope however, that there wont be because some good, valid and interesting points have been raised which I think would back up the majority of my argument in this essay.

Thanks, Vicky

By: Ash

Ash — Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:54:11 +0000

ain’t gonna happen until black people sort the mess they’re communities are in, and work on bettering themselves instead of sitting back and watching other communities do exactly that and then becoming jeleous of they’re success, were both from the same area, and we both know that black people around us have got money, drug gangs especially, but they don’t do anything constructive with it, it’s blown on cars, motor bikes, clubs etc, and then complain about poverty, having money doesn’t make you rich, knowing what to do with it does, also a lot of black people don’t trust one another, they’re stuck in a cycle and have given up, so how do they go forward?

By: Sunita

Sunita — Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:17:58 +0000

i saw first hand wat happened during the riots, black lads were attacking anything that was owned by asians or whites. believe it or not we only want peace, like the way way it was before all this.

By: susano

susano — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:15:44 +0000

In Los Angeles, during the “Rodney King” riots, blacks burned hundreds of Asian establishments (mainly Korean). There is huge resentment over Asian immigrants making money off of poor black people.

By: susano

susano — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:02:21 +0000

“and can someone please explain what â€œgreyâ€ is? ”

*raises hand*

Nora, I can! I think this might not be the place for it, though. Meet me on the UFO boards, LOL!

By: Sunny

Sunny — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:49:49 +0000

Hmm.. interesting comments Ash. Will keep them in mind for referencing this in the future.

By: Ash

Ash — Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:58:27 +0000

Firstly, no disrespect to nobody posting here, but the way the asian gang (not gangs) involved in the riots are being portrayed by you guys is misleading to readers, it leads people to believe that the criminals from both pakistani and afro carribean (not african british) communities planned the riot. Take this from someone who was there when it was happening, this was not the case. The pakistani’s only grouped up after shops were attacked, the afro carribean lads were’nt only doing damage in lozells, they were standing on corners throwing bricks at passing traffic, they dragged an old man from his car and attacked
him whilst igniting the car, old men and they’re families were attacked at the doorstep of their homes with bricks and machetes. You guys don’t understand what was happening because you were’nt in the worst of it, your making judgments by what you’ve seen and heard on the news. I agree there were criminals amongst the asian gang but they were’nt there to protect drug territory, it was about protecting your community. It wasn’t about local gangs Vs each other, it was afro-carribeans (local and foriegn) grouping together to attack asians. It’s been said that the asian’s should have stayed inside and let it blow over, now picture this, riots in lozells, all local police are focused there, not one police officer in sight on any street 100 metres from main riot area, but there are afro-carribean youth on corners causing damage to property and people and no police around, also you see armed gangs of 20 or more walking around to find victims, it wont be long until they do, and cars speeding around with gunmen inside, are you supposed to allow that to happen, what would that mean to those guy’s, that they can do what they like and asian’s would sit back and take it, you have to understand that during such times everything
is political, those asians who believe that the pakistani’s did wrong by reacting need to think how they would manage walking around with their eyes to the floor everytime they see an afro-carribean youth (because of the confidence they have gained), would you feel safe? What if you walked pass an older afro-carribean, what would he think of your community (Indian/Pakistani/Bangladeshi = asian), well what would you think of a community which stays in doors while they’re fathers/brothers/sisters are being attacked whilst at work or on their way home. What our boys did was give the “ASIAN” community some respect (whether the afro community admit it or not) and also provided a deterrent to those who may wish to kick off again. Remember there were foreign afro’s involved and if no one did anything it would have encouraged many more to come, when would the violence against asians have ended, think about your kids and compare what their futurewould have been like, with the way things were 10/15 years ago when the violence was one way, from afro’s towards asians, remember the mugging/beatings, bricks through you windows. Things are totally different now and if we all ‘stay inside’ were gonna start going backwards. Murdering innocents is evil and if those that died were then those responsible are wrong but understand that during that weekend asians were defending themselves and they’re communities against agressors armed with guns and knives, think about it, how can one over react when dealing with gun wielding individuals who are cowardly enough to use them over the slightest thing. They choose to ‘live by the gun’, so have to be dealt with ‘by the gun’.
It can be understood that lawful people loath drug dealers/criminals, which exist in all communities, but we all live in an less than perfect world and believe me when criminally minded individuals from other communities choose to attack you because the colour of you skin, you’ll be relieved to know that they’re are also criminally minded people within your community which will counter attack, and its the same qualities which make them criminals that allow them to deal with our attackers.
So love em or hate em, don’t shift the blame, because whether you choose to admit we need people like that as not every racist piece of scum out there believes in peaceful protest.

And why is everybody making out like the pakistani’s caused much trouble, hundreds of them were held back by police. They didn’t damage black businesses or beat up old men, they wanted to get at those causing the trouble, if there weren’t no police not many of them afro’s would have gone home that night, because our lads ain’t stopping until everyone of them involved is finished or gone.

RESHMA : By no means are asians innocent when it comes to racism, but the riots were the product of a group of afro’s who don’t represent the black community, hijacking a cause to attack asian people, the response was between pakistani lads and those afro’s involved and not the black community.

We need to rebuld the sections of the bridges that have been damaged and make them stronger so this never happens again.

PEACE……

By: reshma

reshma — Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:40:06 +0000

hey guys i was just reading your comments and i just wanted to say why dont the asian community sort the differences between themselves first.i remember being put down by asians because i was dark.as for the riots pllez dont tell me asians are innocent.thts bollox.they are as racist as the africans.how lame is it to say women judge based on emotions.not every woman is like that.there again dont asian men think they are better than women.

By: NorahJones

NorahJones — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:32:22 +0000

Has anybody actually seen the Ligali forums and seen the way they discuss Asians, Whites, in fact any other group of people bar Africans? Its vile.

Tara:

“Hiya,

Just a quick point of information:
The correct term when referring to people of African origin in the UK is African-Caribbean or African British – as one would refer to people of Asian origin in the UK as Asians or British Asian.
The term â€œBlacksâ€ is offensive when not used with terms such as â€œBrownsâ€ or â€œWhitesâ€.

Thank you.”

Well can anyone tell me why on Ligali they refer to White people as “blue”, asians as brown and can someone please explain what “grey” is?

By: funkg

funkg — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:30:32 +0000

i hope you that was tongue in cheek if then how about ‘the new black’ besides your name sounds indian/hindu to me corect me if i am wrong.
anyway whatâ€™s the point of me lying about this bahdresh? Do I have to somehow prove to you some of the work I do with british Bangladeshi youths in TH? The prison visits, probation etc? you only have to read our local papers, or read last weeks guardian for some of my points to be verified. for instance ‘statistics’ recently showed that the gcse exams results in tower hamlets had risen, great! but look closer and you will find that those ‘increases’ were due to students taking gnvq exams, far easier to do with less cachet to the average employer or educational establishment.

By: Bahdresh

Bahdresh — Tue, 01 Nov 2005 10:11:09 +0000

I dont believe you. You’re deliberatley trying to paint us black.

By: funkg

funkg — Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:13:44 +0000

Greetings Bahdresh,
Believe me brother it is that bad in the east end, but there are always exceptions especially with the success of girls.
i grew up in the east end of london when it was predominately still white with a small but growing Asian community and of course smaller black communities. the east end schools (stepney green, george greene, langdon park) always had poor exam results, they still do. it sickens me when i see so many young british bengali lads leave school with no gcse’s. many go on to work in family restaurants. and you know what? when they finally decide to move into different types of employment do â€˜whiteâ€™ employers recognise their restaurant experience? Hell no! I know this from experience as I work in recruitment. in some of our schools they can be up to 90% Bengali and whilst this is no bad thing at all, mix this in with social deprivation, lack of opportunities, and the drugs and gang problems we have, this can prove to be a toxic mix.

By: Black boy

Black boy — Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:02:14 +0000

whose interest does it serve to foster antaganism amongst communities?

It’s either George Bush, Nick Griffin or Voldemort lol
Nah..I think we should take responsibility for it.

By: Bahdresh

Bahdresh — Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:43:36 +0000

But pakistani and Bengali boys are not doing that bad you know!! They are actually doing better now

By: funkg

funkg — Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:41:53 +0000

hey i just thought of somthing!
no one has spoken about this yet, but is’nt Islam one of the worlds fastest growing faiths? certainly plenty of african/carribean people are deciding to re-convert from christianity in the UK. whose interest does it serve to foster antaganism amongst communities?